Locke Lamora
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IDF officials: Two hour Gaza cease-fire agreed for humanitarian reasons, starting immediately.
How nice.
How nice.
Actually if the citizens in countries whose tax dollars help pay for all the weaponry being used to kill so many civilians made their voices heard, things would change.
I wish Obama would grow some balls and tell Netanyahu to stop this shit or lose all aid but you know why we won't? Folks would be running over themselves to attack him and Democrats would be leading the charge.
IDF officials: Two hour Gaza cease-fire agreed for humanitarian reasons, starting immediately.
How nice.
So what's Israel's explanation?
So what's Israel's explanation?
Some had received text messages in previous days warning them to flee, but residents said they felt it was futile, that they would face the same dangers in other parts of Gaza.
Overnight, Hamas' military wing also fired rockets from Shaja'ia toward Israel. The militant group also turned down an invitation by Egypt to talk about a cease-fire initiative the country had proposed.
Two hours is just enough for the tail end of emergency services personnel attending to the scene to be caught in the next barrage.
While on the one hand I agree, and note that America/England/Russia are run by blithering idiots...
At any given time, we're two steps from another full blown World War. And given America/England's pathetic track record at trying to solve wars between other nations, the last thing I want is them getting involved. Because when they do either they get their asses kicked, or they 'save the day' and then leave things even worse than they were originally.
I mean... the problem is there's no deterrant except for war. And even then that just breeds resentment that builds until the cycle starts again.
It seems the sad truth is that the only way to stop things like this is for countries to stop having figurative dick-measuring contests and bullying each other. But they have to decide that. And currently no one wants to because then they won't be the toughest guy in the playground anymore.
England isn't a state - I think you mean the United Kingdom. Nor is the Middle East close to precipitating a world war; none of the major powers involved involved care sufficiently about Israel or Palestine to commit to something of that scale. There certainly are effective deterrents. Israel's economy is incredibly far from self-sufficient - they're hugely dependent on imports and exports from Western countries. Punitive economic sanctions in the line of those used on apartheid South Africa would be an extremely effective and rapid deterrent. Palestine is not involved in a "figurative dick-measuring contest". They are being occupied and murdered, and it is both insulting and demeaning to make such an analogy.
So what's Israel's explanation?
IDF @IDFSpokesperson · 4 sec.
Hamas told Palestinian civilians to ignore our warnings. Hamas encouraged them to be human shields. Watch: http://youtu.be/uzFgIhFKII8
This is it.
Actually, you make a fair point. The western world funding this genocidal war machine definitely has a part to play,
Problem with the UK and US is that key political figures are strongly pro Israel. Not to mention the powerful lobby groups. As citizens of these countries, we need to apply significant pressure to make these fuckers fold.
Despicable. Indefensible.
There have been anti-war protests going on daily in many major cities in Israel.Please tell me there are at least some vocal opponents of the war amongst Israelis.
Problem with the UK and US is that key political figures are strongly pro Israel. Not to mention the powerful lobby groups. As citizens of these countries, we need to apply significant pressure to make these fuckers fold.
man this is some next level victim blaming. "wtf we told you we were going to fucking murder everybody indiscriminately "This is it.
Well, I have friends in Israel and I like to think that they are not in support of this war. I think many Israeli's are tired of it as well. I just wished peace could be a possibility.Please tell me there are at least some vocal opponents of the war amongst Israelis.
Man, I can't even imagine what it'd be like to get fliers and texts telling you to get the hell out of your hometown cause it's going to be bombed to shit. It's got to be terrifying.
You can check @IDFSpokesman on twitter. It's pretty despicable.
Man, I can't even imagine what it'd be like to get fliers and texts telling you to get the hell out of your hometown cause it's going to be bombed to shit. It's got to be terrifying.
If Israel knew civilians were being used as human shields, they should have done the right thing and just backed off and not attacked that city!
Well, I have friends in Israel and I like to think that they are not in support of this war. I think many Israeli's are tired of it as well. I just wished peace could be a possibility.
IDF officials: Two hour Gaza cease-fire agreed for humanitarian reasons, starting immediately.
How nice.
How would they have sent texts? Not that I'd expect them to trust them even if they did.
The Israeli army has warned residents to leave.
It has sent text messages to many Palestinians and dropped leaflets over residential areas, telling them to flee.
It's right there in the story.
From the IDF Spokesperson twitter, this is the flyer they sent (translated to English, also sorry for the large picture):I imagine they have some sort of mass alert system? I'm not sure.
I don't know why people implicate the United Kingdom in this. Israel is perceived overwhelmingly negatively in the United Kingdom - see here.
From the IDF Spokesperson twitter, this is the flyer they sent (in English, also sorry for the large picture):
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It is, that's the translated version. If you check the Twitter they've got the Arabic version up as well. It's also got a map, but I'm not quite sure for what.^ Shouldn't they be in Arabic or something?
Do people not understand what civilian causalities are? Happens in every conflict. And the blood is on Hamas's hands as they hide weapon caches and command centers in city homes.
The moral hypocrisy of the left when it comes to civilian causalities is sickening as well. When the Syrian government murders thousands of it's own people, they don't care. When ISIS murders Christians and Jews, they don't care. When the Palestinian people are murdered in their thousands outside of Israel and Gaza, they don't care. When the Russians murder Ukrainians, they don't care. All non internationalist, as promoted by the terrorist sympathizing organization Stop the War Coalition.
But when Israel causes civilian causalities after defend itself from the thousands of rockets fired over the past two weeks? They are murderers and committing apartheid. Stop the War Coalition called for action against Israel. That just shows how ridiculous the left are. All over Twitter and Facebook.
Israel has unfortunately caused civilian causalities. But this David vs. Goliath, the Jews become the Nazis etc. drama played up by the media needs to stop. Israel wants the terrorists dead, Hamas wants every Jewish civilian dead.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/20/world/meast/mideast-crisis/
Aljazeera claims the dead are up to around 100.
When the Syrian government murders thousands of it's own people, they don't care. When ISIS murders Christians and Jews, they don't care. When the Palestinian people are murdered in their thousands outside of Israel and Gaza, they don't care. When the Russians murder Ukrainians, they don't care. All non internationalist, as promoted by the terrorist sympathizing organization Stop the War Coalition.
But when Israel causes civilian causalities after defend itself from the thousands of rockets fired over the past two weeks? They are murderers and committing apartheid. Stop the War Coalition called for action against Israel. That just shows how ridiculous the left are. All over Twitter and Facebook.
where are the civilians suppose to go?
Jump in sea!!
honestly some people have no idea about the reality in Gaza.
Do people not understand what civilian causalities are? Happens in every conflict. And the blood is on Hamas's hands as they hide weapon caches and command centers in city homes.
Nice of them, but shouldn't they be in Arabic?
How would that work? Are Hamas meant to stay put - just because - while civilians alone leave?CNN Article:
I imagine they have some sort of mass alert system? I'm not sure.
I don't know why people implicate the United Kingdom in this. Israel is perceived overwhelmingly negatively in the United Kingdom - see here. Both Conservative and Labour administrations have taken steps against Israel - see the recent arms embargo, the various resolutions in the United Nations that the United Kingdom has either voted against Israel or abstained when the United States has applied pressure, and the fact that the Foreign Office's official policy goal is still the restoration of the 1967 borders. Even in recent statements, William Hague, the (now former) Foreign Secretary has not been in any way warm towards Netanyahu. The United Kingdom is not politically in favour of Israel's actions. Instead, their lack of action can be attributed to two main reasons: firstly, the United Kingdom is very strongly influenced by the United States' foreign policy objectives, even if they disagree with them, because they perceive the United States as an essential ally. Secondly, the Israel-Palestine issue is just not that politically salient, so even if the political scene is not in favour of Israel, nobody cares enough to do anything.
If you want something to be done about Palestine, you have to do something about the pro-Israel political lobby in the United States. This is an issue relating to the United States and Israel alone; other nations have little to no impact.
So basically a pause to collect the dead...IDF officials: Two hour Gaza cease-fire agreed for humanitarian reasons, starting immediately.
How nice.
It is, that's the translated version. If you check the Twitter they've got the Arabic version up as well. It's also got a map, but I'm not quite sure for what.
Do ANY of these groups that you have mentioned have any sort of affiliation or alliance with any Western country? What would protesting against ISIS or Syria achieve when there is no real channel of contact between the Western countries and those groups?
If Syria was an ally of the West or if the ISIS was an ally of the West, you'd see similar protests. Israel IS an ally of the West.
The fact that you've placed Israel in the same company as ISIS and Syria is hilarious.
And civilian casualties of SUCH RIDICULOUS PROPORTIONS are not commonplace in conflicts where one side is supposed to be a well-equipped, democratic force fighting against an ill-prepared militia. Do you see these levels of civilian deaths in Afghanistan or Iraq?
Obviously. In this very moment we allow it.Are we really allowing this to happen?
Do American tax dollars go to aid for those other countries/groups? Are those other countries/groups major US allies?
Saw a video of a cameraman walking around some houses surrounded by dead bodies of women and children. Really can't believe that people find this an acceptable way of dealing with Hamas.
I'm not sure of the civilian casualty statistics there, but the reason they are so high here because of how densely populated the area is, and more importantly, Hamas's tactics of using civilian homes as bases. And telling Palestinians to become martyrs. The dead are glorified and paraded around the street.
It's very similar to the excuse the pro-Russia rebels used for blowing up the Malaysian aircraft.man this is some next level victim blaming. "wtf we told you we were going to fucking murder everybody indiscriminately "