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2012 NBA Preseason |OT| The Rich Get Richer, The Poor Get Rasheed Wallace
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darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
Based on what? I don't think their roster is much better this year than it was last year. Fat Odom? Banking on Billups and Hill? I like both Crawford and Barnes but neither guy is putting them over the hump.
And they still got this guy.
Uhh, those guys, particularly in their younger days, did all of that.
Hey according to the Clippers commentating crew Blake is going to have a jumper like Dirk and Malone in a year and this year Jordan will make the jump to top 6 Center in the league.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
I say Lakers get their forst win by mid-late November.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
johnschuhmann
From '04 to '10, 15 teams LOST 1 or 0 preseason games. Only 1 of the 15 ('10-11 UTA) missed the playoffs.
You heard it here first - Toronto is playoff bound!
From '04 to '10, 15 teams LOST 1 or 0 preseason games. Only 1 of the 15 ('10-11 UTA) missed the playoffs.
You heard it here first - Toronto is playoff bound!
Kobe still hunts down the refs.
Cousins has so much that he can do on offense that he just goes and does whatever he wants at the time. It takes time to learn what moves to use in which situations. He obviously hasn't learned that yet. He's a #1 option though. He will never be as efficient in stats as others because of his style, but its still effective. He can throw the ball up knowing he can get his own miss.
Don't ask me to explain why the Kings keep gathering more chuckers. If Tyreke doesn't show anything more than what he's shown so far in pre-season then he's likely traded during the season. He'll want max money and he's not worth it at this point. Hopefully that trade can balance the roster out if it happens.
Cousins has so much that he can do on offense that he just goes and does whatever he wants at the time. It takes time to learn what moves to use in which situations. He obviously hasn't learned that yet. He's a #1 option though. He will never be as efficient in stats as others because of his style, but its still effective. He can throw the ball up knowing he can get his own miss.
Don't ask me to explain why the Kings keep gathering more chuckers. If Tyreke doesn't show anything more than what he's shown so far in pre-season then he's likely traded during the season. He'll want max money and he's not worth it at this point. Hopefully that trade can balance the roster out if it happens.
iamshadowlark
Banned
Based on what? I don't think their roster is much better this year than it was last year. Fat Odom? Banking on Billups and Hill? I like both Crawford and Barnes but neither guy is putting them over the hump.
And they still got this guy.
Based on their players actually getting better? Based on them playing together for more than a lockout season worth of time together? Who said anything about getting over the hump?
Adding players isn't the only way to get better.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
I could see it if Bargs and Valanciunas keep defending like they have in the preseason.
Dooling was right. Ray does like the media talk.
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8551446/ray-allen-plays-rift-boston-celtics
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8551446/ray-allen-plays-rift-boston-celtics
Dominican Power
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Does Tyreke even work on his jumpshot during the off season?
Bledsoe also got better.
I'm not sold on Jordons improvements.
BUt Blake seems to have worked on his jumper, which will add a lot of longevity to his career, and actually make him an option late in games.
They'll be better just on that stuff alone, probably.
Though they're still incredibly CP3 reliant.
bigboss370
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i say they win the opener if Kobe plays.
Black Mamba
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Well, I won't speak on Shaq much cuz in 1992 I didn't even have cable and only saw him on Sundays.
Kobe, on the other hand, you're wrong. He never did all those things at once, especially the fouling.
Kobe is often better when mad. He never wore his emotions on his sleeve like Cousins, though. Cousins huffs and puffs, puts on that whiney "WHY ME" face, etc. Kobe also didn't start going after the refs til much later.
Kobe, at times, played undisciplined (now at times it's just selfish). Cousins plays reckless. A lot. That can be fixed with the right coach, perhaps, but his emotions just kill him. Every time I see him think he gets slighted, he goes on this fouling/turnover binge for like 5 minutes.
Regarding Cousins being a #1 option. I'll agree with IWMTB19. Until you aren't one of the least efficient players in the league, I won't call you that. efg% below 50% for a center? Come on.
Forceatowulf
G***n S**n*bi
iamshadowlark
Banned
I know its a little much to ask class of Boston sports fans and players but they should really take after Danny.
Danny Ainge said:
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
lol
Cousins just hasn't gotten the pass Kobe and Shaq got
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Shaq lowered his shoulder alot when mad
Kobe throws hissy fits and throws up shots that would make Baron Davis blush when mad
#purpletintedgoggles
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Cousins hasn't gotten a pass like those guys did because he's way less talented than them. A lot of personality problems get blown up when your team consistently loses via having the worst defense in the league and when you shoot 44% from the field as a big man.
Black Mamba
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20 year old Kobe didn't do that...and again, I said Cousins does ALL those things at once. Kobe never did the fouling to go with awful drives for TOs and shots plus whining with a bitch-made face on.
As I said, I can't speak on Shaq too much and I doubt many of us could considering the time frame. But I don't recall all the other stuff except what you point out (which is something he did do even in LA at times when mad).
I've seen Cousins a lot now and I can't remember a single player I've seen act like he does on the court. Sheed may have had the theatrics, but Cousins is on another level when the ball is still live.
You don't have a mirror in your house?
You're right, the KoME monicker is entirely undeserving and entirely made up.
I don't disagree that he needs to get more efficient, or that he's a finished product yet. He's not a #1 option on a play off team this second, but i think he'll get there if given the opportunities in the right spots through out this season.
Conflict NZ
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Ebanks was the leading scorer in a game where he played the same amount of time as Dwight and less than Pau. Im not sure what to make of this.
cousins is a motherfucking baby. (i still like him despite this cause its funny)
and he's not a generational talent. of course he's not gettin a pass.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Matters little why Kobe is allowed to get away with techs every other play
Just that his mad isn't much "better" than someone else's
Black Mamba
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KoMe isn't usually because of emotion. It is also something that developed after his first few seasons in the league. Then again, he came off the bench for 2 seasons...
Cousins to me is at max a #2 option. If everything works out, he'd be Pau Gasol. As a #1 he might lead a team to the playoffs and decent record, but he can't win a title as the #1.
I say this as someone who liked Cousins coming out of the draft (though Kings got a steal) and have been disappointed with him thus far.
On the court is what matters. Please, find me Kobe in his first few seasons having near-emotional breakdowns the way Cousins does. I never argued Kobe doesn't have an ego. Maybe to you emotional is different.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Ok? So?
Kobe acts just as much an ass
Wade too
Don't act like they get magical powers from it they just get away with more
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
As Kobe can tell you from CO that's not true
i never said they didnt act like asses. cousins just isnt good enough to get away with it. he might be one day.
Even if he were only talking offensively, Carmelo is a more dominant PF.
Batum and Wesley have actually been looking improved.
Lillard looks pretty good to terrible.
Meyers needs a lot of time.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
This is going to be pretty big year for Cousins in general though. If he becomes a defensive presence, the Kings are going to be alright. If he doesn't, this is one of the worst put together rosters ever and everyone involved in the organization could implode.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Yeah I know that
Yeah, this has to be a really huge year for him. He can either take a giant step forward, or a giant step sideways to Bynum territory.
Black Mamba
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YEAH SHAQ NEVER DID ANYTHING PISSY OR FOUGHT OR ANYTHING NO WAY
A. That's not young Shaq since I'm comparing Cousins in his first few years.
B. Shaq did not even show emotion in the first gif. He pushed the dude down and ran the other way. Cousins would push the guy, stare him down, then cry like a bitch when he got a T followed up by 5 minutes of terrible turnovers. In the second gif, he had a ball thrown at him.
At no point did i say Shaq or anyone else never shows emotion. You guys are straw manning the argument. I said Cousins plays too emotional. Like, every fucking game it's something with him.
Did Shaq get mad when he got hit time after time after time? Yes. Did he have outbursts every other game? Not comparable to Cousins.
Let me makes this clear. Cousins is way too emotional AS he is playing. Like, while he'd dribbling the fucking ball.
What does this have to do with how Cousins and Kobe play like on the court?
How can anyone think a young Kobe played as emotional as Cousins right now? Do you people watch games?
It's like saying Odom played as hard last season and Allen Iverson in his prime.
Dominican Power
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Cousin's emotional outbursts affects his game.
Dominican Power
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...howard-reveals-desire-had-trade-brooklyn-nets
Fucking Dwight Coward.
Fucking Dwight Coward.
Black Mamba
Member
Damn it, the election season is making me more susceptible to shenanigans.
Whatever, You're just afraid of the Laker tank. Preseason #1 pick here we come!
iamshadowlark
Banned
Yep, I think you would know. The celtics have first hand knowledge of his dominance right? If only he had Mo Williams as the best to back him up, you'd probably have a chance.
Shut the hell up Dwight.
I hope you win a ring with Kobe then suck for the rest of your career, you shawn kemp like child maker
Who has better post moves, Lebron or Shadowlark? One is described as unstoppable...The other describes himself as unstoppable as Barkley in the post.
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