Heh seems like a silly thought since they were all question marks.
2016 NFL Season OT - Week Three - Dylan Once Wrote
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So they kept the Bradford playbook.
yankeehater
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https://www.profootballfocus.com/pr...the-best-start-by-a-rookie-qb-in-the-pff-era/
Through three weeks of the 2016 NFL season, Philadelphia Eagles No. 2 overall pick Carson Wentz isnt just the highest-graded rookie QB in the league, but hes the best-rated QB period, with a PFF grade of 90.2 on our 0-100 scale.
That is the best grade we have ever recorded for a rookie quarterback, dating back to the start of our grading system in 2006.
Until this weeks 34-3 win over the Steelers, that came with something of a caveat. Yes, Wentz was 2-0 with nice stats, but they came against Cleveland and Chicago. Those two teams are likely to make a lot of QBs look better than they really are, and neither defense was able to put Wentz in the kind of tough spot that might highlight his weaknesses.
Pittsburgh is a different animal, however, and Wentz once again looked assured, comfortable and effective.
Perhaps the most encouraging sign for Eagles fans from this week was how the game plan changed heading into the Pittsburgh game. Wentz had been given pretty much full control of an expansive offense against Cleveland and Chicago, but the Steelers game saw the team focus much more on generating him free yardage and quick, easy throws to keep him out of trouble against a defense that can get pressure and disguise its coverages.
Over the first two weeks Wentz had an average depth of target of 8.8, but that dropped by more than three and a half yards to 5.1 this week. Screens accounted for 34 percent of his pass attempts, compared to just 16 percent in the first two weeks of the season.
Those manufactured yards flattered Wentz a little this week, allowing him to rack up big stats without making big-time throws, like he did on this big gain to running back Darren Sproles:
Its not a knock on Wentz, and he does nothing wrong on this play selling the fake well and delivering an accurate pass to Sproles but this is a pass you expect every NFL QB to make 100 percent of the time, and it turns into a huge play for the offense.
The reason why thats a positive sign, however, is that the Eagles coaches are clearly in tune with how best to help out their rookie QB, and he has shown through the first two weeks of the season that he is very capable of helping the team out himself. That kind of in-tune partnership can only mean good things for this team in the future.
Wentz was pressured on just eight dropbacks against the Steelers, in part because of these manufactured plays designed to get the ball out of his hands quickly. On those eight pressured plays he was 4-for-7 for 77 yards and a score, plus he took off scrambling to pick up 10 yards on the other dropback. Against the blitz Wentz had a passer rating of 136.8, and four of his eight incomplete passes were either dropped, thrown away or as a result of being hit as he threw.
Wentz has a PFF grade far better than what weve recorded from most rookie QBs after three weeks of play, even ones who had success early in their careers. After three weeks in the league during his 2012 rookie season, Andrew Lucks PFF grade was 66.8. Russell Wilsons was 73.1, and Robert Griffin III the previous owner of the best mark earned a grade of 89.4.
RG III, of course, remains the great cautionary tale for fast starts by a quarterback. His rookie season in Washington was genuinely outstanding, and the team did a lot to help him out schematically, but of course between injury and attitude things unraveled over the subsequent seasons.
Right now, Wentz may be the best-performing rookie QB of the past decade, but greater tests lie ahead, not the least of which is the ability to simply stay on the field and in one piece. If theres a critique to find in his game so far its that hes taken quite a few hits, and despite the fact that he has a much sturdier frame than the frequently injured Griffin, its an area for him to work on as the season progresses.
But regardless, Wentz couldnt have had a much better start to his NFL career than what hes done these first three weeks.
Through three weeks of the 2016 NFL season, Philadelphia Eagles No. 2 overall pick Carson Wentz isnt just the highest-graded rookie QB in the league, but hes the best-rated QB period, with a PFF grade of 90.2 on our 0-100 scale.
That is the best grade we have ever recorded for a rookie quarterback, dating back to the start of our grading system in 2006.
Until this weeks 34-3 win over the Steelers, that came with something of a caveat. Yes, Wentz was 2-0 with nice stats, but they came against Cleveland and Chicago. Those two teams are likely to make a lot of QBs look better than they really are, and neither defense was able to put Wentz in the kind of tough spot that might highlight his weaknesses.
Pittsburgh is a different animal, however, and Wentz once again looked assured, comfortable and effective.
Perhaps the most encouraging sign for Eagles fans from this week was how the game plan changed heading into the Pittsburgh game. Wentz had been given pretty much full control of an expansive offense against Cleveland and Chicago, but the Steelers game saw the team focus much more on generating him free yardage and quick, easy throws to keep him out of trouble against a defense that can get pressure and disguise its coverages.
Over the first two weeks Wentz had an average depth of target of 8.8, but that dropped by more than three and a half yards to 5.1 this week. Screens accounted for 34 percent of his pass attempts, compared to just 16 percent in the first two weeks of the season.
Those manufactured yards flattered Wentz a little this week, allowing him to rack up big stats without making big-time throws, like he did on this big gain to running back Darren Sproles:
Its not a knock on Wentz, and he does nothing wrong on this play selling the fake well and delivering an accurate pass to Sproles but this is a pass you expect every NFL QB to make 100 percent of the time, and it turns into a huge play for the offense.
The reason why thats a positive sign, however, is that the Eagles coaches are clearly in tune with how best to help out their rookie QB, and he has shown through the first two weeks of the season that he is very capable of helping the team out himself. That kind of in-tune partnership can only mean good things for this team in the future.
Wentz was pressured on just eight dropbacks against the Steelers, in part because of these manufactured plays designed to get the ball out of his hands quickly. On those eight pressured plays he was 4-for-7 for 77 yards and a score, plus he took off scrambling to pick up 10 yards on the other dropback. Against the blitz Wentz had a passer rating of 136.8, and four of his eight incomplete passes were either dropped, thrown away or as a result of being hit as he threw.
Wentz has a PFF grade far better than what weve recorded from most rookie QBs after three weeks of play, even ones who had success early in their careers. After three weeks in the league during his 2012 rookie season, Andrew Lucks PFF grade was 66.8. Russell Wilsons was 73.1, and Robert Griffin III the previous owner of the best mark earned a grade of 89.4.
RG III, of course, remains the great cautionary tale for fast starts by a quarterback. His rookie season in Washington was genuinely outstanding, and the team did a lot to help him out schematically, but of course between injury and attitude things unraveled over the subsequent seasons.
Right now, Wentz may be the best-performing rookie QB of the past decade, but greater tests lie ahead, not the least of which is the ability to simply stay on the field and in one piece. If theres a critique to find in his game so far its that hes taken quite a few hits, and despite the fact that he has a much sturdier frame than the frequently injured Griffin, its an area for him to work on as the season progresses.
But regardless, Wentz couldnt have had a much better start to his NFL career than what hes done these first three weeks.
psynergylover
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Those feels when everyone in your division wins except for yours.....dammit Giants!!!
AbortedWalrusFetus
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I don't think Wentz has a problem going deep, just that the offense is taking what opposing defenses are giving them. There's also the fact that there are a lot of drops that wipe out what should be long passes for Wentz. I think there were four drops last night, though I don't know if any were on long balls.
There's no need to push the ball deep when teams are dropping a lot of players into the secondary and daring you to try to make throws. Smart thing to do is exactly what Pederson called. Teams will probably try to react by covering those short throws more in the future, but I think Wentz will beat them deep if they try to do that too.
Himynameischris
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Smh disrespecting a baby? New low even for pat fans
Lol yeah I'm looking at them now
yankeehater
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I am curious if coming in every day at 5:30 am is anything atypical for NFL QBs. Like I wonder what % of QBs do that most days?
We disrespect you all the time though
Norv tried to run his usual offense yesterday in the first half and they allowed pressure on 40% of dropbacks and had like 10 yards net passing. 2nd half they went to shotgun spread and quick passes, with a pressure rate of 11%. Shula kept running his offense and Cam got sacked 8 times and threw 3 INTs
Same number of passes (13) at or behind the LOS as beyond 5 yards. I think most teams realize there's no reason to throw deep unless you have to, but Reid and Pederson are almost college like in how horizontal they are
The Eagles have a bye next week too so it's just going to be nothing but hype articles until the Lions game
yankeehater
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Please no, no letterman jackets, and no ridiculous mugging for the cameras.
8 X 11 Printer Paper
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In 4 months the Papa Johns Trio will become a quartet with Wentz joining the crew.
yankeehater
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Well at least we can win one SB before he goes all hollywood and falls apart.
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So ESPN predictor has Saints to win at 60%
The problem with that is Stugotz also picked the Saints to win, and he is 0-18 this season.
Let me pencil in that Falcons W baby.
The problem with that is Stugotz also picked the Saints to win, and he is 0-18 this season.
Let me pencil in that Falcons W baby.
Crimson_Gold
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This is getting out of hand
Ninja Scooter
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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet
Listening to @BaldyNFL on #Eagles QB Carson Wentz: Hes Peyton Manning in the sheets, hes Aaron Rodgers in the streets.
Listening to @BaldyNFL on #Eagles QB Carson Wentz: Hes Peyton Manning in the sheets, hes Aaron Rodgers in the streets.
Are you Tabris?
Hopefully this doesn't stop his output for commercials.
This is how the backlash is built. Doesn't help that so many NFLN and ESPN are from Philly and South Jersey.
MKC retweeted an article she posted in January about an exec saying Cleveland should take Wentz. The Browns are eventually going to have to sacrifice someone in that front office.
Grover Cleveland
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I heard Carson Wentz cut down trees, used the wood to build a school for an impoverished African village, cured AIDs, and did 600 box jumps all before his 5:30 AM film study.
Can anyone confirm?
EDIT:ASJ to the Jets. Because...
Can anyone confirm?
EDIT:ASJ to the Jets. Because...
Future PhaZe
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His deep ball placement has looked great though. There's been some drops. I have no doubts about his deep ball.
Himynameischris
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Because I have a wallet? How poor are you guys?!
But does he work out with his WRs in the off-season like future HOF and youngest ever to be an elite QB like Stafford?
:kas
The only disrespect I see is that ass kicking I gave you in the shirstless league
Pretty poor. Every week I watch the Texans hoping for free McNuggets and a Monster taco the next day.
Future PhaZe
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I mean honestly...it's kind of accurate. His pre-snap stuff is really great for a rook and he has a quick strong release similar to A-Rod.
With that said it wouldn't surprise anyone if he started to decline once the scouting reports develop on him.
Yall remember Nick Foles?
Yea..
Himynameischris
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Hey that reminds me...I think we get free Jumbo Jacks because the Rams scored two TDs....I paid for lunch like a sucker :/
my main concern
Didn't really get an answer, but Pat fans probbaly get free stuff when they lose.
Wentz's physical talents are about 1000x better than Foles. And I really liked Foles, but he was physically limited.
Carson Wentz is a humble man. He's marrying his high school sweetheart and refuses to live in sin.
Squicken,
You're the one-man backlash against Wentz!
Ket the kid receive his praise.
#AO1
Himynameischris
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Hope y'all are ready for some fuckball
... so he has never been with a woman? Two potential Pats killers in one division!
ThatStupidLion
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think ASJ will eat into Enunwas targets and role? or be used more as a blocker?
The_Darkest_Red
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Wow, a lot of key players with injuries I didn't know about. Oh well.
Pls Lord, if we only win one game this season let it be this one.
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!
Himynameischris
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You know this will be the one time Dalton has a great prime time performance,
Edit: Reading a break down of the game this is by far my favorite line regarding the defense.
No way, but Wentz is right with God.
Mackenzie 92
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