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2012 NBA Offseason |OT|They said I could become anything so I became multiple sources

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SamuraiX-

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DY_nasty said:
Jimmer can't do his thing when Reke, Salmons, Thornton, and Cousins share visitations rights on the ball
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He had plenty of opportunities throughout the season to prove himself with the ball in his hands and failed miserably. Even when he gets the shots he wants he remains inconsistent as hell.

I'll hold my judgment for now, but I don't see Lillard adjusting well, especially if his offensive game doesn't translate and considering that he still hasn't shown any potential of being a facilitator even after 4 years in the college game.

ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
To be fair, scoring PGs generally have been on more contenders than pass-first PGs.
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You could argue that, but a lot of those same PGs were more than capable defensively as well.
 
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Byakuya769

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giri said:
If he didn't want to play for teams that he came up against a lot during the suns best years, in the play offs and regular season rivalries of that era it would only exclude

Lakers
Mavs
Spurs

I don't think there were any true rivalries with Houston, Utah, Denver or Portland.

It really doesn't limit him that much.

What limits him more is that he wants to be a part of the team, and not the 10th man.
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I know, but what I was responding to was trying to create a contrast between Nash and LeBron/Wade... Which doesn't make sense because they didn't opt to join the celtics or Orlando.
 
Blackace

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if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
DCX said:
He is. He liked NY. He chose NY. He aint gonna play for 2.5 though, so he will get a raise. He played well. YNB like at times, but he actually played decent on D and when he was on, it was a thing to see.

DCX
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YNB plays d far better than JR ever thought about playing.. JR has his value but let's not make him into something he aint
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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Blackace said:
This is an interesting debate..

First what would be considered a contender?
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Team in Conference Finals.

Also, YNB plays OK on ball defense, but his defensive awareness of where screens and shooters are is so bad that's he's one of the worst defending PGs in the NBA I think.

Of course, he's a much much better player than JR is.
 
Blackace

Blackace

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Team in Conference Finals.

Also, YNB plays OK on ball defense, but his defensive awareness of where screens and shooters are is so bad that's he's one of the worst defending PGs in the NBA I think.

Of course, he's a much much better player than JR is.
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in half court sets YNB plays well on D.. he was exposed by the spurs a bit.. worst? not even close..
 
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giri

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Blackace said:
This is an interesting debate..

First what would be considered a contender?
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Is it that interesting? a lot of times if you have a score first PG, they're not the best player on the team, and the offense runs through someone else a lot.

For e.g. when the spurs were in their prime, it ran through TD and Ginobli more than TP.

What was the last chip team with a score first PG who was the best or second best player?
 
Blackace

Blackace

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giri said:
Is it that interesting? a lot of times if you have a score first PG, they're not the best player on the team, and the offense runs through someone else a lot.

For e.g. when the spurs were in their prime, it ran through TD and Ginobli more than TP.

What was the last chip team with a score first PG who was the best or second best player?
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2007 Spurs

I understand what you are saying.. and the Lakers/Bulls teams are super prime examples of that
 
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giri

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Blackace said:
2007 Spurs

I understand what you are saying.. and the Lakers/Bulls teams are super prime examples of that
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TP was firmly established as a star then, but to say he was the second best player ... eh, i'd still have put ginobli at that spot.

And thats not to discount what TP did in the finals. He was ballin.
 
Blackace

Blackace

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giri said:
TP was firmly established as a star then, but to say he was the second best player ... eh, i'd still have put ginobli at that spot.

And thats not to discount what TP did in the finals. He was ballin.
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I would have to say that the Offense ran through TP at that point..
 
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Canuck76

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SamuraiX- said:
He had plenty of opportunities throughout the season to prove himself with the ball in his hands and failed miserably. Even when he gets the shots he wants he remains inconsistent as hell.

I'll hold my judgment for now, but I don't see Lillard adjusting well, especially if his offensive game doesn't translate and considering that he still hasn't shown any potential of being a facilitator even after 4 years in the college game.



You could argue that, but a lot of those same PGs were more than capable defensively as well.
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Apparently two starters were out his junior season, so he was forced to score much more.

And what, five assists per game? That's not terrible for a scoring pg is it? How many assists did Rose have in Memphis?
 
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CherryWoodFuton

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reilo said:
Under which illegal means will the Heat sign those two players?
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Riley will make offer they can't refuse

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darkside31337

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Really smart move by Minnesota and that'd be damn cool to see. Either he has some mileage left in that body and Minnesota can build something special or he's done and they continue to suck. Totally worth the risk and definitely a lot better than overpaying Jamal Crawford or whoever else they're looking at.
 
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giri

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darkside31337 said:
Really smart move by Minnesota and that'd be damn cool to see. Either he has some mileage left in that body and Minnesota can build something special or he's done and they continue to suck. Totally worth the risk and definitely a lot better than overpaying Jamal Crawford or whoever else they're looking at.
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Except that excluding roys health, if they're healthy, they're not going to suck at all.
 
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Kevtones

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Hmmm, I heard Drummond had been dropping.


Guess I'm crazy but I'm still on the Sullinger-train. Don't think his Portland workout went that well though.


I like Ross if only for being a hometown guy. Wasn't crazy about him while at UW.
 
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