TheDarkKnight774
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Another example of why I can't stand this guy. Ugh
this fucking guy.
i hope he gets fined with that shit.
My most hated NBA player going.
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2014 NBA Finals |OT| Some dude guarantees they will win it all.
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My most hated NBA player going.
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It looks like he may have actually hit his face. It's hard to see from this angle and the fast swipe but take a look at how his hand subtly bounces a bit when it passes over his face. He overreacts for sure though.
UnObtainium17
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Lol wade did it against ginobili, a dude known to do that shit more notoriously than everyone else in the league. Its about time he gets a taste of what he has been doing all these years.
this fucking guy.
i hope he gets fined with that shit.
njean777
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Professional sports in general always conjure controversy. I don't see how the NBA is any different from any other sport. This is just how professional sports are.
I thought Ginobli was over sucking balls?
Dude was so horrible at the end of the game.
Credit to the Heat for taking the Spurs out of their offense at the end of the game, but man Gino was a ball stopper for a team that totally relies on ball movement. That weird elbow to Parker seemed to take them out of their offense but he came back with more than enough time to still make a difference. He and Duncan barely touched the ball at the end of the game. I think Leonard fouling out also killed them.
But again credit to the Heat. The game was up for grabs at the end of the game and they made more plays.
I picked the Spurs but every quarter makes me either affirm or question my pick. Ginobli and Leonard need to play better though if the Spurs are going to win.
Dude was so horrible at the end of the game.
Credit to the Heat for taking the Spurs out of their offense at the end of the game, but man Gino was a ball stopper for a team that totally relies on ball movement. That weird elbow to Parker seemed to take them out of their offense but he came back with more than enough time to still make a difference. He and Duncan barely touched the ball at the end of the game. I think Leonard fouling out also killed them.
But again credit to the Heat. The game was up for grabs at the end of the game and they made more plays.
I picked the Spurs but every quarter makes me either affirm or question my pick. Ginobli and Leonard need to play better though if the Spurs are going to win.
ViewtifulJC
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Heat win one game and dudes crying about the death of professional basketball
Jag
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He must be really fun at parties too.
Freedom = $1.05
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he used to go to parties but now he just can't identify with them anymore and it hurts.
Anyhow, heat in 6 if they defend the way they did in the second half for the end of the remainder of the games. They stopped the spurs from getting their 3 point game going and made the paint damn near impenetrable.
You have not explained why the game has regressed. You need to explain the cause since it undermines any other point you can try to make. Qualitative analysis is subjective. This is a fundamental flaw in this argument. I don't think you quite get what I'm saying in that regard. Why would any sport be competitively worse 20 years later. It makes no sense, and isn't supported by any realistic metric. There was a brief period in time where I believe zones and hand checking overlapped, but you're talking about a year or two in the late 90s, not an entire era. The 80s was an era of no defense. Pace was high, and DRTG was as well meaning they gave up more points per possession. The 90s was also mostly bad. Hand checking wasn't some major hurdle. How else did Jordan average such gaudy numbers, while being arguably weaker than Wade? Jordan weighed less than Wade, even though he was taller. That often means he was carrying less muscle and was this less strong. Yet he had no problem with the hand checks. Would the bigger, stronger and more talented players of today have more problems somehow?
The cause for the loss of basketball knoewldge and talent in the 20 years since the fall of the atomic superman. What is it? Let's try to apply some logic here, instead of just assuming the tooth fairy exists just because we found money under our pillow. PEACE.
Man, so serious up in here. Fuck the Heat, always, but the NBA game is pretty damn good today I think. And the Heat are a good team. It's a bummer, but whatever, they're better. Sometimes the bad guys win like in Empire Strikes Back. It happens.
Besides, next year Steve Kerr will implement the almighty triangle offense in Golden State and we'll dethrone Miami. Kevin Love will demand a trade to GS and form a new big 3 with Curry and Steve Blake. Trust me.
Besides, next year Steve Kerr will implement the almighty triangle offense in Golden State and we'll dethrone Miami. Kevin Love will demand a trade to GS and form a new big 3 with Curry and Steve Blake. Trust me.
Hypemaster
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It just ain't the same no more. My brothers killing my brothers out here.
Just competent is a long shot. I'm sure of a dynasty, just not sure if we'll stop at the 3 peat. Hopefully Curry's ankles will hold up through so many playoff games.
Jag
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That statement with your avatar is just chilling.
Tragicomedy
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If Wade isn't fined for that bull crap, then I don't know. Heat fans liked to point out the Stephenson fines (deserved), but there's no way to excuse this typical Wade garbage.
this fucking guy.
i hope he gets fined with that shit.
LOL at the idea that the NBA would actually fine superstar floppers.
Jag
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Not excusing it at all. Bring on the fine. $5k well spent.
The fines don't have an actual effect (or point even) so why bother.
For flopping to go away (or be reduced, let's be real here), there would have to be serious ramifications in-game and not the equivalent of a Goldman-Sachs fine.
This goes for everyone, not just Heat players.
For flopping to go away (or be reduced, let's be real here), there would have to be serious ramifications in-game and not the equivalent of a Goldman-Sachs fine.
Hypemaster
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These were the reasons why I stopped watching basketball after the days of Jordan, Hakeem, Ewing, and company....
I can't compare Lebron, Wade or anyone to Jordan or any of the greats of 90s because of the things that they have done in last night's game.
I really hope the Spurs win for the karma and antics of the Heats.
I can't compare Lebron, Wade or anyone to Jordan or any of the greats of 90s because of the things that they have done in last night's game.
I really hope the Spurs win for the karma and antics of the Heats.
lol wat
Spurs choked away last years finals because of FTs
And last night they missed 4 in a row.
How can a team as fundamentally sound as the Spurs suck so much at the line? They only shot 60% last night. Even the Lakers with Shaq would usually do better than that.
You only miss FTs because of 3 things. Lack of skill, nerves or exhaustion. It ain't the first one so I would guess they are tired or are choking. I am leaning towards the choke.
And last night they missed 4 in a row.
How can a team as fundamentally sound as the Spurs suck so much at the line? They only shot 60% last night. Even the Lakers with Shaq would usually do better than that.
You only miss FTs because of 3 things. Lack of skill, nerves or exhaustion. It ain't the first one so I would guess they are tired or are choking. I am leaning towards the choke.
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I think what he was trying to say was because of the things that Lebron, Wade or anyone did in last night's game that they aren't Jordan or any of the greats of 90s and that he really hopes that the Spurs win for the karma and antics of the heat.
It's pretty clear to me that the problem is that they don't have the right karma and antics of the 90's greats of jordan or anyone of the greats
IIRC Ginobili actually tried to do it later in the game too. They didn't do a up close replay to show it tho.
Lebron is only 2-2 in the finals.
If he would have only raped Greg Oden (an incredibly aged center) in the showers the way Jordan did to Bill Cartwright (he was the Bulls grandfather center) to set an example to the rest of the team he would be 4-0 in the showers.
I was also disgusted by the lack of showboating from Lebron last night in the 3rd quarter when he caught fire. A true gentleman like Jordan would have made sure to show up the other team and make sure it was caught on camera and make at least 10 commercials about it.
Why can't Lebron be a true gentleman like Jordan?
Ninja Scooter
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Don't forget that Jordan wouldn't have spoken out against Donald Sterling because racists and bigots buy sneakers too.
Jordan's Bulls, Ewing-era Knicks, Miller Pacers and the 90s Pistons truly were basketball integrity personified.
No whining, flopping or dirty plays there. Nope.
Jag
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I think he meant because Lebron didn't spit on his food to make sure no one took his delicious cinnamon rolls. He loved those cinnamon rolls. Does Lebron love them enough?
johnny_park
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I can understand Parker missing his, he looked like he was still in pain from the elbow, but not Duncan.
Fucking bum ass Lebron can't keep his mouth shut.
Always seeking attention and calling out racists and murders like Sterling and Zimmerman. He needs to shut up and let the experts and Fox News and First Take tell us how to think.
A TRUE gentleman and scholar like Jordan would have never done something so crass. Remember how well he handled all those school kids getting murdered over his shoes in the 80s? Instead of going to the media and telling everyone how wrong it was or doing something even more unsavory like reducing their price he heroically stayed silent and filmed a commercial for McDonalds. He is always a gentleman. I remember he handled the Nike slave camps in Malaysia with similar class.
Syphon Filter
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Missed the last few pages but let me guess the state of the sport is in danger because the Heat won?
People want to stop watching the NBA because the Heat won? Its funny how while flopping, reffing, and calls in favor of the superstars are all true and things to fix and lament, none of these "points" come up when the Heat aren't winning or when previous superstars or dynasties were winning.
My whole problem with the majority of these posters is that its all led from their dislike of LeBron or the Heat and not from a genuine case of dislike of these elements all across the NBA.
How about we just enjoy what have been 2 great games. Even right down to the end of the 1st game where the Spurs blew it open, its been very close back and forth with incredible shots, performances, and great coaching chess matches.
People want to stop watching the NBA because the Heat won? Its funny how while flopping, reffing, and calls in favor of the superstars are all true and things to fix and lament, none of these "points" come up when the Heat aren't winning or when previous superstars or dynasties were winning.
My whole problem with the majority of these posters is that its all led from their dislike of LeBron or the Heat and not from a genuine case of dislike of these elements all across the NBA.
How about we just enjoy what have been 2 great games. Even right down to the end of the 1st game where the Spurs blew it open, its been very close back and forth with incredible shots, performances, and great coaching chess matches.
Which would make no difference at all.
Better than a money fine, the player should either be given a technical (after review) and then thrown out for a 2nd offense.
Though that would be hard to institute I imagine.
Money doesn't affect them as much unless its a huge ass fine.
Agreed with what you said.
Spo had to switch it up. In game 1 the Spurs knew exactly how to attack it because the Heat never switched it up. Last night they did switching at times and then backed off of it other times which at least made the Spurs think and throw them off a bit.
Spurs are so good that I can see them adjusting to this also but the Heat can't be predictable in what defense they will play. I def think Spurs win 1 in Miami
Though that would be hard to institute I imagine.
Money doesn't affect them as much unless its a huge ass fine.
Agreed with what you said.
Spo had to switch it up. In game 1 the Spurs knew exactly how to attack it because the Heat never switched it up. Last night they did switching at times and then backed off of it other times which at least made the Spurs think and throw them off a bit.
Spurs are so good that I can see them adjusting to this also but the Heat can't be predictable in what defense they will play. I def think Spurs win 1 in Miami
andthebeatgoeson
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They just ain't built for this. Heat have some terrible defense last night, at times. They just give up on plays. I assume that's do to overall exhaustion. But they were always in it. Spurs get up by 10. Then a run. With that higher gear Bron went into, Spurs have to be grateful they are not down 0-2. Luckily, they have Pop. You have to figure that OKC won't keep getting beat. Oh wait, they still have Brooks. WTF is OKC doing? Brooks is wasting the fuck out of these years by Durant and YNB.
No I want you to shut up because everyone does it including the Spurs but all the lamenting and complaining is aimed at Lebron, Wade, and the Heat. So that leads me to believe its not about the flopping or calls but more about your distaste for the Heat.
WTF is this? The Thunder go to the line more. Harden goes to the FT line more than any player. Yeah but the Heat benefit the most right?
But even if they did, the point isn't that they are victims because of that complaint. They, mainly Lebron, are easy targets because if he cramps up Jordan wouldn't have! If he flops Jordan wouldn't have! If he passes for the last shot Jordan wouldn't have!
Its all BS. You dislike the team first and then complain about them doing the things everyone else does. You don't dislike him for flopping or getting the calls. That would make no sense right? Since all other players do it and do it more?
No one is making excuses about flops or getting away with calls. I am telling you superstars get away with it. But this is nothing new or exclusive to Lebron even now.
Just really I would wish the talk could be about anything but the refs and flopping as if its some new phenomena that was invented to help Lebron. Jordan used to flop too. Used to bitch and yell at the refs. Get over it already.
Ok if I you give you that some of those calls were BS would you then admit some of the calls against the Heat were also BS? Especially like the one where Lebron had all ball and was called for a foul and then a tech for arguing? Those calls had no effect on the game?
Heat weren't in foul trouble with 6+ minutes left in the fourth? Spurs didn't have a march to the line if they wanted to?
It goes both ways. Heat might have gotten away with some calls but so did the Spurs. Spurs had the edge in FTs and then missed a bunch. Complaining about the refs makes no sense.
Yes the Spurs the model example of a team that doesn't flop.
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People were definitely ignoring the flopping they did these two games, and completely have forgotten that Splitter was even fined for flopping during the Oklahoma series. Flopping is a systemic issue within the NBA right now, it is most certainly not just unique to the Heat. This is par the course for the losing team though. If your team loses, it is not because they didn't play better than the other team, it is because the refs were incredibly biased for the other team, or the other team masterfully flopped, or they cheated in some other way...
RockTurtle
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UnObtainium17
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One of the best articles I've read about MJ. I have that on my bookmarks still.
EDIT: OP updated with gifs, brackets and POTN.
Ninja Scooter
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Knicks hire Derek Fisher. Good luck with that, NY.
WonkyPanda
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DEREK FISHER?!
At least my boy is making that paper.
EDIT:
Fisher's staff is very likely to include Kurt Rambis. Others in mix: Rick Fox, Luke Walton, Bill Cartwright.
Knicks going to be Lakers East.
At least my boy is making that paper.
EDIT:
Fisher's staff is very likely to include Kurt Rambis. Others in mix: Rick Fox, Luke Walton, Bill Cartwright.
Knicks going to be Lakers East.
DemurOnion
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Stop trying to make Jordan out to be a flopper. He may have flopped once or twice. Dude did not flop every game nor even close to a majority of them. They took charges back then and played man when they needed to and whatever else when they needed to.
As anyone can tell you, those that watched a lot of bulls, Jordan could whine to refs now and then and he trashed talk but he still had integrity. Dwayne Wade does this for a living. IN EVERY GAME.
Comparison dead. Sorry Heat fans. And even Spurs fans. We know the euros on that team do it too.
As anyone can tell you, those that watched a lot of bulls, Jordan could whine to refs now and then and he trashed talk but he still had integrity. Dwayne Wade does this for a living. IN EVERY GAME.
Comparison dead. Sorry Heat fans. And even Spurs fans. We know the euros on that team do it too.
Ninja Scooter
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Jordan? Integrity? Even Jordan would laugh at that.
DemurOnion
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Oh please.
I've honestly seen Jordan do a crazy flop like 3 times. I've seen Wade do this day in day out for the entirety of his career basically. The guy is a roided up wanker.
Honestly, you take Wade away from that team and I don't hate them nearly as much. I never even seen Rodman flop like that Game 2 crap. That was ridiculous.
Jag
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This Heat organization is really bad and deserves derision. I mean is this any way for a billionaire's son to act??
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