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[werks]

Hamas was stopped from using that method by closing the border and walls and other defensive measures, then moved on to rockets and kidnappings. And how much would you trust a group that did that? Is this a serious question?

How can you trust Israel? They just attacked hospitals, shelters and parks to only inflict civilian casualties. I love how you have ignored all the war crimes by the IDF. Any chance you are getting an educational grant for your valiant efforts?

 

[GYODX]

1. The arab armies were decimated, how were they at that point at an indefensible position.

2. Even if your argument is taken into consideration for it being a indefensible position, how are they STILL in an indefensible position. Why not go back today?




thats exactly what I wrote. Israel took the land it invaded during the preemeptive strike and still has it. it has not gone back. that is the crux of the modern issue of land rights.

Decimated because Israel attacked preemptively and caught them with their pants down.

If Israel had just sat around and waited for the Arabs to start the war to their liking, Israel would have been in a much harder position. Compare it to the Yom Kippur War, where Egypt was much more successful despite the fact that Israel was in control of the Sinai. Heck, some Egyptians still see this war as a 'victory'.

You should watch a documentary or two on the Six-Day War if you haven't already. It's pretty fascinating.

And the reason Israel has yet to give back either the Golan Heights or the Palestinian territories is because it has yet to negotiate a peace treaty with either the Syrians or the Palestinians. I thought that was pretty clear when I said they conceded the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt for the sake of peace.

 

[Buzzman]

Hamas was stopped from using that method by closing the border and walls and other defensive measures, then moved on to rockets and kidnappings. And how much would you trust a group that did that? Is this a serious question?

Question is why did they stop? It's not like they value life any more then in the past. They still appreciate the myrtar system. Most likely they "stopped" because Israel cracked down on it's defense of the boarders. I am sure if they could they still would try to blow up civilians with an IED, but so far they have to rely on blindly shooting rockets.

 

[Maninthemirror]

FALSE.
Israel offered to give the land back to Jordan (Yes, Israel took the land from JORDAN in 1967) and Jordan refused.

Israel offered the land to Jordan, Jordan didnt want Palestinians as an ethnic group in their land and Palestinians wanted an Independent nation, they did NOT want to be part of another nation. This is itself the 2 state solution, Palestine and Israel, Not Jordan and Palestine.

 

[Kinitari]

This is incorrect:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...2d1d9e-1284-11e4-8936-26932bcfd6ed_story.html

What did I say in my post that was incorrect?

Look at the post I replied to, they mentioned how Gaza smuggled in extra concrete even with a blockade, and my post is saying that the tunnels are not a justification for the blockade. I even said that many of the tunnels are used to conduct attacks on Israel in the middle of the post?

Edit: Ah the tunnels specifically going into Israel, I understand. No, I don't think those are being used to smuggle, at least I don't know if they are. I misread the post and I assumed the poster was talking about all the tunnels in general.

 

[maharg]

Decimated because Israel attacked preemptively and caught them with their pants down.

If Israel had just sat around and waited for the Arabs to start the war to their liking, Israel would have been in a much harder position. Compare it to the Yom Kippur War, where Egypt was much more successful despite the fact that Israel was in control of the Sinai. Heck, some Egyptians still see this war as a 'victory'.

You should watch a documentary or two on the Six-Day War if you haven't already. It's pretty fascinating.

And the reason Israel has yet to give back either the Golan Heights or the Palestinian territories is because it has yet to negotiate a peace treaty with either the Syrians or the Palestinians. I thought that was pretty clear when I said they conceded the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt for the sake of peace.

It'd be easier to believe the only thing standing in the way of Israel giving the rest of Palestine to the Palistinians was a peace treaty if they hadn't, you know, peppered it with settlements pretty much from the moment they got it. And this all assumes that it's something they could only earn through a trade and not something that is rightfully theirs and is being kept from them (along with the basic dignity of human rights).

 

[collige]

Before the election of Hamas was like 10 years ago. Hamas started a suicide bombing campaign after Oslo, for example, among other acts of not-niceness. So yes you'd tend to want to ... stop that. And no you'd not want to let people in and out of your borders that may do that, so checkpoints and finally closing the border, walls, iron dome and everything else. i.e. defensive measures not aggressors.

So you're saying that the only way that Israel could protect itself from suicide bombings was to totally restrict the movement of over 2 million people while simultaneously taking a massive shit on Gaza's economy via the blockade?

 

[Buzzati]

Even with the blockade, Hamas still managed to get 600,000 tons of concrete to build its tunnels into Israel. Think about that next time you try to claim the blockade doesn't let Hamas build bomb shelters for its civilians.

Israel permits concrete to enter for UNRWA projects, but not for Gazans engaged in the huge reconstruction needs. The limited heavy equipment mostly lies idle, since Israel does not permit materials for repair. All of this is part of the general program described by Israeli official Dov Weisglass, an adviser to the late Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, after Palestinians failed to follow orders in the 2006 elections: He said, “The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.”


The result of the diet? Mideast scholar Juan Cole says about ten percent of Palestinian children in Gaza under 5 have had their growth stunted by malnutrition ... anemia is widespread, affecting over two-thirds of infants, 58.6 percent of schoolchildren, and over a third of pregnant mothers. The US and Israel want to ensure that nothing more than bare survival is possible.

 

[Goliath]

Not sure what your trying to say with just this image. Obviously it's not just the building of the wall but I am sure a lot of IDF improvements that impacted Hamas ineffectiveness to terrorize Israel but so far all this shows is that as the wall started being built suicide bombing reduced.

 

[GYODX]

It'd be easier to believe the only thing standing in the way of Israel giving the rest of Palestine to the Palistinians was a peace treaty if they hadn't, you know, peppered it with settlements pretty much from the moment they got it. And this all assumes that it's something they could only earn through a trade and not something that is rightfully theirs and is being kept from them (along with the basic dignity of human rights).

Both the Sinai and Gaza had Jewish settlements. As far as I'm concerned, the only place Israel has made clear it is not willing to part with is East Jerusalem. Most if not all of the rest of the settlements in the West Bank would likely be evacuated (forcefully if needed) in a future peace agreement, as was the case in the 2005 unilateral disengagement from Gaza.

 

[Giant Panda]

Both the Sinai and Gaza had Jewish settlements. As far as I'm concerned, the only place Israel has made clear it is not willing to part with is East Jerusalem. Most if not all of the rest of the settlements in the West Bank would likely be evacuated (forcefully if needed) in a future peace agreement, as was the case in the 2005 unilateral disengagement from Gaza.

In all of the recent negotiations Israel has made it clear they would only accept a deal where they got to keep most of their large settlements in the West Bank.

 

[Quotient]

In all of the recent negotiations Israel has made it clear they would only accept a deal where they got to keep most of their large settlements in the West Bank.

The large settlements are all around E Jerusalem.

 

[maharg]

Both the Sinai and Gaza had Jewish settlements. As far as I'm concerned, the only place Israel has made clear it is not willing to part with is East Jerusalem. Most if not all of the rest of the settlements in the West Bank would likely be evacuated (forcefully if needed) in a future peace agreement, as was the case in the 2005 unilateral disengagement from Gaza.

There's really no evidence to believe that this is something Israel is or has ever been prepared to do. Settlement activity in Gaza was relatively limited compared to the West Bank. And when Sinai was handed to the Egyptians settlement had been going on for much less time. There are multi-generational settlements in the West Bank now.

Also, every peace proposal I'm aware of from Israel in recent times has included annexing large, often dividing, portions of the West Bank in order to keep some of the settlements there.

And I say this again as I've said it a thousand times before: If Israel wanted a two-state solution and felt the settlements were an impediment to them, there is no reason to wait for a peace treaty to do it. If they're wrong for the eventual solution that's seen as correct, they're wrong now.

 

[Buzzman]

Not sure what your trying to say with just this image. Obviously it's not just the building of the wall but I am sure a lot of IDF improvements that impacted Hamas ineffectiveness to terrorize Israel but so far all this shows is that as the wall started being built suicide bombing reduced.

A 90% reduction in suicide bombings well before even half the wall was complete.
Do you really think that people who are willing to die for their cause are going to be stopped by a half-finished wall?

 

[Goliath]

It'd be easier to believe the only thing standing in the way of Israel giving the rest of Palestine to the Palistinians was a peace treaty if they hadn't, you know, peppered it with settlements pretty much from the moment they got it. And this all assumes that it's something they could only earn through a trade and not something that is rightfully theirs and is being kept from them (along with the basic dignity of human rights).

Palestine has always belonged to someone. There is no "rightfully theirs" about it. This is the closest they have ever been to being self governed. As for the settlements I am pretty sure Israel has already shown by pulling out settlers in Gaza that they have no problem pulling out settlements. What they don't want is an agressive country that has a habit of suicide attacks, condemning all Jews to death, kidnapping, etc. to be living right next door to them having the abilty to form an army win munitions.

I am surprised people don't understand this. Do you think the U.S. would have pulled out of Iraq after we tore up the government, settled it and destabalized the area if Iraq was in proximity to us like Mexico. Heck no. We would still be running things there EXACTLY like Israel to insure U.S's safety and the U.S citizens would demand it, like they demand immediate action on the 50,000 kids refugees that some label as criminals and disease infested people.

People don't know what it's like to live so close to so many countries that have unstable governments and a habit of killing or at best expelling Jews for being Jews. We are lucky. Iraq isn't next door and we can leave and watch it go down the drain while forgetting about it completly as we watch our "reality TV".

 

[Joni]

Do you really think that people who are willing to die for their cause are going to be stopped by a half-finished wall?

Especially if they are supposed to have so many tunnels into Israel.

 

[Goliath]

A 90% reduction in suicide bombings well before even half the wall was complete.
Do you really think that people who are willing to die for their cause are going to be stopped by a half-finished wall?

Do you have any clue what other actions went on during the time of building the wall? Do you think they just had construction workers all alone building the wall so Hamas could just come up and blow up next to them?

Most likely the IDF was there in FORCE making sure that NOBODY could get anywhere near the construction area or even the boarder for that matter. Then when the wall was fully built they could relax the amount of IDF they had on the boarder because the wall did the bulk of the work.

Basically that graph only shows a reduction in suicide bombings as the IDF got further along building the wall. Sounds to me like there was an obvious effect even if it just forced Hamas to changed their tactics.

Especially if they are supposed to have so many tunnels into Israel.

Again, a crack down on the boarder would significantly impact all of these things. Just like how currently they are finding and destroying many of these tunnels that might have been there for a while because IDF is in full force on the boarder.

 

[RustyNails]

I want to address so many things but I am caught up with work and eid stuff.

 

[maharg]

Palestine has always belonged to someone. There is no "rightfully theirs" about it. This is the closest they have ever been to being self governed. As for the settlements I am pretty sure Israel has already shown by pulling out settlers in Gaza that they have no problem pulling out settlements. What they don't want is an agressive country that has a habit of suicide attacks, condemning all Jews to death, kidnapping, etc. to be living right next door to them having the abilty to form an army win munitions.

I am surprised people don't understand this. Do you think the U.S. would have pulled out of Iraq after we tore up the government, settled it and destabalized the area if Iraq was in proximity to us like Mexico. Heck no. We would still be running things there EXACTLY like Israel to insure U.S's safety and the U.S citizens would demand it, like they demand immediate action on the 50,000 kids refugees that some label as criminals and disease infested people.

People don't know what it's like to live so close to so many countries that have unstable governments and a habit of killing or at best expelling Jews for being Jews. We are lucky. Iraq isn't next door and we can leave and watch it go down the drain while forgetting about it completly as we watch our "reality TV".

Again, if Israel is willing to pull out of the settlements, why don't they? They undermine any lasting peace at every turn. Why should this wait until there's peace unless the settlements are literally being used as a weapon to ensure compliance? And how is that something that implies a willing partner in peace?

As for it being 'rightfully theirs', the fact that they were oppressed before does not justify oppression now. At the moment it's rightfully theirs because they're there and they're under a military occupation with no civil law and severely limited human rights. They have a right to self-determination that is being restricted. If Israel were willing to grant them full citizenship and/or any serious devolution of power that would be one thing, but as is they sit under an eternal limbo that no one would, or should, tolerate.

 

[Dash27]

What did I say in my post that was incorrect?

Look at the post I replied to, they mentioned how Gaza smuggled in extra concrete even with a blockade, and my post is saying that the tunnels are not a justification for the blockade. I even said that many of the tunnels are used to conduct attacks on Israel in the middle of the post?

Edit: Ah the tunnels specifically going into Israel, I understand. No, I don't think those are being used to smuggle, at least I don't know if they are. I misread the post and I assumed the poster was talking about all the tunnels in general.

Right your edit was what I was getting at. I admit I didnt distinguish between the two either until I read that WaPo article.

 

[zer0blivion]

From Gaza: I Would Rather Die in Dignity Than Agree to Living in an Open-Air Prison
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5627590?utm_hp_ref=tw

"We don't target civilians," Israel tells us. "You're simply lying" should be a sane person's response to these, at best, baseless claims. Israel does target civilians with its sophisticated high-precision weapons, hence the over 1,000 deaths in Gaza so far, 80 percent of whom are civilians, according to human rights groups. Over 200 children have been killed, some charred, others decapitated and many disemboweled. Israeli warships have killed four young children from Bakr family playing on the beach in broad daylight, an incident witnessed by NBC's reporter in Gaza Ayman Mohyedin. A sniper killed a distressed young man looking for his lost cousin amongst the debris in the wake of its unspeakable massacre in Al Shujayeh.

Its unmanned drones killed two young brothers from Areef family with a missile while they were on their way to buy yogurt for their breakfast. In another incident, it fired missiles at and killed three children feeding their pigeons and chickens on the roof of their building. Israel has dropped thousands of tons of explosives on one of the world's most densely populated areas, killing 26 members from Abu Jame' family in one airstrike, 20 members from Al Najjar family, 18 from Al Batsh family, nine from Al Qassas family, 7 from Al Keilani family, 8 from Kaware' family, five from Hamad family and on and on. These are the stories we hear as we wait death in the comfort of our home.

A ceasefire might be negotiated and agreed upon. Hamas might soon stop firing rockets, but then will Israel cease to exercise its violence against Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank on a daily basis? The reality is that if Palestinians stop resisting, Israel won't stop occupying, as its leaders repeatedly affirm. The besieged Jews of the Warsaw ghetto had a motto "to live and die in dignity." As I sit in my own besieged ghetto, I think how Palestinians have honored this universal value. We live in dignity and we die in dignity, refusing to accept subjugation.

 

[Goliath]

Again, if Israel is willing to pull out of the settlements, why don't they? They undermine any lasting peace at every turn. Why should this wait until there's peace unless the settlements are literally being used as a weapon to ensure compliance? And how is that something that implies a willing partner in peace?

I am against the illegal settlements. I think they should real those extremists in. However I don't think that would stop the hatred. I mean, heck the U.S. became a terrorist target because we came to aid Kuwait during Desert Storm.

If it's a Holy war with unrealistic ideology and ignorant followers then it's doomed. I think Israel should invest in Gaza and West Bank. Try to build buisnesses there and give people work/education. However I don't know how realistic that is. Would these people just be in danger or killed for working there? Hamas has no problem killing their civilians if they feel they are not good for the cause.

 

[Dai101]

Photos: Across the U.S., thousands continue to march in solidarity with Gaza

Amidst all the horrific news from Gaza, one encouraging development has been the depth, breadth, and persistence of mass opposition to the Israeli onslaught. Annie Robbins is regularly updating her extraordinary compilation of images of marches and rallies from around the world. This post focuses on actions in the U.S. in recent days. We will continue to update this one, too, so please send images or links about other actions, large or small, to henrynorr@gmail.com.

More pictures and videos @ http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/thousands-continue-solidarity.html

 

[Dash27]

So you're saying that the only way that Israel could protect itself from suicide bombings was to totally restrict the movement of over 2 million people while simultaneously taking a massive shit on Gaza's economy via the blockade?

Well that or magic. You tell me how to stop it. Or better yet tell me why Israel should let anyone into Israel after that other than with extreme checks? Hamas took a shit on the economy by using international funds for weapons and tunnels. Weapons via Iran and Syria by water routes thus a blockade.

But my real point was how funny it sounded to say "Well that was 10 years ago!" . Imagine if Al Qaeda wanted to hang out in Canada right above the US, somehow got elected to office and said they want access into the US. 9/11 was like forever ago! Get over it!

 

[BeatResetsTheWorld]

Photos: Across the U.S., thousands continue to march in solidarity with Gaza

Beautiful picture

 

[Buzzman]

Do you have any clue what other actions went on during the time of building the wall? Do you think they just had construction workers all alone building the wall so Hamas could just come up and blow up next to them?

Most likely the IDF was there in FORCE making sure that NOBODY could get anywhere near the construction area or even the boarder for that matter. Then when the wall was fully built they could relax the amount of IDF they had on the boarder because the wall did the bulk of the work.

Basically that graph only shows a reduction in suicide bombings as the IDF got further along building the wall. Sounds to me like there was an obvious effect even if it just forced Hamas to changed their tactics.


Again, a crack down on the boarder would significantly impact all of these things. Just like how currently they are finding and destroying many of these tunnels that might have been there for a while because IDF is in full force on the boarder.

Why hasn't there been a single suicide bombing during this whole conflict if they just stopped because of "security measures"?

 

[maharg]

I am against the illegal settlements. I think they should real those extremists in. However I don't think that would stop the hatred. I mean, heck the U.S. became a terrorist target because we came to aid Kuwait during Desert Storm.

If it's a Holy war with unrealistic ideology and ignorant followers then it's doomed. I think Israel should invest in Gaza and West Bank. Try to build buisnesses there and give people work/education. However I don't know how realistic that is. Would these people just be in danger or killed for working there? Hamas has no problem killing their civilians if they feel they are not good for the cause.

Time after time, one of the demands of the Palestinians is to stop the settlements and remove them. Time after time we're told that Israel will do that, but only if Palestinians meet every one of their demands. To argue that they're not a sticking point in the negotiation is completely disingenuous. It doesn't matter that removing them is only a first step -- it remains THE first step Israel has to take to make a lasting peace, and every day they continue the process of fracturing the West Bank is another day away from peace, regardless of how much longer the road is after that.

Thus, Israel is using the settlements as a means to control negotiation to their own ends, which absolutely do not appear to involve a return to the 67 borders. There's nothing in Israel's actions going back at least 20 years to suggest they have any intentions of returning the West Bank to the people who live in it under their occupation intact. And that's, frankly, repugnant.

As is the idea that only an eternal occupation can keep the teeming masses of Arabs from wiping Israel off the map. Talk about human shields, this belief implies that all the millions of people living in Palestine are human shields against the Arab world.

 

[Maninthemirror]

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/israel-us-aid-hamas-harry-reid-109452.html

Harry Reid: Israel needs more of our aid for military and we should give it and in fact give them more than what they asked for




Its interesting. The US congress can't fund or can't come up with an idea of how to fund programs which protect minorities and middle class in the United States and they leap over one another to vote yes to any funding and in fact ask for even more to give to Israel.

 

[zeroOman]

I am against the illegal settlements. I think they should real those extremists in. However I don't think that would stop the hatred. I mean, heck the U.S. became a terrorist target because we came to aid Kuwait during Desert Storm.

If it's a Holy war with unrealistic ideology and ignorant followers then it's doomed. I think Israel should invest in Gaza and West Bank. Try to build buisnesses there and give people work/education. However I don't know how realistic that is. Would these people just be in danger or killed for working there? Hamas has no problem killing their civilians if they feel they are not good for the cause.

That is big word mate.... don't say something that isn't true.. all the ppl in Hamas have family and children in Gaza.

 

[Hackworth]

We need more of this in general.

Why hasn't there been a single suicide bombing during this whole conflict if they just stopped because of "security measures"?

Obviously IDF practice of sniping random civilians has forced the suicide bombers to keep their heads down.
Before anyone asks: I'm not serious, just preempting IDF-Gaf.

 

[yarden24]

Why hasn't there been a single suicide bombing during this whole conflict if they just stopped because of "security measures"?

because no one from gaza can get to israel, how will they commit suicide bombings if they can not get into Israel?

the whole point of the destroying of the tunnels dug into Israel is to continue not letting anyone enter Israel.

 

[Dai101]

https://twitter.com/unrwausa/status/493853310601146372

 

[M.D]

Why hasn't there been a single suicide bombing during this whole conflict if they just stopped because of "security measures"?

Did you miss multiple attempts by gunman from Gaza to enter Israel by tunnels and sea (including one earlier today), and an attempt to get a car filled with explosives into Israel from the West Bank?

 

[equippedwithtowel]

Well that or magic. You tell me how to stop it. Or better yet tell me why Israel should let anyone into Israel after that other than with extreme checks? Hamas took a shit on the economy by using international funds for weapons and tunnels. Weapons via Iran and Syria by water routes thus a blockade.

But my real point was how funny it sounded to say "Well that was 10 years ago!" . Imagine if Al Qaeda wanted to hang out in Canada right above the US, somehow got elected to office and said they want access into the US. 9/11 was like forever ago! Get over it!

Well if you were planning on annexing Toronto we might not put up that much of a fight.

 

[Chariot]

https://twitter.com/unrwausa/status/493853310601146372

Oh wow O_O

 

[werks]

https://twitter.com/unrwausa/status/493853310601146372

No shit. At this point you can't call IDF's targeting of hospital and shelters a miatake, its their policy.

 

[werks]

But as long as the IDF Astroturfers keep yelling Hamas, it should absolve the IDF of war crimes.

 

[Buba Big Guns]

https://twitter.com/unrwausa/status/493853310601146372

Holy fuck.

It is so fucking sad knowing Israel with never have to pay for their crimes.

 

[maharg]

Well if you were planning on annexing Toronto we might not put up that much of a fight.

Also Canada might be more likely to elect a virulantly anti-American party if, you know, we'd never seen a day of freedom in our history and the US was occupying us under military law.

 

[zer0blivion]

Meanwhile in Tel Aviv, “Gaza is a graveyard,” sing joyful Israeli youths
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/gaza-graveyard-sing-joyful-israeli-youths

The words of the repulsive song have been translated for The Electronic Intifada by Dena Shunra:

Tibi – Ahmed Tibi
I wanted you to know
The next kid to be hurt will be your kid
I hate Tibi
I hate Tibi the terrorist.
Tibi – is dead!
Tibi – is dead!
Tibi – is dead!

Tibi is a terrorist.
Tibi is a terrorist.
Tibi is a terrorist.

They’ll take their papers away.
They’ll take their papers away.
They’ll take their papers away.
Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé
In Gaza there’s no studying
No children are left there,
Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé,

[Three lines, not entirely clear]

Who is getting nervous, I hear?
Zoabi, this here is the Land of Israel
This here is the Land of Israel, Zoabi
This here is the Land of the Jews
I hate you, I do, Zoabi
I hate all the Arabs.
Oh-oh-oh-oh
Gaza is a graveyard
Gaza is a graveyard
Gaza is a graveyard
Gaza is a graveyard

Can anyone confirm the accuracy of the translation?
לא נשארו שם ילדים: פעילי הימין בהפגנה בתל אביב, שבת ה-26.7.2014
http://youtu.be/l7Jj_Oe7uQc

Israelis in Tel Aviv 26.7.2014: "There's no school tomorrow,there's no children left in Gaza! Oleh!"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h7qFACSfd_k

 

[Lowmelody]

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/israel-us-aid-hamas-harry-reid-109452.html

Harry Reid: Israel needs more of our aid for military and we should give it and in fact give them more than what they asked for




Its interesting. The US congress can't fund or can't come up with an idea of how to fund programs which protect minorities and middle class in the United States and they leap over one another to vote yes to any funding and in fact ask for even more to give to Israel.

As an American I'm convinced this country is broken beyond repair, absolutely to it's core.

 

[equippedwithtowel]

Also Canada might be more likely to elect a virulantly anti-American party if, you know, we'd never seen a day of freedom in our history and the US was occupying us under military law.

Much more accurate than my comment. On a semi-related note I'm ashamed that the opposition in our country hasn't tried to counter the pro-Israel rhetoric coming out of Harper and Baird in light of events.

 

[Dai101]

Much more accurate than my comment. On a semi-related note I'm ashamed that the opposition in our country hasn't tried to counter the pro-Israel rhetoric coming out of Harper and Baird in light of events.

https://campaigns.amnesty.org/actions/us-stop-arming-israel?linkId=9034471

I'm sure yesterday i saw one against harper and baird too, let me find it.

 

[Quotient]

https://campaigns.amnesty.org/actions/us-stop-arming-israel?linkId=9034471

I'm sure yesterday i saw one against harper and baird too, let me find it.

Is that an Amnesty backed campaign?

 

[Buzzati]

Any one of us could have been born into this situation. I can't imagine being a child and knowing that no where is safe. Not the beach, a park, a UN shelter, their beds or in a hospital. No where.

 

[Buzzati]

https://campaigns.amnesty.org/actions/us-stop-arming-israel?linkId=9034471

I'm sure yesterday i saw one against harper and baird too, let me find it.

Thank you for this.

 

[Dai101]

Israeli forces shot dead two Palestinian boys during West Bank protests

Israeli forces shot and killed Nasri Mahmoud Taqatqa, 14, at a demonstration in the West Bank town of Beit Fajjar on Friday.

Ramallah, July 27, 2014—Israeli forces shot dead a 17-year-old boy on Thursday and a 14-year-old boy on Friday, as thousands of Palestinians in the West Bank marched in solidarity with Gaza.

Clashes took place at Qalandia checkpoint when thousands of Palestinians marching from Ramallah toward Jerusalem were halted by the Israeli separation barrier. Mohammad Ziad al-Araj and other Palestinians were met with lethal force by the Israeli military, which used teargas canisters, rubber-coated metal bullets and live ammunition to disperse the crowd. Mohammad was shot in the head with a live bullet, which entered near his left eye, killing him instantly, DCI-Palestine sources said. It was his 17th birthday.

Over 200 others were injured at the march, which has been called the ‘largest West Bank demonstration in decades.’ Ten of those were in a critical condition at the time of writing.

Late on Friday, Israeli forces shot Nasri Mahmoud Taqatqa, 14, with a live round at the outset of a demonstration in the West Bank town of Beit Fajjar, south of Bethlehem, a witness told DCI-Palestine. He died shortly after from his wounds. DCI-Palestine is still investigating the circumstances surrounding the shooting.

Ayed Abu Eqtaish, Accountability Program director at DCI-Palestine, said: “The Israeli military’s own regulations dictate that live ammunition must only be used in circumstances of real mortal danger, but the regulations are not enforced, so soldiers are able to fire at civilians without fear of repercussions.”

Additional fatalities and injuries have occurred since Thursday, as people across the West Bank marched to show their solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza, where at least 676 civilians have died in the past three weeks. DCI-Palestine has confirmed 136 child deaths in Gaza, with an additional 64 cases under investigation, since Israel launched its military offensive.

Large protests occurred in Huwwara, Beit Ummar, Hebron, Halhul, Bilin, Ramallah, Tuqu, and al-Aroub. In East Jerusalem, Palestinians under the age of 50 were forbidden from entering the Al-Aqsa compound, resulting in clashes that led to at least 40 Palestinians sustaining injuries.

DCI-Palestine mourned the loss of a staff member on Friday after Israeli forces killed Hashem Khader Abu Maria while he marched with demonstrators in Beit Ummar.

Palestinian children and civilians across the Occupied Palestinian Territory are frequently injured by the Israeli military's use of excessive force including both crowd control weapons and live ammunition. At least six Palestinian children in the West Bank died from live rounds fired by Israeli forces this year. None of the soldiers involved has been held to account.

http://www.dci-palestine.org/docume...dia+(IMEU+:+News+&+Analysis+:+From+the+Media)

in b4 something something self defense, something something turrist, something something Hamas....... oh wait!! This was on the Weest Bank, what's the excuse? I bet is one from the bingo card.

 

[Mavromatis]

As a citizen of a country with a failed anti-terror campaign I can say by experience that Israel's movement, even when purified from the "revenge" tone it has now, won't achieve any peace now or ever.
Politically no neighbor can do anything feasible for the situation: Lebanon is burnt from all these wars, and wouldn't meddle in anything; Jordan is just a buffer zone for Saudi Arabia; Syria, Iraq all busy with ISIS; Iran doesn't want to risk the new friendship with EU and USA; Egypt has too much unrest to actually do anything; and lastly Turkey is just trying to use the event as a piece in internal politics on the upcoming elections hence the bark but no bite.
Every summer an Israeli-Palestinian conflict ignites, with some Hamas rockets and end with lots of Palestinian dead. At this point I think that playing the Hamas is responsible card is pretty silly. Because as we can see no organization can be that stupid to pick a fight just to surely lose it every summer. Unless you spent your childhood watching G.I. Joe and still believe that Cobra's tactics were realistic.

 

[deanfrag]

Meanwhile in Tel Aviv, “Gaza is a graveyard,” sing joyful Israeli youths
http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/gaza-graveyard-sing-joyful-israeli-youths



Can anyone confirm the accuracy of the translation?
לא נשארו שם ילדים: פעילי הימין בהפגנה בתל אביב, שבת ה-26.7.2014
http://youtu.be/l7Jj_Oe7uQc

Israelis in Tel Aviv 26.7.2014: "There's no school tomorrow,there's no children left in Gaza! Oleh!"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=h7qFACSfd_k

The first sentence (לא נשארו שם ילדי&#1501 = There are no children left.
פעילי הימין בהפגנה בתל אביב = Right-wing activists in a demonstration in Tel Aviv.
שבת = Sabbath.

No mention of Gaza. Gaza in Hebrew = עזה

 

[zer0blivion]

The first sentence (לא נשארו שם ילדי&#1501 = There are no children left.
פעילי הימין בהפגנה בתל אביב = Right-wing activists in a demonstration in Tel Aviv.
שבת = Sabbath.

No mention of Gaza. Gaza in Hebrew = עזה

In the video? They are singing in hebrew.