2014 FIFA World Cup |OT5| Que Jara, Jara. Whatever Will Be, Will Be.

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Micerider

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ozfunghi said:
Tactical intelligence, not so much though. Hazard is very good in possession, like the ball is glued to his shoe (like Dembele), a better dribbler, but he's less "direct" (than both Mertens and Mirallas) and he isn't the fastest of the bunch. He does have the ability to draw up to 4 players closer, and outplay them with a simple pass, freeing space for his teammates.

Tactical intelligence, that's where Debruyne comes in. When he's on his A game, it's difficult to beat us because we will score at least once or twice (and our defense/goalie aren't in the habit of conceding many goals). One of the main problems in the WC so far, is that Van Buyten is playing, instead of Vermaelen (injuries) and he is terrible at setting up the game from the back. Bringing us to the real problem, we don't have any good left and right backs, so there are two central defenders playing there. Otherwise, Vertonghen could just take Vermaelen's place in the centre.

The biggest strength is that we have guys on the bench that can make an impact. Be it Mertens, Mirallas, Origi or Fellaini. It's not luck that they won the past three matches in the last 15 minutes.
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Agreed about Debruyne, but I see him more as a forward center component. Van Buyten played a good match against Korea honestly.
 
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Fox318

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silver.tongue

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I'm so nervous... Please Chile don't beat us. You can have Russia 2018. Just let us win this time. There will be riots if we lose. Your players will never leave the pitch alive. :(
 
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ozfunghi

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SkylineRKR said:
Pretty much. The Algeria game confirmed for me that Wilmots isn't the right man for these huge talents.
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This is something every football fan in Belgium has known for two years, but the KBVB is filled with simpletons who decided to give him a new contract for the next FOUR YEARS! By that time, the generation Kompany, Mertens, Fellaini, Dembele, Vertonghen... will all be in their thirties. Luckily Januzaj, Origi, Bakali are yet to turn twenty, and we'll get some mileage out of the Hazard bros, Debruyne, Courtois &co yet.

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Agreed about Debruyne, but I see him more as a forward center component. Van Buyten played a good match against Korea honestly.
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He never played better for his country. But that doesn't change the fact that while a decent defender, he sucks at setting up play going forward, and it shows (compared to Vermaelen).

Debruyne can play almost anywhere and can make the difference from every position. He can play in the centre behind the striker, as a central midfielder, or even defensive midfield as well as a (right) winger.
 
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alterno69 said:
I think Mexico historically has based most of its succes in confidence/lack of it.

Usually when we play as the underdogs we perform really well. I remember before the 98 world cup, the team played a series of matches afainst european sides in Europe, i think they even lost to some second division teams then, no one was expecting much from the team but they managed to tie Netherlands and Belgium after being 2-0 after half time with both teams.
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I'm going to self quote me here, from the World Cup Group Draw thread:
Sr Kitsune said:
True.

But in the past, the "better" performances of Mexico in world cups (without being host) have come from the worst qualifiers. USA 1994, for example. Mexico was shit in qualifiers, got knocked out by Bulgaria in penalties, or France 1998 (4 wins, 6 ties, in qualifiers) got knocked out by Germany 2-1 (Mexico was winning at the beginning 1-0).

It's Mexico we're talking about. We're always doomed. The same was said in 2010, etc. It'll be like always, we'll have a good game, one or two ties, and we'll be out in the next round for sure. Boring, to be honest.
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Algeria, FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save mother fucking Africa yeah,
Algeria, FUCK YEAH!
Upset is the only way yeah,
FIFA your game is through cause now you have to answer too,
Algeria, FUCK YEAH!
So lick Benzema, and suck on my shisha,
Algeria, FUCK YEAH!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow
FUCK YEAH!
I am not algerian
 
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silver.tongue said:
I'm so nervous... Please Chile don't beat us. You can have Russia 2018. Just let us win this time. There will be riots if we lose. Your players will never leave the pitch alive. :(
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No please, you can have 2018, let us win this time, for the first time ever please, bro?, please? D:
 
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ozfunghi

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WonkyPanda said:
Wait,

Kompany AND Bore are out? Shit. That hurts.
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Missing a fit/in form Vermaelen hurts way more than VDBorre IMO. He wasn't going to play much anyway. But If Kompany is out, Vermaelen and Benteke (at home)... that's quite the difference and lack of quality compared to the qualifying matches.
 
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Fireblend

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I really really want Mexico to beat Holland but the impact a hypothetical Costa Rica vs. Mexico match would have in both countries' cultural conscience makes me worry it.

Still, go Mexico!
 
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Tragicomedy

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Ikuu said:
US has to be the luckiest team in the WC.
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How are they luckier than Belgium? Argentina? France? Colombia?

The US was in a tougher group than any of those teams. They beat Ghana, tied Portugal, and lost to Germany. There are several descriptors I can think of to paint the US team in a negative light, but "lucky" isn't one of them.
 
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Magni

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gutshot said:
How would you guys rank the round of 16 teams?
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1. Germany
2. Netherlands
3. Colombia
4. France
5. Chile
6. Costa Rica
7. Brazil
8. Mexico
9. Argentina
10. USA
11. Belgium
12. Uruguay
13. Switzerland
14. Nigeria
15. Algeria
16. Greece

Really been disappointed by Brazil and Argentina so far.
 
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Fox318

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Ikuu said:
US has to be the luckiest team in the WC.
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Greece conceded more goals than they scored and they still got in.

also

Fifa 'tried to stop' Ghana bonus row
Fifa has revealed it was ready to pay Ghana's players their World Cup bonuses directly and deduct it from the Ghana Football Association's prize money.
Ghana have been eliminated from the tournament at the group stage
Fifa has revealed it was ready to pay Ghana's players their World Cup bonuses directly and deduct it from the Ghana Football Association's prize money.

“ It is sad that we end up with a story about a strike, where the players won't play unless they receive their money”

Jerome Valcke Fifa secretary general
After Ghana's players boycotted training in protest at not receiving their money, the country's government flew $3m (£1.8m) in cash to Brazil.

Fifa secretary general Jerome Valcke described the situation as sad.

"The players have the right to receive their money but it would be much easier to do this by bank transfer," he said.

"The fact that the money came in cash is also sad because I was ready to sign a letter, as long as I had a copy of the agreement between the national association and the players, that the money would be paid by Fifa by bank transfer into their personal accounts.

"Fifa would have made sure to deduct the players' money from the prize money paid to the national association."

While Ghana have now gone home from Brazil, having been eliminated from the tournament at the group stage, another bonus row is ongoing involving Nigeria.

The Super Eagles, who are due to meet France in the last 16 on Monday, refused to train on Thursday over fears they would not receive their bonus payments from the Nigerian Football Federation, the BBC understands.

Ghana players at the World Cup in Brazil
Fifa has revealed it was ready to pay Ghana's players their World Cup bonuses directly
It prompted Nigerian President Goodluck Jonathan to speak to senior players on Friday to assure them that the money will be paid.

There was a similar issue with Cameroon, whose players refused to board their plane to South America because of a row over appearance fees. They arrived for the World Cup a day later than scheduled.

The issue is not a new one - Togo went on strike over bonus money at the 2006 tournament in Germany and Fifa was forced to intervene.

And Valcke says that something needs to be done.

"Future World Cups will ask the national associations to provide us with their agreements with their players to make sure that this kind of episode does not happen again," he said.
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Tragicomedy said:
How are they luckier than Belgium? Argentina? France? Colombia?

The US was in a tougher group than any of those teams. They beat Ghana, tied Portugal, and lost to Germany. There are several descriptors I can think of to paint the US team in a negative light, but "lucky" isn't one of them.
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USA did not deserve the win against Ghana but this is football and thus anything is possible. That being said Argentina is the luckiest team and it will be the world cup winner but not by luck.
 
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Ikuu said:
US has to be the luckiest team in the WC.
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Uh, injuries were a disaster for the US against Ghana. Even though Dempsey stayed in, he was completely out of the game after getting kicked, and we've still yet to find out if Altidore is even capable of playing anymore this World Cup.

But yeah, for the most part the US has been on the luckier end of injury/suspension.
 
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Firemind said:
Then what should I base them on? History? Mexico has never reached the quarter final that wasn't on Mexican soil. Group stage? They weren't that impressive. Were lucky they could draw against Brazil and could make the goals against Croatia, because the Croatians had to win and therefore didn't have sound defensive lines.
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Be my guess, all i'm saying this team has nothing to do with the one from the qualifiers, different manager and a very different line up. And we know the friendlies prior to the world cup are mostly crap.

This is the line up from their last game before they started changing managers every other game.

This team lost to Honduras in the Azteca for fucks sake.

----------Corona------

Meza------Moreno------Reyes-----Salcido

Reyna-------Arce------Torrado------Gimenez

-------Dos Santos-------Peralta

Only three of those are in the current starting team, two more are in the squad and the rest is back home.

That was back in September 2013, after that the federation called a new manager who lasted one game, then another one who lasted two games and finally Herrera to face New Zealand and the rest is history.

The team that has been playing the World Cup had never played together before the tournament, which is why most of us were expecting the team to be back home by now.
 
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Fox318 said:
Fifa 'tried to stop' Ghana bonus row
Fifa has revealed it was ready to pay Ghana's players their World Cup bonuses directly and deduct it from the Ghana Football Association's prize money.
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Last World Cup it was Togo, this World Cup it's been Cameroon, Ghana and now Nigeria are getting stroppy over bonus payments.

Are the African FA's so shady that the players are scared of being screwed over or am I missing something?
 
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Tragicomedy

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NaM said:
USA did not deserve the win against Ghana but this is football and thus anything is possible. That being said Argentina is the luckiest team and it will be the world cup winner but not by luck.
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I'm laughing at anyone's concept of a "deserved" win. I could make a case that a third of the matches I've seen right now how ended in an "undeserved" fashion, but that term is absolutely meaningless.

Moral victories mean nothing. Only the final score counts. The USA beat Ghana.
 
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Tragicomedy said:
Moral victories mean nothing. Only the final score counts. The USA beat Ghana.
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Never mind the fact that the US had to run through subs starting at 15 minutes due to Altidore's injury. Getting that second goal was no small feat considering what the team was up against.
 
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Brashnir

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CelticKnight said:
Last World Cup it was Togo, this World Cup it's been Cameroon, Ghana and now Nigeria are getting stroppy over bonus payments.

Are the African FA's so shady that the players are scared of being screwed over or am I missing something?
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It's a combination of the FAs being shady, and the players not being organized enough to make these kinds of moves at a more reasonable time. Something not entirely dissimilar happened with the US team in 2005, but they did it between rounds in the qualification schedule, and everything was settled before the final round of qualification kicked off.
 
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