2014 Israel-Gaza Conflict [UN: 1,525+ Palestinian dead, mostly civilian; 66 Israeli]

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ArkhamFantasy said:
It sounds like both sides are crazy to me.
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Hamas is a batshit insane organisation, but the kill toll that Israel is accumulating as retaliation is inexcusable in any sane way.

Plus, Israel is pretty much acting as enabler since a long time.

The West Bank Palestinians are treated like second grade citizens, still getting evicted, and their homes destroyed for new settlements.

And this pretty much works for the government in a perfect way.

Treat west bank like shit -> Gaza elects Hamas as reaction (the alternative is West Bank like "peace") -> Gaza gets fucked because of Hamas.
 
All the rockets ever fired by Palestine add up to 28 dead Israeli's, apparently. Israel have murdered about 15 times as many Palestinians as that in the last 2 weeks. Fuck Israel, and fuck the USA for allowing it to happen.
 
Hellraizer said:
Hamas is a batshit insane organisation, but the kill toll that Israel is accumulating as retaliation is inexcusable in any sane way.

Plus, Israel is pretty much acting as enabler since a long time.

The West Bank Palestinians are treated like second grade citizens, still getting evicted, and their homes destroyed for new settlements.

And this pretty much works for the government in a perfect way.

Treat west bank like shit -> Gaza elects Hamas as reaction (the alternative is West Bank like "peace") -> Gaza gets fucked because of Hamas.
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It is like a perpetual cycle of shit. Hamas fires rockets, Israel retaliates and oppresses Gaza, Hammas fires rockets in retaliation, rinse and repeat. I mean this is an oversimplification of course...

There are no easy answers. They seem to be targeting women and children which is inexcusable, I can't get my head around why they would do that unless they suspect Hamas hiding amongst them.
 
Nicktendo86 said:
It is like a perpetual cycle of shit. Hamas fires rockets, Israel retaliates and oppresses Gaza, Hammas fires rockets in retaliation, rinse and repeat. I mean this is an oversimplification of course...

There are no easy answers. They seem to be targeting women and children which is inexcusable, I can't get my head around why they would do that unless they suspect Hamas hiding amongst them.
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Why wouldn't they do it? Do Israel even see Palestinians as being human? They seem to have learnt nothing from their own past.
 
Nicktendo86 said:
]It is like a perpetual cycle of shit. Hamas fires rockets[/B], Israel retaliates and oppresses Gaza, Hammas fires rockets in retaliation, rinse and repeat. I mean this is an oversimplification of course...

There are no easy answers. They seem to be targeting women and children which is inexcusable, I can't get my head around why they would do that unless they suspect Hamas hiding amongst them.
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NO not always Hamas send rocket first Israel keep doing shitty stuff like killing someone from Hamas or taking some land or House demolition cuz they want to expand there settlement.
 
I just saw a pic of 2 decapitated kids on twitter. These pictures are really upsetting but I hope they have some kind of impact
 
If you follow twitter on this thing, it becomes clear how strongly certain narratives are pushed in Israel. Almost every single Israeli tweeter talks about Hamas using women and children as human shields. They all firmly believe that the IDF would not be killing innocents if it wasn't for Hamas purposefully putting them in the line of fire.

Despite there being very little place to hide for anyone in a place as densely populated as Gaza and despite events like the beach bombing which clearly shows this not to be the case. Really shows the power of state propaganda.
 
kobashi100 said:
while the leaders in turkey, Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi sit back and do nothing.

the military power is clearly there the but leadership are a bunch of cowards.

Israel commit these massacres as they know there will be no come back. Instead the Arab countries are Israel's first line of defense.
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The military power isn't there, Turkey is the only capable threat among those you listed, and expecting them to go to war with Israel is a bit much. I'm not sure why you listed Pakistan, what ability do they have to project power in the Mediterranean coast?
 
bkfount said:
Wonder why Israel just doesn't take it all when they're allowed to get away with stuff like this.
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There is an argument that this is a restrained response. One shudders to think what the tally would be if there were no pressure being applied to Israel behind doors.
 
Basileus777 said:
The military power isn't there, Turkey is the only capable threat among those you listed, and expecting them to go to war with Israel is a bit much. I'm not sure why you listed Pakistan, what ability do they have to project power in the Mediterranean coast?
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The only advantage they have is the right amount of crazy to use nuclear bombs.
 
Joni said:
The only advantage they have is the right amount of crazy to use nuclear bombs.
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And that Israel's neighbors are mostly unstable internally and in little position to invade even if they were capable of posing military threat. Which they mostly aren't.
 
How come the Palestinians don't kill Hamas or at least give them up to Israel? They all must know that Hamas instigates so why don't they deal with them harshly, themselves? I mean, it's to the point where either you kill Hamas, or Israel kills everyone.
 
kobashi100 said:
while the leaders in turkey, Pakistan, Egypt and Saudi sit back and do nothing.

the military power is clearly there the but leadership are a bunch of cowards.

Israel commit these massacres as they know there will be no come back. Instead the Arab countries are Israel's first line of defense.
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The Egyptian government and many Egyptian people hate Hamas because of their links to the Muslim Brotherhood. There is a popular hashtag "The Enemy's Name is Hamas" used by Egyptian twitter users.
 
Ashes said:
What did you think you would see?
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Doesn't matter what I think I would see, people need to give NSFW/NSFL warning before posting links to pictures of dead children. It's as simple as that.

zeroOman said:
they are hashtag not img...
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They are images. I just clicked your links and saw images of dead children. I'm pretty desensitized to that stuff, but others aren't, you should take that into consideration before posting links and give a warning. I know you just want to raise awareness for these terrible acts against civilians, but giving a warning takes less than a second to do so.
 
Coins said:
How come the Palestinians don't kill Hamas or at least give them up to Israel? They all must know that Hamas instigates so why don't they deal with them harshly, themselves? I mean, it's to the point where either you kill Hamas, or Israel kills everyone.
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What would change if Hamas disbanded tomorrow.
 
Lukas Japonicus said:
They are images. I just clicked your links and saw images of dead children. I'm pretty desensitized to that stuff, but others aren't, you should take that into consideration before posting links and give a warning. It's not hard to do so.
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I think, you don't know how twitter works.
 
Coins said:
How come the Palestinians don't kill Hamas or at least give them up to Israel? They all must know that Hamas instigates so why don't they deal with them harshly, themselves? I mean, it's to the point where either you kill Hamas, or Israel kills everyone.
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Maybe they would if Israel didn't do stuff like this? Why would you help people who are killing your children and destroying your homes? Unless Israel wants to kill them all, they are just breeding more radicalized Palestinians with these operations...
 
jakonovski said:
Yeah, them Pakistanis nuclear bombing everyone. It's crazy out there!
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It has only been a little over 10 years since they threathened to use their arsenal. Also one of two countries that really have nukes (so no North Korea, Iran) that refuses to sign the NPT.
 
zeroOman said:
Cuz some ppl thought they would see some colorful thing in these hashtag so...

WARNING, EXTREMELY GRAPHIC in these hashtag
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I FULLY SUPPORT you raising awareness. All I'm saying is that you HAVE to warn people before provided those sorts of images. For all they know, you could be posting pictures of people with guns in the streets, bullet-ridden buildings/ vehicles, bombed roads, which wouldn't really require a warning. They have no way of knowing they will see children without heads upon clicking those links. There's no reason to be sarcastic.
 
Lukas Japonicus said:
Doesn't matter what I think I would see, people need to give NSFW/NSFL warning before posting links to pictures of dead children. It's as simple as that.



They are images. I just clicked your links and saw images of dead children. I'm pretty desensitized to that stuff, but others aren't, you should take that into consideration before posting links and give a warning. I know you just want to raise awareness for these terrible acts against civilians, but giving a warning takes less than a second to do so.
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Nvm sorry about the img and I should have write more about the hashtag
 
Just woken up and read this thread. I feel sick to my stomach.


Those fliers are unbelievable. "Leave your homes and do as we say if you don't want us to kill you"
 
Joni said:
It has only been a little over 10 years since they threathened to use their arsenal. Also one of two countries that really have nukes (so no North Korea, Iran) that refuses to sign the NPT.
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Which is pretty much identical to Israel's publicly secret nuke situation.
 
Cloudy said:
Maybe they would if Israel didn't do stuff like this? Why would you help people who are killing your children and destroying your homes? Unless Israel wants to kill them all, they are just breeding more radicalized Palestinians with these operations...
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I think at this point you help so they will stop killing women and children.

It's too late to argue who is right or wrong. Palestinians are going to get crushed unless they give up all Hamas members.
 
Kenshin001 said:
The Egyptian government and many Egyptian people hate Hamas because of their links to the Muslim Brotherhood. There is a popular hashtag "The Enemy's Name is Hamas" used by Egyptian twitter users.
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U are wrong some are mad cuz if the dead soldier who died last Ramadan in rafah... which the media there link it to Hamas with no prof of these allegation.
 
zeroOman said:
And I did say if u want to see more img... which are bad, cuz the topic is a about the massacre in east Gaza...
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Listen, friend, I'm not arguing with you, and i FULLY support you raising awareness against crimes against civilians. All I'm asking is for you to give warning before posting gory pictures. Some people aren't mentally prepared before clicking links like those. They have no way of knowing how gory the pictures in those links are going to be without a warning beforehand.

"more IMG" could mean anything. Images of totally non-gory aspects of the conflict.
 
Coins said:
I think at this point you help so they will stop killing women and children.

It's too late to argue who is right or wrong. Palestinians are going to get crushed unless they give up all Hamas members.
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Holy shit good job labelling all Palestinians as Hama's sympathizers. Don't you think most of them just want a peaceful life where their lives aren't in danger every day?
 
Ashes said:
Again, what evidence do you have to suggest this?
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I guess since there's no evidence to support this, Israel should just keep killing. Ok, then . Lol.

It's pretty fucking simple. Israel wants Hamas dead. Israel will kill anyone to make Hamas dead. Better to kill Hamas yourself since you know who they are then let Israel wholesale kill.

It's war.
 
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