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[zeroOman]

The convenient human shield excuse.

yeah that what Israel want u to believe even so yesterday attack wasn't ur normal hitting target my man it was massacre in which they keep bombing the whole night with everything tank, navy and airs trick

 

[Omiee]

I'm Israeli, you would vomit if you looked at my Facebook feed.

why?


anyway i cant believe the world is not stepping in. israel is free to do what ever the fuck they want.

they could kill the whole population and nobody would say a thing, better yet no media outlet will show you a thing about it.

 

[Juice]

Actually if the citizens in countries whose tax dollars help pay for all the weaponry being used to kill so many civilians made their voices heard, things would change.

I wish Obama would grow some balls and tell Netanyahu to stop this shit or lose all aid but you know why we won't? Folks would be running over themselves to attack him as anti-semetic and Democrats would be leading the charge.

Yuup. They'd pass a law forcing the spice to flow and override any veto. It would completely cripple any chance he could do any good for the next two years, risk the presidential election, not to mention get killed in the midterms, etc.

It would feel so awesome for Obama to take a stand on this from a cathartic sense, but in terms of its utilitarian ethics, it would cause more harm than good in the world. Especially considering we'd be looking at a GOP supermajority for the next decade.

 

[titusandronicus]

So what you're saying is, the Palestinians actually want to die? That's a new one. I'm sure the parents are happy and proud that their kids playing on the beach chose to become martyrs.

I didn't say that the Palestinian people want to be killed. I said that the dead are paraded. I can't remember which Vice News Dispatch it is, but you can see footage of dead children being paraded around the street to huge crowds of people with flags.

 

[Summer Haze]

Here is the video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoMFk82UY30

Omfg...this is horrible.

 

[SliceSabre]

Sounds like war, what is Hamas's play here, hope its just a show of force then back to business and go covert? Blood is spilling over at this point...conflict will see its way though to the end

Hamas likes to see civilian casualties like this because they feel it helps their cause in the long run because it makes Israel look bad and makes a portion of the Gaza population sympathize with them.

 

[bonercop]

pretty sure we send aid to Syria (well, groups within) Iraq and Ukraine. Major allies? Not major allies, but you could say we are aligned with all 3.

In all 3 of those cases, aid is given to the opponents of the supposed villains the left is ignoring according to titusandronicus.

 

[zeroOman]

I didn't say that the Palestinian people want to be killed. I said that the dead are paraded. I can't remember which Vice News Dispatch it is, but you can see footage of dead children being paraded around the street to huge crowds of people with flags.

So they want 1000 ppl to move out from there house for 8h and sit where? in the damn street they fuking now how dens these area is and there is old ppl and woman who can't stay out side

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Do people not understand what civilian causalities are? Happens in every conflict. And the blood is on Hamas's hands as they hide weapon caches and command centers in city homes.

Some civilian casualties are probably unavoidable during conflict, yes. This doesn't justify all civilian casualties, and it certainly doesn't justify the conflicts themselves.

The moral hypocrisy of the left when it comes to civilian causalities is sickening as well. When the Syrian government murders thousands of it's own people, they don't care.

Most do.

When ISIS murders Christians and Jews, they don't care.

Most do.

When the Palestinian people are murdered in their thousands outside of Israel and Gaza, they don't care.

Most do.

When the Russians murder Ukrainians, they don't care.

Most do.

All non internationalist, as promoted by the terrorist sympathizing organization Stop the War Coalition.

The Stop the War Coalition, a British organization, isn't a general anti-war movement. It was set up specifically to demonstrate against wars perceived as part of the more general "War on Terror", such as Iraq and Afghanistan. To this group, Israel's actions in Palestine are a particular consequence of the United States' and United Kingdom's actions with regards to the "War on Terror"; and thus something the group should demonstrate against. Other wars, such as the ISIS conflict in Syria and Iraq, are not par of the "War on Terror", as loose a label as that is. This means they are outside of the 'mandate' that the "Stop the War Coalition" has from its members, in the same way you wouldn't expect Greenpeace to protest about predatory landlords. This doesn't mean the members of the Stop the War Coalition don't care about these other wars/conflicts, in the same way that Greenpeace not campaigning against predatory landlords doesn't mean its members don't care about that issue. It just means that pressure groups and political activist groups are more effective when they specialize on a single issue. Many Stop the War Coalition members are probably also involved in organizations which campaign on the other issues you have mentioned.

Secondly, the vast majority of members and leaders of the Stop the War Coalition want nothing to do with terrorist organizations and actively oppose them. Extrapolating from the examples of George Galloway and Kamal Majid, individual members who have been condemned by other participants, to conclude that everyone involved is a "terrorist supporter", is about as ludicrous as claiming that because some Israelis have celebrated the death of innocent Palestinians, therefore all Israelis are bloodthirsty killers. Both of these things are patently false.

But when Israel causes civilian causalities after defend itself from the thousands of rockets fired over the past two weeks? They are murderers and committing apartheid. Stop the War Coalition called for action against Israel. That just shows how ridiculous the left are. All over Twitter and Facebook.

I don't condone Hamas' use of rockets, and think they are in the wrong to do so. However, I'm also capable of noting that the death toll between those killed by Hamas' rockets and those killed by Israeli actions are vastly disproportionate, and that Israel acts from a position of power that should carry with it greater responsibilities. It's difficult to say you're just "defending yourself" when you illegally occupy large swathes of territory and deny the inhabitants any form of autonomy, and the inhabitants of that territory feel they have no resort but to violence. Second, what Israel is doing is exactly apartheid - denying specific elements of its population rights on the basis of their race or religion, and segregating them from the general population in walled communities. It is also exactly murder at the point where civilians are unnecessarily killed - a breach of international law and thus an unlawful killing or murder. Third, those opposing Israel are not necessarily "the left". Outside of America, the Israel-Palestine issue is much less partisan. In the United Kingdom, for example, Israel is seen as widely unfavourable (for example, less favourable than Russia), and the difference in opinion between Labour and Conservative voters is small.

Israel has unfortunately caused civilian causalities. But this David vs. Goliath, the Jews become the Nazis etc. drama played up by the media needs to stop. Israel wants the terrorists dead, Hamas wants every Jewish civilian dead.

Hamas is a product of Israel's actions.

 

[zeroOman]

Hamas likes to see civilian casualties like this because they feel it helps their cause in the long run because it makes Israel look bad and makes a portion of the Gaza population sympathize with them.

https://twitter.com/fdlmtr/status/490822112597123072/photo/1

 

[Chichikov]

Here is the video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoMFk82UY30

You might want to warn people that it's really graphic.
I think it's important that people watch these things, regardless where you sit politically, I think the more people understand what modern weapons does to people, the better, but I can I understand this might be a bit much for some.

 

[Kenshin001]

Do ANY of these groups that you have mentioned have any sort of affiliation or alliance with any Western country? What would protesting against ISIS or Syria achieve when there is no real channel of contact between the Western countries and those groups?

If Syria was an ally of the West or if the ISIS was an ally of the West, you'd see similar protests. Israel IS an ally of the West.

The fact that you've placed Israel in the same company as ISIS and Syria is hilarious.

And civilian casualties of SUCH RIDICULOUS PROPORTIONS are not commonplace in conflicts where one side is supposed to be a well-equipped, democratic force fighting against an ill-prepared militia. Do you see these levels of civilian deaths in Afghanistan or Iraq?

The first battle of Fallujah the civilian death toll was over 500. The second battle of Fallujah the civilian death toll was over 800. People calling for the US or UK to intercede are delusional when those two countries have blood on their hands.

 

[Buzzman]

Hamas likes to see civilian casualties like this because they feel it helps their cause in the long run because it makes Israel look bad and makes a portion of the Gaza population sympathize with them.

The jewish people liked to see genocide like the Holocaust because they feel it helps their cause in the long run because it makes Europe look bad and makes a portion of the Western population sympathize with them.

This is your argument.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

British intelligence Agencys would never support action against Israel, nor would the CIA. This is due to how effective an ally Israel and Mossad is when it comes to stopping terrorist attacks on Western soil.

India would circumvent any action as well, as they buy billions in weapons and technology from the Israelis.

Various British intelligence agencies are already at a loggerhead with Mossad after Mossad agents used falsified British passports to conduct a series of assassinations, and have reduced their interactions with Mossad.

 

[Armoured Titan]

At times like this I wish Superman or Super Saiyans existed.

 

[Tim the Wiz]

I just don't understand this. Unless you assume that EVERYONE in Gaza (women and children included) are firing rockets, why punish them all for the actions of a few?

To be fair, collateral damage has always been part of war. Even campaigns with the supposed moral high-ground (i.e. Hiroshima, Dresden). We're just living in an information age where its ugliness has never been more apparent.

 

[RS4-]

Fuck Israel. Unbelievable that they continue to get away with disgusting things like this.

 

[Cloudy]

It's crazy. Looking at the pics on twitter, most of the dead are women and children. Are they terrorists? This is so wrong

To be fair, collateral damage has always been part of war. Even campaigns with the supposed moral high-ground (i.e. Hiroshima, Dresden). We're just living in an age where its ugliness has never been more apparent.

Is it really collateral damage when most of the victims I see are women and children?

 

[ST2K]

How would that work? Are Hamas meant to stay put - just because - while civilians alone leave?

I imagine they would think that the civilians that are capable of leaving would leave, and Hamas would stay to defend their stuff. It's also probably important for their image to have the fliers out there to show the world and their citizens.

At the end of the day though, the civilians that are unable to get out are simply collateral damage. Absolutely tragic.

 

[Zaptruder]

Fuckin' hell. That's half of plane load of people.

 

[SliceSabre]

https://twitter.com/fdlmtr/status/490822112597123072/photo/1

What do you want me to say. I'm not trying to sound callous but wars sucks and innocent people die in wars all the time and I don't like that anymore than the next person.

The jewish people liked to see genocide like the Holocaust because they feel it helps their cause in the long run because it makes Europe look bad and makes a portion of the Western population sympathize with them.

This is your argument.

The way you arrange that using the Jews during the Holocaust is not nearly the same situation in the least. I'm kinda disgusted you would try to equate the two.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Sorry, could you just quickly point me to the relevant page in that link please? I'm interested but it's 44 pages long, and I don't want to spend all Sunday reading that report!

Page 29. Israel is perceived in the United Kingdom 73% unfavourably, 14% favourably, remainder don't know/no clear opinion.

 

[Kysen]

There will only be peace when one party is gone either the Israelis or the Palestinians. Seems pretty obvious how this is going to turn out. Hamas is simply opting for self destruction at the hands of the Israelis.

 

[jet1911]

Here is the video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoMFk82UY30

Fuck...

 

[Buzzman]

What do you want me to say. I'm not trying to sound callous but wars sucks and innocent people die in wars all the time and I don't like that anymore than the next person.


The way you arrange that using the Jews during the Holocaust is not nearly the same situation in the least. I'm kinda disgusted you would try to equate the two.

You can't really pick both sides of this argument.

 

[QuicheFontaine]

Page 29. Israel is perceived in the United Kingdom 73% unfavourably, 14% favourably, remainder don't know/no clear opinion.

Thanks!

 

[Dr_Boris_Goltz]

My family is Jewish... I hate hearing my dad speak of Israel as though they're morally untouchable.

 

[DonasaurusRex]

To be fair, collateral damage has always been part of war. Even campaigns with the supposed moral high-ground (i.e. Hiroshima, Dresden). We're just living in an information age where its ugliness has never been more apparent.

No such thing as fair, this looks like war, people will die, uniform or not...thats why you dont declare it on a whim, war means people are gonna die till we can't die any more or one of us gets tired of dying.

 

[Real Hero]

To be fair, collateral damage has always been part of war. Even campaigns with the supposed moral high-ground (i.e. Hiroshima, Dresden). We're just living in an information age where its ugliness has never been more apparent.

That doesn't justify slaughter or every civilian death though. This is hardly a war, it's completely one sided.

 

[Winterfang]

At times like this I wish Superman or Super Saiyans existed.

There's a reason Superman and other heroes where created In times of war. We feel so defenseless and just want something that just stops the bloodshed without any political shit.

 

[Espada]

Honestly, this is not surprising. As others have said, Israel is shielded from any consequences from multiple sides (politics, economics, military, media, etc...). The actions on display are what you'd expect from a person or group who can act without accountability.

It doesn't make what's happening any less tragic though, the Palestinian people are fucked and their abusers are painted as righteous and noble around the world.

 

[zeroOman]

Hamas likes to see civilian casualties like this because they feel it helps their cause in the long run because it makes Israel look bad and makes a portion of the Gaza population sympathize with them.

NSFW
https://twitter.com/fdlmtr/status/490822112597123072/photo/1

 

[Roronoa95]

Do people not understand what civilian causalities are? Happens in every conflict. And the blood is on Hamas's hands as they hide weapon caches and command centers in city homes.

Same old, same old.

Do they hide weapons under the sands too ?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...i-strike-kills-four-children-at-a-gaza-beach/

The moral hypocrisy of the left when it comes to civilian causalities is sickening as well. When the Syrian government murders thousands of it's own people, they don't care. When ISIS murders Christians and Jews, they don't care. When the Palestinian people are murdered in their thousands outside of Israel and Gaza, they don't care. When the Russians murder Ukrainians, they don't care. All non internationalist, as promoted by the terrorist sympathizing organization Stop the War Coalition.

And here we go with the dangerous "scale of suffering" argument.
The goal here is not to say "Palestinians death are more important than other oppressed population", I believe that everybody here (or almost) share the same values and simply want to stop the civilians bloodshed.

Plus, having my own government (poor France) supporting this insanity is a good reason to raise my voice.

But when Israel causes civilian causalities after defend itself from the thousands of rockets fired over the past two weeks? They are murderers and committing apartheid. Stop the War Coalition called for action against Israel. That just shows how ridiculous the left are. All over Twitter and Facebook.

So classic, this is how you turn an aggressor into a victim with the Hamas rockets.
Let's just remember that prior this, there is one state illegally colonizing an other one.

Israel has unfortunately caused civilian causalities. But this David vs. Goliath, the Jews become the Nazis etc. drama played up by the media needs to stop. Israel wants the terrorists dead, Hamas wants every Jewish civilian dead.

Well, how do you call a situation when you have one country with one of the most advanced technology and weapons in the world (+ support of the superpowers) colonizing and attacking a population that is surviving via International aid ?

 

[IN&OUT]

Wow. Very unfortunate and sad.

 

[zeroOman]

You might want to warn people that it's really graphic.
I think it's important that people watch these things, regardless where you sit politically, I think the more people understand what modern weapons does to people, the better, but I can I understand this might be a bit much for some.

sorry about that... but there is alot of img coming to my feed some are sad one and other are not

here is pic of ppl moving out of there house, where to?? ppl where they should go to?
https://twitter.com/imNadZ/status/490823081217495040/photo/1

 

[Chinner]

you guys do realise israel are the bad guys in this?

 

[curlyfriski]

What do you want me to say. I'm not trying to sound callous but wars sucks and innocent people die in wars all the time and I don't like that anymore than the next person.


The way you arrange that using the Jews during the Holocaust is not nearly the same situation in the least. I'm kinda disgusted you would try to equate the two.

Dead Palestinians are a part of life, but someone making a Holocaust comparison? That's over the line.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

you guys do realise israel are the bad guys in this?

Ah, the age old question of "should I trust the sage advice of a duck in matters of foreign policy?"

 

[Kuro Madoushi]

you guys do realise israel are the bad guys in this?

Not to the zionists.

 

[Baki]

To be fair, collateral damage has always been part of war. Even campaigns with the supposed moral high-ground (i.e. Hiroshima, Dresden). We're just living in an information age where its ugliness has never been more apparent.

It's not a war. It's an occupation.

 

[jakonovski]

This is a war where only one side has an army.

 

[Chinner]

Ah, the age old question of "should I trust the sage advice of a duck in matters of foreign policy?"

i'm actually william hague.

 

[Tim the Wiz]

It's crazy. Looking at the pics on twitter, most of the dead are women and children. Are they terrorists? This is so wrong



Is it really collateral damage when most of the victims I see are women and children?

That doesn't justify slaughter or every civilian death though. This is hardly a war, it's completely one sided.

I'm not saying these acts aren't evil, but war is always a game of lesser evils. And each side believes they are the lesser evil.

Obviously, the Israeli government's disproportionate and indiscriminate use of force (never mind its tacit support of settlements) isn't helping its claim.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

i'm actually william hague.

I'm so sorry, I didn't know. Is there a cure?

 

[Rocket Scientist]

Here is the video....

be warn there is some dead ppl in the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoMFk82UY30

That's the one yes. Al Jazeera showed it. I want to see this on western channels.

 

[Omiee]

People tend to forget that no rockets were fired from gaza after the agreement in 2012 yet israel killed people and bombed gaza several times and breached the agreement.

its only normal hamas react

 

[BradC00]

The first battle of Fallujah the civilian death toll was over 500. The second battle of Fallujah the civilian death toll was over 800. People calling for the US or UK to intercede are delusional when those two countries have blood on their hands.

Don't put the 2nd battle of Fallujah in the same context as what is going on in Gaza. The entire city was controlled by thousands of insurgents who had fortified themselves expecting an attack. The coalition had given the city ample time to evacuate the city and most did leave. The fact that only roughly 800 civilians died is a testament to how careful the armed forces of the US are, considering pretty much every single building was booby trapped (front doors and rough entrances) and the roads were lined with jersey barricades forcing choke points into alleys riddled with IEDs.

But I guess in a perfect world you can negotiate with people who like to send women, children, and the mentally retarded with explosive vests into market places.

Anyways, there's innocent blood on the hands of every civilization, and if there isn't yet, there will be in the future.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

you guys do realise israel are the bad guys in this?

It sounds like both sides are crazy to me.

 

[Ashes]

Who is terrorising who?
Do I believe my eyes and ears,
Or their deeds and arguments?
Should I refrain from laying
Blame on the state, its sponsors,
Its backers, its friends; oh
My mind is befuddled, when
My government, in its comments,
supporting the 'good guys' asks
This benovelent state to restrain
Itself; to be merciful, as the
Dead lie sleeping, their family
Fleeing homes in terror.

 

[Sharpeye]

It sounds like both sides are crazy to me.

I sadly agree on this, the only way i see peace in this is for one side to take over the other. Peace through deplomacy is a failure when it comes to these two, war is horribly the only chance they got at peace abd alot of innocents are going to die in it.