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2013 NBA Offseason |OT| Already Planning for the 2014 Offseason
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Colonel Nasty
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Ill take Hollins over McFail.
except asik is more valuable to the rox than smith on his own.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
Asik would provide little value to the Rockets with Dwight there though. Dwight and Asik do the same things so it's a really bad fit. Smith can defend more on the perimeter and is a better playmaker.
Adam Blade
WWKC
Twin towers?
Ugh, at this moment, even George Karl gets linked to the Clippers.
Make up yo minds.
He does, but only marginally so. And why not have dwight guard the perimeter and let Asik anchor the middle?
That way you keep a guy who can defend td/marc/pek/hibbert etc, and you still have dwight.
It would also leave their front court very sparse with a Dwight that could be starting to break down. And it gives you time to rotate minutes @ 5 with small ball (which houston love).
I'd say it gives them similar flexibility as getting smith does.
Colonel Nasty
Member
I don't want J Smoove for that kind of money, but I think Asik is redundant with Dwight. I'd rather play the young guys and maybe package Asik and Lin for a pg upgrade. I dunno for who though.
Its clearly over advanced stats. Hollins wants no parts of it. Feels like it encroaches on a coach or some shit like that.
Future PhaZe
Member
Eh, better to just go full fuckball West on the league by being able to completely shut down the paint between Smith/Dwight and on offense just demoralize teams by having Harden and Dwight draw 20 fouls a game.
Asik would be nice as a backup yea, but that's more of a regular season mentality anyway. If Dwight goes out for the playoffs then its over anyway, so better to go for best possible impact with the starters.
Asik would be nice as a backup yea, but that's more of a regular season mentality anyway. If Dwight goes out for the playoffs then its over anyway, so better to go for best possible impact with the starters.
Lin isn't going anywhere. He brings in too much asian money to the franchise. Like it or not, he'll be there for that whole contract. But by doing so he'll help pay for Houston going into tax territory.
Not entirely, but he feels there's a lot more to it.
And he's right.
But Memphis and Hollins were already probably looking at a shake it up and separate..
I still say Sloan would be great, but i'm not sure if you want him as your head coach anymore. And they would need to retain who ever is the defensive coach right now. as IWMTB's said, Sloan ran some weird D.
Except that i really don't know how much impact Smith will have. He doesn't really do anything that great other than just, exist. A lot of what he does, Dwight does better.
He is going to be the new coach. And yeah there is definitely stuff going on beyond the advance stats. There was some rumor about Hollins going off on Hollinger for talking to Austin Daye during a practice a week or two back. As much as they have been stating otherwise I think Hollin's fate was sealed when he went on TNT and made the comment about the ownership/management being cheap.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
http://godismyjudgeok.com/DStats/2013/nba-stats/ncaa-advanced-statistical-plus-minus-released/
Advanced Statistical Plus or Minus numbers for this year's class (as well as 2010, 2011, and 2012). Probably not too much surprising or informational stuff in there though. The best players have really good marks in ASPM, Tony Mitchell and Shabazz have pretty poor marks (for NBA Draft prospects), and Alex Len is bit below average, but that's what all other numbers are saying as well so it probably doesn't add much to anything.
Oladipo's ASPM is pretty insane so that might be a good sign.
I think Smith is a bigger offensive threat than Asik (especially when Dwight will already be going for offensive rebounds) and is a better perimeter defender than Dwight. Gallinari-Dwight would probably work better than Smith-Dwight though.
Advanced Statistical Plus or Minus numbers for this year's class (as well as 2010, 2011, and 2012). Probably not too much surprising or informational stuff in there though. The best players have really good marks in ASPM, Tony Mitchell and Shabazz have pretty poor marks (for NBA Draft prospects), and Alex Len is bit below average, but that's what all other numbers are saying as well so it probably doesn't add much to anything.
Oladipo's ASPM is pretty insane so that might be a good sign.
I think Smith is a bigger offensive threat than Asik (especially when Dwight will already be going for offensive rebounds) and is a better perimeter defender than Dwight. Gallinari-Dwight would probably work better than Smith-Dwight though.
If you're going down that path of small ball, yeah, it probably would.
The Frankman
Banned
I was checking on Mock Draft updates and Glenn Rice Jr. is rising like a mofo. Was 30-35 and a 2nd rounder 2 weeks ago, now some mocks are having him go mid-20s.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Name recognition is a bug part of it.
Future PhaZe
Member
Really odd comments by Wall recently about our pick and he's said this several times in the past so he seems adamant. Every quality penetrate and kick guard would like a nice stretch 4 but I wonder if he's making these comments with any knowledge of who's available in the draft whatsoever.
The Frankman
Banned
Nene and the Wizards pick for Steve Novak and Knicks pick.
Red Blaster
Member
Nerlens was spotted having lunch with Rob Hennigan in Orlando this weekend
going to lunch with your potential future boss in basketball attire and drinking pink lemonade
lulz
going to lunch with your potential future boss in basketball attire and drinking pink lemonade
lulz
Adam Blade
WWKC
Nerlens was spotted having lunch with Rob Hennigan in Orlando this weekend
going to lunch with your potential future boss in basketball attire and drinking pink lemonade
lulz
All pro athletes are uncultured thugs, yo.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
He had a great career as a player and if he wants will likely have a great career in coaching.
The Frankman
Banned
Wow... sad. I kinda wish Kidd came back but I know this is best for the Knicks. Now they'll have the full midlevel to use now.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
The whole 5 million? Nice
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater
Banned
Jason Kidd is definitely retiring as Top 10 greatest PGs of all-time. Maybe even Top 5 depending on how you define the position of PG.
The Frankman
Banned
Tommy Dee said:
Marc Stein waxing poetic about Kidd on ESPN.
Remember when Felton got hurt Kidd played a lot of minutes. Wore him down bigtime.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
I guess this would be nice for the Jazz. I don't disagree with the questions about Burke physically, but I can't think of ten players better than him in this draft.
Holy shit, Kidd had 107 tripple dubs? Fuuuuuu Wow thats impressive.
Thekad, how do you feel about Bosh instead of Smoove? Listening to all the pundits talk about the heat wanting to trade Bosh for a big and whatever else makes me wonder about how his game would meld with Dwight (assuming we get D12).
Thekad, how do you feel about Bosh instead of Smoove? Listening to all the pundits talk about the heat wanting to trade Bosh for a big and whatever else makes me wonder about how his game would meld with Dwight (assuming we get D12).
Red Blaster
Member
bosh? lawl, rockets aren't going to have 3 max players on their payroll with parsons becoming a free agent soon
Bosh ain't a max player. Hes gonna be thirty soonish, and we gonna have to renegotiate that contract with the way his numbers have gone down.
You prolly right tho. I <3 Bosh, so let me dream.
Barrage
Member
Bosh may not be a max player, but he damn sure will be paid like a max player. He's got Player Options for years, and he damn sure will re-up.
Squall ASF
Member
Nope, Twitter is faster than you posting on Neo Gaf, buddy
Although my post is late as hell.ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
DX's new mock has the Jazz taking Larkin in the lottery, fuck off
Future PhaZe
Member
DX's new mock has the Jazz taking Larkin in the lottery, fuck off
but dat 40 inch
how in the world did you guys not move 1 or 2 of your 4 bigs for another top 20 first rounder this year?
really odd gm work being done in Utah.
Kings speak with Bird, Mullin, Dunleavy as GM search widens
The Sacramento Kings' new ownership group has reached out to Hall of Famers Larry Bird and Chris Mullin as well as former NBA coach Mike Dunleavy about running the team's basketball operations, a search that is wide open, league sources told CBSSports.com on Monday.
The Sacramento Kings' new ownership group has reached out to Hall of Famers Larry Bird and Chris Mullin as well as former NBA coach Mike Dunleavy about running the team's basketball operations, a search that is wide open, league sources told CBSSports.com on Monday.
Future PhaZe
Member
I don't understand how Dunleavy keeps getting positions or interviews.
We will be getting 2 rookies from this shit draft, would we really want another?
Future PhaZe
Member
In the most recent DX update they have Alex Len to the Bobcats.
Man that's a tough pick to make in their position.
Man that's a tough pick to make in their position.
ItWasMeantToBe19
Banned
"31-24 record with Mo Williams coming back soon? Playoff guaranteed, baby. No need to make any moves"
Turns out that teams with a zero point differential eventually turn back to .500 and that Mo Williams is terrible. Neither idea is that controversial, but apparently the Jazz believed in neither :/
The top 10 is terrible, but 11-60 is about the same as other years. We'll have six guys who are 23 or younger in the rotation so another rookie might not have helped that much, but assets are assets...
The Frankman
Banned
Larkin's vert is negated by his short arms. Dude has no wingspan.
EDIT: DraftExpress's newest mock has dramatic changes across the board. Obviously they know something we don't about team needs.
Squall ASF
Member
Man it sucks having a shit team and then having something you SHOULD be able to be excited about, a top 5 draft pick, drained of optimism because of how poor this draft pool is supposed to be Hopefully some of these guys surprise everyone. I'd like to say everyone is wrong about players coming out all the time in sports but with the NBA, there have been draft years were literally everyone sucked. Crazy.
Hopefully some of these guys surprise everyone. I'd like to say everyone is wrong about players coming out all the time in sports but with the NBA, there have been draft years were literally everyone sucked. Crazy.I'd be pretty happy with Olynyk and Adetokunbo.
Future PhaZe
Member
This draft makes you want to kill yourself if you're picking top 10, but it's a pretty awesome draft once you get into "fuck it, I'm goin deep" territory. There are guys who are too unpolished for you to feel comfortable picking them say top 5 but are really awesome picks around the range the Jazz are, and getting a guy like Adams or Olynyk is infinitely preferable than simply losing an Al Jeff or Millsapp.
Liquidsnake
Banned
Lebron's world will start to collapse in 3 hours an 15 min.
Adam Blade
WWKC
Hardaway Jr is pretty eloquent.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
yeah Larkin will be good offensively but will not be able to play good defense at all in the NBA.
Also I like Tony Mitchell at 24 for the knicks, though the fact that he is an iso player and all the knicks tend to so is look for dudes to iso isn't the best knews around .... the rumor was the knicks would buy a second ( or trade expirings for one) and from what I hear they are inviting a lot of second round PG's to work out for them so cool.
Also why does Muscala keep falling down the draft board?
Also did Dario Saric drop out of the draft again?
If you draft Olynyk with that pick you might as well come to Toronto and punch me in the stomach.
Sad to see JKidd go, but man, he was worn down to nothing at the end of the season. Seeing him pass on all those wide WIDE open threes because he just knew he had nothing in the tank was sad.
He had one of the most terrible droughts of his career in the playoffs didnt he? He just couldnt score a bucket.
He got that fucking ring though! Can still be happy that he at least got one!
He had one of the most terrible droughts of his career in the playoffs didnt he? He just couldnt score a bucket.
He got that fucking ring though! Can still be happy that he at least got one!