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2012 NBA Offseason |OT2| Lakers Fans Despise Freedom.
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NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I'm really laughing at anyone who thinks that Lin contract is anywhere near a good deal for anyone.
Future PhaZe
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Lins worth keeping for a team that's going to be in the luxury anyway but they might as well let him go because his teammates are salty as hell and won't let him play the way he should. Never seen anything like Melo and JR have done in my years of watching the league. Outright saying your teammate doesn't deserve his contract.
Hope the Knicks are in the lottery next year with such cancerous players on their teams.
Hope the Knicks are in the lottery next year with such cancerous players on their teams.
Boombloxer
Member
Yes, this was shit.
Kinda strange to see this passive/aggressive shit. Maybe there's something else.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Funniest part of Kidd being a fucking idiot is the fact that they had to send out Cablevision trucks to fix the damage he did to the pole. I'd imagine Dolan already sent him the bill.
Well I hope it works out for him. When you get paid big money you become a target of the media, unhappy fans and most importantly, other players who feel you don't deserve it. He will get everyone's best every night and he better be ready.
Future PhaZe
Member
Its sad though because I think Lin with the ball in his hands with Amare as the main screener had a lot of potential. You get Amare playing the way he's used to playing and Lin gets to penetrate and create. Let Melo fine his own way. Maybe play more off the ball with Chandler setting some off the ball screens to free him up.
Instead we saw Lin using Chandler the main screen setter and Amare was completely lost as a result. Ball never left Melos hand when he got it. Woodson isn't a good coach.
Instead we saw Lin using Chandler the main screen setter and Amare was completely lost as a result. Ball never left Melos hand when he got it. Woodson isn't a good coach.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
But he's not resigning with the Knicks.
It doesn't matter where he re-signs. All the Feltons and Sessions of the world will be circling the date to bust his ass cos they feel they are underpaid relative to him even though they have longer track records.
Last year, most of his peers were rooting for him but jealousy and resentment will change that this year
Syphon Filter
Member
failton is fat now compared to before. lin might not be that great but he can pass a lot better.the worst part is that the backup pg are all old.
Felton is fat but I still think he's better than Lin. Maybe I'm crazy but being on bad teams and a having a bad year isn't enough to make me rate Lin better based on 25 games. Let's see how he does this year with a target on his back
You should read the book first.
You realize when Yao was here they got Asian exposure like crazy right? TRACY MCGRADY had the number one selling jersey over there like 3 years in a row. A number of dudes got shoe deals over there because of Yao. And those same businesses will come back if Lin gets here..there's already an established connection. He is going to make off the court money regardless of where he goes, and the Rockets would get more coverage than before because of what I just mentioned...
This is what I was saying yesterday...to say publicly that a teammate doesn't deserve the money he's being offered is outta there..even if it's true you shouldn't say that to the media. whatever tho
Oh I get this from the Rockets point of view. It's some excitement after a summer of fail and it's even better if he actually keeps up the great play.
I don't get it from Lin's point of view unless he really wanted to leave NY. He is taking on a lot of pressure in a worse situation over money he can easily make off the court.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
What were the guys guarding Lin doing last season? Are you saying they were trying to get embarrassed by some no-name undrafted Asian d-leaguer who got cut by basically every team in the league?
I used to be a Lin hater but I've given up on doubting the kid. He basically spent his first entire season making everybody doubting him look like an utter fool, I don't think thats going to change any time soon.
....Plse watch and give your honest opinion.
But why not get more money ON the court + that money off the court? That's where he's at right now. Maybe he fells like he can't shine like he wants to with those cancers up there in NY I dunno
Ball will be in his hands more if he's down here with should be D-leaguers
CharlieDigital
Banned
I'm not a fan of Lin or the Knicks (Nets, baby -- I survived 12-70!), but this whole Lin saga has been pretty fascinating -- especially this latest turn.
I do kind of wonder if Lin were black, the sentiment out of the locker room would be different.
I also wonder if there are more than a few guys in the locker room who would rather have Lin than Carmelo.
I'm not even a hater. I like the guy and will root for him wherever. I just see some obvious flaws in his game that will be exploited easily with no stars and a lack of shooters in Houston. I've never seen a starting NBA PG with as weak an off hand as he has. I feel he'd be better as a backup SG or combo guard than the #1 PG
CharlieDigital
Banned
I see this criticism a lot, but don't you think that Lin knows what his weaknesses are at this point and don't you think he'll work on them in the offseason?
Given that he's stuck through with his NBA dreams, paid his dues in the D-League, and worked his way up to the NBA, I think he's the type of guy that will fill those holes in his game.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I'd imagine this has to be the case with some of the guys. They were there on the court when shit was rough and they were on the court when Lin saved that team and then they were there on that court when it all fell apart again.
And just ignoring Lin / Melo I would imagine most guys in the league would rather play with a guy who creates easy shots for everybody else instead of a guy who dominates the ball and takes 20 plus shots on his own every night.
The only color that matter here is green IMO. JR is salty as hell because he's a better player but can't get a comparable deal because he's not as marketable. Sucks for him but no one asked him to be a tatted-up knucklehead lol
Fact is, the contract IS ridiculous for someone who's started under 30 games. Even more so under this new CBA
Thing is, Lin also dominates the ball and shoots way too much for a PG IMO. That's part of the reason his game kind of regressed when Melo and Amare came back. He needs the ball just as much
iamshadowlark
Banned
Unfortunately, you don't develop your off hand at 23. Those are things you learn as a kid
CharlieDigital
Banned
Contract is ridiculous if you only look at year 3. But it really works out to 8mil/yr. which is still high, but not terribly so given that the NBA is still a business first and foremost and Lin is a valuable employee in terms of the revenue that he can generate if he's successful.
If you look at basketball only as basketball and the stats, those dollar figures make no sense. But if you put on your businessman goggles for a moment, it's probably a steal to pay 8mil/yr. if Lin is even remotely productive.
Barack Lesnar
Banned
Nice Kobe interview, talks about retirement and other things. Don't care if already posted:
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/playe...976394#news/Graham_Bensinger_InDepth/29976394
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/playe...976394#news/Graham_Bensinger_InDepth/29976394
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I think Lin's deal is actually a victory for everybody involved when it comes to the CBA. The NBPA fought hard to allow poison pill deals and for Bird rights for guys in scenarios like Lin. The owners who don't spend recklessly are happy because it makes it easier for them to get RFAs and benefits them for not being crazy and the players are happy because if they really want out of the town they're in now it's a lot easier to do so in certain scenarios.
CharlieDigital
Banned
Hard to say. Guys like David Robinson and Tim Duncan -- two high skill guys -- didn't even pick up basketball competitively until they were fairly old (in competitive basketball context).
Obviously, hard to compare those positions (but Duncan and Robinson are just two that come to my mind right now as successful, high skill guys that picked up the game relatively late) and I'm not trying to compare them as players, but just saying that it's possible to develop as a skill player even fairly late by today's competitive basketball standards.
It's going to depend on the individual, their character, how motivated they are, how hard they work.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Thats not true.
Well if he can maintain his level of play during Linsanity, years 1 and 2 aren't so bad. I don't think he can though and certainly not on a weaker team in the Bestern Conference. What makes the contract really bad is that the Knicks would have to pay close to $50 mil overall because they are over the cap. Tough decision for them cos they will be blasted if he doesn't live up to it and blasted if he does but as a Rocket lol
MushroomSamba
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He hoisted up like 20 shots a night early on because the Knicks really didn't have many options. When Melo and company came back, it felt like he shot significantly less. I don't think that's an issue at all. If anything, he should have the ball in his hands more when they're all on the court...he can break down defenses and create for others.
Show me an NBA player who significantly improved his handles after that age. Better yet, show me a starting NBA PG who could barely operate on his weak side..
Good examples but as you note, PG is TOTALLY different. I certainly can't think of any PG who greatly improved his ball-handling at the pro level. Hopefully they can pair him with a SG who can handle the ball as well
iamshadowlark
Banned
Durant is 23 and his handles are significantly improved.
soundscream
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CharlieDigital
Banned
I can't speak specifically to ball-handling, but Steve Nash is a perfect example of a guy that changed and improved his game at the pro-level at the PG position.
LiveFromKyoto
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I know, right? He's a borderline starter, and nobody could figure out why he wasn't getting run on a terrible team. But that's the word from peeps in the know.
Post should sue.
I can't believe they actually made him look like Satan. I'm dying here.
Future PhaZe
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Having three point guards with varying skillsets would be huge for a team that's constructed the way that the Knicks are.
Losing a guy like Lin over 50 million...man that's like a drop in the water for a major NEW YORK sports franchise. Hell the Redskins paid Albert Haynesworth like 40 million to cause trouble for the franchise and collect bad press. Paying between 30-50 for Lin given the revenue he brings in and the potential gains on the court seems like a no brainer.
Nowhere near the class of Bron, Kobe and Wade who can run the offense for their teams and were doing so at his age
He is a 3rd string PG making less than half of what Lin will be making in year 1. Oh and he SUCKS
Nash was always a genius ball-handler though. Shooting, defense and stuff like that can be improved. I don't think your handles get better in your twenties.
CharlieDigital
Banned
So every other mechanical aspect of basketball skill can be improved in one's 20's through hard work, training, and mechanical repetition except for one's ability to dribble the ball?
OK.....
iamshadowlark
Banned
Thats just because KD doesn't no how to run a offense. If he ever bothered to learn he certainly could. KD has built one of the toughest crossovers in the game and can create space better than any of those guys you just named.
Well I'm just speaking from personal experiences and from watching NBA ball for 25 years. Everyone I know who couldn't use their off hand when we were kids can't do it now and I've never seen it in the pros. Maybe Lin is different. We'll see...
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