Mavs in 2011.
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2015 NBA PLAYOFFS |OT| One man's Smith.. Is another man's treasure.
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Mavs in 2011.
Cats is gonna be in their feelings a bit tonight, and for the next few weeks. Lebron made it to the finals. Again.
sooperkool
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I wonder how much that swings if you account for home crowds. Or even better, although there is no way to measure this... Lebron is pretty popular league wide so how much does the LBJ factor skew the numbers....
detectiveconan1
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Really? What do we have to be envious about? Playing the juggernaut Golden State Warriors??
I doubt many Heat fans are cheering for LeBron, but let's be honest here, Cavs fans were not cheering for LeBron when he played for the Heat.
Average home win in nba is roughly 2.4 points in recent years. So it's going to be negligible and doesn't really stack.
538 basically says HCA is a wash, unless you are Denver or Utah.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Detroit and Miami were outliers. You're taking a lot of it this way too literally. When I see the NBA is predictable, I mean the vast majority of the time. Not every single time. Lakers and Spurs have won a lot of the years we've mentioned.
Luck is a factor that is not debatable. Meaning you can't sit here and predict this team or that team will win because of luck unless you've found a stat that measured luck. So it's useless to talk about because it just means everything is a total toss up.
No one invited Vince Young?
Actually, the recent trend of NBA championships shows that the highly favored teams going into the finals have a higher chance of losing. Not saying it'll happen this year, (who's the favorite anyway?), but this just shows that NBA Finals is unpredictable as it can be. Better jinx the ones who you want to lose lmao.
2004
LA Lakers vs Detroit - LA was the favorite, Detroit won the title
2005
San Antonio vs Detroit - Almost even, SA won the title
2006
Dallas vs. Miami - Dallas was the favorite, Miami won the title
2007
San Antonio vs Cleveland - SA was the favorite, SA won the title
2008
LA Lakers vs Boston - LA was the favorite, Boston won the title
2009
LA Lakers vs Orlando - LA was the favorite, LA won the title
2010
LA Lakers vs Boston - LA was the favorite, LA won the title
2011
Dallas vs. Miami - Miami was the favorite, Dallas won the title
2012
OKC vs. Miami - OKC was the favorite, Miami won the title
2013
San Antonio vs. Miami - SA was the favorite, Miami won the title
2014
San Antonio vs. Miami - Miami was the favorite, SA won the title
2004
LA Lakers vs Detroit - LA was the favorite, Detroit won the title
2005
San Antonio vs Detroit - Almost even, SA won the title
2006
Dallas vs. Miami - Dallas was the favorite, Miami won the title
2007
San Antonio vs Cleveland - SA was the favorite, SA won the title
2008
LA Lakers vs Boston - LA was the favorite, Boston won the title
2009
LA Lakers vs Orlando - LA was the favorite, LA won the title
2010
LA Lakers vs Boston - LA was the favorite, LA won the title
2011
Dallas vs. Miami - Miami was the favorite, Dallas won the title
2012
OKC vs. Miami - OKC was the favorite, Miami won the title
2013
San Antonio vs. Miami - SA was the favorite, Miami won the title
2014
San Antonio vs. Miami - Miami was the favorite, SA won the title
Bam Bam Baklava
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What metric is used here to dictate the favorite?
Damn, this is kind of scary. Are you listing actual betting favourites? Like according to Vegas?
Do you not see the irony in your post?
This year neither of those two teams is going to be in the finals, and the winner will have won their first ever (Cavs) or first in a long time (Dubs)
Baroquemantic
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Ha! I'm glad Lebron said that. I know he's Lebron, but damn, he not the only one up there.
Bam Bam Baklava
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And yet they are both the number one seeds and the Spurs just won it last year after making two finals appearances so I guess we were due. When was the last time an 8 seed won it all like the Kings in hockey? What about the NFL?
I don't understand why you are looking at this in such a binary manner. Like I was saying it's not every single time. It's just trends and percentages.
He never had to go to Miami to get to Finals he copped out and took the easiest possible route he could. He'd still be in Miami if the Spurs didn't blow them out. He's great but that's how he operates.
Giger Pilot
Banned
The Cavs were the 2 seed.
Based on popular media picks. Of course I don't have much records of the past articles to back it up but some of them were pretty obvious. For example, 2004 LA Lakers were freaking media darlings back with a superstar lineup only to be demolished by Detroit in 5 games.
Another one is again the Lakers in 2008. After Pau Gasol acquisition, Lakers were rolling, Kobe named MVP, guys from the media picks them to win that year after seeing Boston struggle to win their East matchups in the playoffs. Then LA got defeated and got destroyed at the last game. They redeemed themselves by winning 2 straight so...
Yeah, just basing it on popular media picks and narratives. No records of Vegas picks as I don't gamble. Don't take much into it lol.
Bam Bam Baklava
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You're right, Hawks played so poorly I forget they were the 1 seed.
But everyone pretty much picked the Cavs to come out of the East with a few picking the Bulls so predictions played out. Just like every year people picked Miami to come out of the East and the ydid.
thehypocrite
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LeBron seems determined.
He's about to go Super Sayin God, no way he'll allow himself to lose 2 finals in a row. Especially against overrated posers like the Warriors.
Oh, hmm. I'd be curious what the betting odds were for the last few finals. If the Warriors advance they'll be favored in Vegas by a decent margin, though this is assuming Curry is healthy and GS doesn't get pushed to 7 games (and obviously they aren't the favourites if they lose to Houston).
Bam Bam Baklava
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Warriors are -10.5 for tomorrow's game.
Lee Chaolan
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JR being JR at the Press Conference. lol
thehypocrite
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I don't think the warriors are overrated, they are just the most logical pick by all the stats they put during the regular season and the playoffs.
Now, LeBron is a trascendent player and he will impact the game, thus Cleveland has a chance but I don't think they should be the favorites either.
By the way, the Cavs are playing with house money and they will have a real chance to win the chip if they execute, play with intensity and use their will to overcome the issues still to come, that's all you can ask for.
The series with Houston showed that when the other superstar showed up to play his team was able to have a chance to win 3 of the 4 games, so that's not a bad thing.
Bluekaveli
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TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
So does Stephen Curry.
Didn't watch the game, but couldn't pass up on the last TNT crew show of the year... Chuck picking the Cavs in the finals is funny. They're going to change his title from analyst to comedian at some point, right? Or are the casuals like, "yea, you tell 'em Chuck! Tristan Thompson and Mozgov are monsters."(his cited reason as usual)
thehypocrite
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are you comparing the 2? The dubs are favorites because they are the better team. In no shape or form Curry, as great as he is, is a comparable player to LeBron
victreeb3l
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How was this not a bigger story? X=Factor of the playoffs? NYPD.
The Nation wrote about this just a few days ago actually: http://www.thenation.com/blog/20800...e-nypd-broke-his-leg-why-sports-media-silence
At the end of the day the sports or mainstream media doesnt really give a shit about social issues. Otherwise Sterling would have been ousted from the Clippers much earlier.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
He also has broken playoff records.
Randolph Freelander
Member
Y'all acting like y'all don't know it will be a Ken Perkins hip check into the third row.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Maybe not comparable because of how they different they are. But his impact is undeniable. When he's doing the things he does they are unstoppable.
Randolph Freelander
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If and when the Golden State Warriors win the title, they will have accomplished something not done since Michael Jeffrey Jordan's Bulls in 1991.
Ninja Scooter
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Experience might be a factor if the teams are more evenly matched, but I dont' see how experience can save the Cavs from being shameball all-stars right now. They are playing like shit.
Bam Bam Baklava
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He picked the Grizzlies too. Mozgov is just a poor man's Bogut and would anyone here take Thompson over Green?
Who do the Cavs have other than Lebron anyways (that actually gets minutes)?
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I would.
I'm a sucker for that blue collar shit, he's like the Mike Tyson of offensive rebounding.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Green is all blue collar with actual skills. The guy was busting his ass the entire game even when they were down 20. The difference is he does more than just rebound.
grandjedi6
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ESPN is already going all in on the prodigal son returns storyline for the Cavs. This is going to be a long two weeks.
I don't care about the "skills" BS. Thompson's impact on the game is greater than Green's for the past two series that it's kind of ridiculous. I only see that continuing against the Warriors.
Ninja Scooter
Member
It'll be over in 4 games so it shouldn't be too long.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Tristan Thompson will destroy him on the boards.
It's the only reason he was born.
don't watch espn besides when the game is live?
fs1's version of sportscenter is better anyways.
Randolph Freelander
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Don't watch. I mean, I sure know to keep my eyes off ESPN when they're running annoying story lines, even for teams and athletes I might actually like.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Smh, let's look at postseason stats up to this point. Green is averaging 10.6 rebounds, 5.4 assists, 1.8 steals, 1.2 blocks, and 14.4 points.
Meanwhile TT is averaging 9.8 rebounds (yeah), 0.5 assists, 1.3 blocks, 0.1 steals, and 8.9 points.
So uhh glad you guys are not GMs. You can make the argument that Green is doing this against stiffer competition as well considering he went up against guys like AD, Randolph, Gasol.
thehypocrite
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You should consider that during the celtics series he was coming from the bench, thus per game average wouldn't be favorable to him.