Black Mamba
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You're forgetting the 1st rounder you bought + empty slot cap holds. edit: I never included those 2 players btw.
new NBA rules give no benefit to the player for sign + trades. No extra year, no extra bonuses.
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You're forgetting the 1st rounder you bought + empty slot cap holds. edit: I never included those 2 players btw.
new NBA rules give no benefit to the player for sign + trades. No extra year, no extra bonuses.
Ninja Scooter
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and Curry's paper mache ankles.
MorisUkunRasik
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GS after trading away their assets would be much less appealing than Hou, MUCH less. Makes no sense.
FullMetalx117
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Now that it is highly unlikely Dwight signs in Dallas I hope Cuban and gang finallu stop sitting on their ass and actually sign someone!
They can leave the first rounder in Europe since he has a buyout anyway, and they already have 13 players under contract so no need for holds.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Thanks for the info. Haven't kept up as much with the new CBA and shit.
I'm so sick of Howard and all the drama shit he brings, pick a damn team already.
Really curious if Doc Rocket (Rockets old insider/source) ends up being right this time. He seems to be 100% confident that Howard is coming to
Houston. Gonna look like a complete fool and vanish forever if he's wrong. Dude has always been cryptic, but he's let loose this time.
https://twitter.com/Thedocrocket
He's shitting on Stein lol
I'm so sick of Howard and all the drama shit he brings, pick a damn team already.
Really curious if Doc Rocket (Rockets old insider/source) ends up being right this time. He seems to be 100% confident that Howard is coming to
Houston. Gonna look like a complete fool and vanish forever if he's wrong. Dude has always been cryptic, but he's let loose this time.
https://twitter.com/Thedocrocket
He's shitting on Stein lol
I just want him to leave the Lakers more than anything. Don't really care where he goes but I'm really warming to him coming to Oakland for Bogut & trash.
Is this true? Amazing if so
The idea of the Dwightmare ending with Dwight forcing a team to eviscerate itself just so they can sign him... it's too much.
Black Mamba
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no landry, jack, and those 2 guys you mentioned + draft pick Euro leaves 2 roster holds. I'm a little off, i double counted the 1st rounder + hold in my guestimate before.
No one knows exactly where they are because the new cap isn't know or minimums and stuff.
The 1st rounder being stashed in Europe doesn't matter. His cap hold stays until the first day of the season.
It's in the $72 million range or so. The discussion doesn't really matter whether they're a LT team right now or not. I was just pointing out with all cap holds they're over and without they're very close.
Edit: Wait, they're definitely above.
Yes. In the right scenario.
MorisUkunRasik
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if it ends up like Melo to NY ....I'd be fine with that
I thought cap holds were only for less than 12? Steph, Klay, Barnes, Green, Ezili, Biedrins, Bogut, Lee, Jefferson, Machado, Jones, Rush, Bazemore = 13.
30th pick is $850k, so $72m is probably right on the money.
Completely gutting a team and getting picks? Works for me if Dwight walks.
Black Mamba
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Cap holds are til 13. But again, I said I didn't include Machado + Jones to lower the salary.
It's close.
Actually, it is kind of important. That gwscribe tweet was only in a specific scenario. if GSW is technically over the LT they cannot trade for Dwight, which means no mini-MLE. of course, they can trade for him and get under the LT which means they have the full MLE.
If they are under the LT and trade for him and it puts them over the LT, then they have a hard cap, around $75 million. So if the Dwight trade puts them to $73 million, they do not have a mini-MLE. If it's under $72 mil, then yes.
Again, those numbers aren't perfect. it depends on where the LT is which we won't know til the 9th or 10th, so it's a rough approximation.
edit: I read it as re-sign with the mini-MLE. nevermind. If they're keeping Jack's rights, they have to trade for Dwight and get under the LT to do it. Jack's hold is $8 mil which is large, so they'd have to get well under the LT to be able to sign jack and have a mini MLE since they would be hard-capped after signing Jack.
What's his username?
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
not over yet, may the best non-Laker team win
Black Mamba
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In order to signs Dwight outright they have renounce Jack.
You also lose your MLE when you go under the cap. If they sign Dwight outright they have to:
1. Trade Biedrens, RJef, Bogut for nothing back
2. renounce landry and jack
3. sign Dwight to max
4. fill out roster with vet minimums.
They can't do what Miami did a few years ago to keep their exceptions.
Which is why I think it's all talk to scare the Lakers into making a deal, trying to create space to do it isn't the best route as they can't fill out the roster properly.
Yeah, and if they sign-and-trade for Dwight, they'll still have a hard time keeping Jack because they'll be limited by the hard cap.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Black Mamba
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Right, because of his $8 mil cap hold. They'd have to shed salaries to pull that off, regardless.
I don't think anyone on the Lakers believe the Warriors could get the cap space. I certainly don't. How are they trade $34 million in salary with only a few late first round picks to dangle?
If Dwight goes to Golden State, they'll be trading Barnes to LA, maybe both Klay and Barnes. I don't see another way around that.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
haha
Seriously I thought the Rockets were done with him. Honestly I thought it would somehow work out with LA and this was 100% over with once he became a Laker.
Shit ends up being worse than Bron. I was so grossed out by the Bron shit it's why I have my tag.
Dominican Power
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GS should fall the fuck back and pass on this headache. I can't imagine Dwight leaving LA to go to fucking Oakland even though The Warriors are moving to SF.
Black Mamba
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That's what I said a few days ago that Warriors were doing this to show themselves to be real players in the future.
But like you said, it's dwight. Personally, I think only a moron walks away from the Lakers for less guaranteed money, but whatever.
I've been resigned to the fact that he's leaving for a while. My money is still on houston. I wouldn't mind getting even just Barnes for him. Only 10 million the next 3 years, doesn't affect 2014 cap space really. + a 2014 first despite being a low pick. Shut down Kobe, trade Nash for a pick, let Pau fuck around.
go into 2014, bring in Lebron, bring in a very good PG by trading Barnes, draft wiggins/parker, keep Kobv and Pau. Run the league again.
Dominican Power
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Lakers wouldn't do a S/T with Houston and take back Lin/Asik?
Black Mamba
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I don't think they'd take Lin.
Possibly Asik. I really don't know because they don't want to mess with their 2014 cap space but I like Asik.
Dominican Power
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Brandy is a Rockets fan now?
Black Mamba
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Sure they can. Lin for Calderon in a s+t, then Asik for Smith.
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Clutchfans posters...
Originally Posted by rocketpower2 View Post"
thekad if I am not mistaken"
"I think I've heard of him before. Should be legit."
lol wtf have you done Kad.
Originally Posted by rocketpower2 View Post"
thekad if I am not mistaken"
"I think I've heard of him before. Should be legit."
lol wtf have you done Kad.
If Smith takes less than the max for some reason, sure.
Black Mamba
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wait, was wrong.
They can trade Asik and sign Josh Smith to a max. It's 150% of outgoing salary if it's under $10 million being sent out.