2016 PC Screenshot Thread of No Compromises

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NeoRaider said:
Hmmm, tried using this for Mirror's Edge Catalyst. I think that i downloaded files from this site. But wasn't sure what i need to do exactly. I copied the files in the game folder but then game was crashing on launch every single time.
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From what I remember while using his tool in DA:I: you start the game, Alt-Tab and then start Hatti's tool. Should be the same for ME:C and Quantum Break.
If it's crashing on launch, maybe ME:C was updated and broke Hatti's freecam tool, and he hasn't had time to update it yet? :(
(If you're using an Nvidia GPU, you can try using Ansel in ME:C though)

Edit: From the readme, make sure you have these installed/running correctly:

Dependencies:
1. VC++ Redistributable 2015 x64, if missing, the .dll wont be injected
2. .NET Framework 4.6, if missing, MEC Cinematic Tools.exe wont start
3. Origin, Mirror's Edge & Tools running with Administrator rights
4. Anti-virus software might cause problems. If something doesn't work, turn it off.
 
Nick Pal said:
What, because two posters suddenly start posting shots of the same game it's considered spamming? Give me a fucking break.
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When those 2 posters are also the 2 most active people in the thread, it can feel like you are only scrolling past Darksiders shots on some pages. Plenty of nice looking shots, but also a lot that looks the same.

I don't care though, as it's easy to scroll past anything you are not interested in.

And that guy has the right to voice his opinion as much as anyone else, even if he is not an active poster in the thread. But I do agree with you that the way he did it seemed like he was trying to fan the flames more than anything.
 
Xyber said:
When those 2 posters are also the 2 most active people in the thread, it can feel like you are only scrolling past Darksiders shots on some pages. Plenty of nice looking shots, but also a lot that looks the same.
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Ok, but is that reality though? Page 148 seems to have just 4 posts (out of 50) with darksiders shots. 149 has 6. I post 2 shots a day, tops. I can agree with the sentiment that if you look at a page and 25%-30% of the posts are about a game that's 3+ years old (brace yourself though, this weekend Skyrim Enhanced Edition is released, let's go back 5+ years!), and you have nothing with that game, it can get a little tedious if you're looking for shots of other games. However that is true for any PoV: there are always groups of people who don't like a game that's currently has a lot of shots being posted of here, no matter which game, be it dark souls, skyrim, doom 3, some random race game, you name it.

This thread is made of by the people posting here. The result of that is that the people who like taking screenshots and post e.g. 2-4 shots a day, will post more shots about a game than people who post 1 shot a week. If these people then play a certain game, their shots will of course be about that game. That's life.

What is a bit odd to me though is the following: if you look at Flickr Explore, you'll see a lot of the same subject topics, be it flowers, a random old geezer on a bench, a waterfall, some girl high as a kite looking dreamy at the sky, you name it. the subjects fall into a finite list of categories, yet each photo is unique. So are screenshots. It's not the game pictured, it's the scene, the subject, the colors, the composition. Dark Souls is a great example, as this page sees a lot of shots from even the same castle. Boring? Not at all, as every shot is unique and looks different. Because what's in the shot is what matters, not the damn game.

Same location in the same game, different shots, great. Now, we have Darksiders II, a game designed by one of the most loved comic book artists, Joe Madureira, and shots at different locations in the game, and they are ... boring? Unwanted? "Please make it stop!"-bad? I don't mind, I'd love to hear it. What is bad about the composition, the things in the shots that can be better? Remember, the game isn't important, what's shown by the picture is. Say it what's bad, so we can all learn (well, the people who want to at least) and get better shots. "It's a shot from a game I find boring" is not an argument.

It's interesting, that for one game, the same location in different shots is great (again, it is) but different locations of the same game (whatever game it is) isn't. That's a little illogical to me: as for one what's shown in the picture is important (it is), while as for the other that's irrelevant, it's about "some game I hate".

Perhaps I'm overthinking this thread though and is it for some simply a place where they post the contents of their clipboard, whatever is on it. In any case, it has left me a sour taste in my mouth and I hate that.
 
Too brain dead and tired to argue anymore. I agree with Otis.

Maybe I am one of the most frequent posters. I don't care. Love games and love screen shotting. One of the most fulfilling creative outlets I've had since I quit the fashion industry as a stylist. Do my best to make them interesting. Not showing of any skillz. I got a lot to learn and do that by observing the work of those that I admire. That and just experimenting. I don't think my stuff is hot shit, really I don't. It's not the reason I post frequently. Even if I did it shouldn't matter. But if my screenshots have peaked your interest enough for you to want to play the game then my job is done. If my reshade makes you want to play it even more then a job even more well done. Sometimes the inner geek in us all just wants to say look look..how fucking amazing this game looks! That's all.. nothing more nothing less. It's not even about the screenshot.

Negativity and whining about a page full of too many shots of one game that'll be a distant memory in mostly a day or two is a waste of your energy and others and creates a divide between what all of us have in common at the end of the day-the games.That and it just takes the passion out of gaming and screenshotting for me as a whole. Don't dampen my enthusiasm or anyone else's for a hobby that brings a smile and some positivity in most of us.

Remember that positive anything is better than negative nothing.

Cheers.
 
Okay, it's the end of the page so I might as well. I'm going to regret this.

I think the main thing to do here is regard the fact that anyone posting here is posting from one common perspective: a fondness for games and the art and/or design in them. That goes for Jim, Nick, Frans, anyone.

The thing people seek here can differ wildly, though. Some would prefer shots of pure gameplay, whereas others relish in carefully constructed shots that would never grace your screen in-game. Some come here to show (off) their latest screencap, where for some the quality of content is paramount; not quantity of output. Even if Jim's comment was a bit snide, it was in fact glossing over what I think was his actual beef (but I might be mistaken, and Jim won't be here to correct me). I think both Frans and Nick are very well capable of shooting memorable shots, but quite a few of the Darksiders shots we've seen could be perceived as interchangeable. (I feel I should add, that the same could be said of much of my own stuff, but that's besides the point.) I think Jim--and I agree--would rather see a few of your better shots, rather than a lot of okay or iffy ones. All of this, however, is highly subjective, and certainly not everyone agrees, as we've already seen. I don't think Jim claims lordship over what does or doesn't fly here. Even if anyone is free to post whatever they like, I do feel that it's not wrong to voice a sentiment, and I personally think that opinions shouldn't always be sugar-coated, nor should they always be constructive essays on the inherent quality of a screenshot, or its unpolished potential even. A gruff remark can lead to a discussion, as long it isn't followed by a hissy fit. Or it can be safely ignored.

Again, I think both Jim and I are here to fulfill our yearning to see games in the best of lights, however subjective that may be. In that case, less is often more. I know neither of us feels he's above any kind of criticism, as we habitually critique the other's output, and not always in the most congenial manner. It takes time and effort to construct a careful exposé on what makes or breaks a shot, and often saying 'that shit is all shit' is all that's needed to make someone take a second look at their own output and arrive at their own conclusions. Many have been the times where I've sought out the people I know and whose opinion I value, showing off a shot I thought the world of at the time, only to find them less enthused or outright shocked. 'Maybe you should try shooting some other game' is one I get a lot, and often it's exactly what I need.

In the end I think y'all could do with a mite thicker skin. Jim sure isn't the lowlife you make him out to be. Frankly, I find it galling to read through the past page and a half. Be glad not everyone out there is out to be friends first. If you think someone should be the bigger person and ignore your output if they don't like it, lead by example and ignore the way he goes about expressing himself if it stings. Or start talking instead of arguing. Are we all nine here? Surely not. Don't turn this into something it's not.

Much of what I'm saying here is based on my own perception of how poisonous pandering can be for anyone trying to become better at what they do. If someone tells me that what I do is shit, at the very least it breaks away any kind of complacency I might have felt. I don't have to like the person for how they said it, and I sure as hell don't have to thank them for phrasing it in a less than constructive manner, but silently, I'm thanking them all the same.

I'm not telling anyone to kiss and make up. I'm not saying what this thread is or should be. I'm not telling anyone to stop posting: it's a free thread (within limits). I do deplore whatever the hell that all was up there, even if I relish a bit of drama every now and again.

Holy shit I just wrote an essay!
 
(edit) I realize this is a terrible long post, and I'm sorry. It's the last essay I want to dedicate on it, as I'm tired of the crap here.

midhras said:
The thing people seek here can differ wildly, though. Some would prefer shots of pure gameplay, whereas others relish in carefully constructed shots that would never grace your screen in-game. Some come here to show (off) their latest screencap, where for some the quality of content is paramount; not quantity of output. Even if Jim's comment was a bit snide, it was in fact glossing over what I think was his actual beef (but I might be mistaken, and Jim won't be here to correct me). I think both Frans and Nick are very well capable of shooting memorable shots, but quite a few of the Darksiders shots we've seen could be perceived as interchangeable. (I feel I should add, that the same could be said of much of my own stuff, but that's besides the point.) I think Jim--and I agree--would rather see a few of your better shots, rather than a lot of okay or iffy ones.
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If that's the case, he should have said so, sorry. And even then, it's too vague to use. I mean, the comments made on my darksiders shots came across as : "You post shots of game X, I'm bored with game X, stop posting shots of game X". Not about what's in the shots, the composition, the colors, the use of (negative) space, light, eye flow, camera angles, depth, nothing. The game was the center of the criticism. I can take criticism on how my shots are constructed, how they're composed, what could be done better etc. etc., please do! But... nope, that wasn't it.

The game itself, that's a totally different thing. I don't have 10 hours a day to play a game, maybe 1-2 at most. So playing a game takes weeks. Telling a person bluntly to stop posting shots from a game is simply a rotten thing to say. What is the end result you're seeking? That the person then stops taking screenshots till he has finished the game and can finally post shots from another game, just because some person doesn't want to see shots of that game? Or stops playing that game, and switches to another one, to please that person? You got to be kidding me.

That's the core issue I have with the point made by Jim. If you think that's not his point, I'll DM you to show you otherwise.

Now, you mention interchangeability of the shots. The first time I hear criticism on them. Wouldn't have been great if the criticism you now mention would have been given with the shot? With explanation why, what could have been better, so we can all learn?

Again, I think both Jim and I are here to fulfill our yearning to see games in the best of lights, however subjective that may be. In that case, less is often more. I know neither of us feels he's above any kind of criticism, as we habitually critique the other's output, and not always in the most congenial manner. It takes time and effort to construct a careful exposé on what makes or breaks a shot, and often saying 'that shit is all shit' is all that's needed to make someone take a second look at their own output and arrive at their own conclusions. Many have been the times where I've sought out the people I know and whose opinion I value, showing off a shot I thought the world of at the time, only to find them less enthused or outright shocked. 'Maybe you should try shooting some other game' is one I get a lot, and often it's exactly what I need.
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That's great, but as I explained above: not everyone wants or can switch a game. Some of us are simply playing a game to ... play a game and play _that_ game in particular because they love it, and shoot shots along the way, because they like doing that too. So much so that they spend 30-40 hours writing cheat tables just to get a better working camera, or spend whole weekends writing shaders for reshade to get an effect they want to add to a scene they ran into. Like I can't move to another planet to take shots of the insect life there, I have to do it on this planet, I can't just switch a game because someone doesn't like shots from that game. And why should I? As that was precisely what was told me. No reason why (publicly at least), just that blunt point.

And sorry, but 'this is shit' or 'do something else' is never good criticism. You learn nothing from it. Someone pointing out your mistakes and _why_ does make you learn something. Like I said many times before, if there's something wrong _in_ the shot, by all means tell me, so I can learn from that and take better shots.

In the end I think y'all could do with a mite thicker skin.
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Or... some other people should ;) Like, take a peek over at the console screenshot thread. 50% car game shots, 30% made by one guy, last time I checked.

Jim sure isn't the lowlife you make him out to be. Frankly, I find it galling to read through the past page and a half. Be glad not everyone out there is out to be friends first. If you think someone should be the bigger person and ignore your output if they don't like it, lead by example and ignore the way he goes about expressing himself if it stings. Or start talking instead of arguing. Are we all nine here? Surely not. Don't turn this into something it's not.
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Not sure I follow. I have asked multiple times what he meant, and without swearing. In fact I posted just 1 post with swear words, as enough was enough for me. Did I get an answer? Not in public. Was it what you think it is? Nope. Was it what I think it was: yep. It wasn't surprising though.

I would love to see more criticism on shots, constructive criticism that is. "This sucks", "please stop" and "shoot another game" aren't, and you know very well those aren't usable criticisms. They're just qualifications without value.

But, sorry to piss on your galling, I haven't seen a single word of constructive criticism on my nor on Nick's shots here. None. What was told to us wasn't criticism on the shots. It was criticism on the choice of game, it had nothing to do with composition, color, light, eyeflow, camera angles, depth of field. Nothing.

Much of what I'm saying here is based on my own perception of how poisonous pandering can be for anyone trying to become better at what they do. If someone tells me that what I do is shit, at the very least it breaks away any kind of complacency I might have felt. I don't have to like the person for how they said it, and I sure as hell don't have to thank them for phrasing it in a less than constructive manner, but silently, I'm thanking them all the same.
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Sure, if one thinks "Hey look at this great shot I took!" and it looks flat, has bad camera angles, unbalanced composition, terrible eyeflow, ugly usage of light, you can say "This looks shit". You also know that doesn't teach the person anything. There are an infinite number of possibilities why the shot sucks. Pointing them out, explaining why and what could be done better, will teach the person something. Like Phil did here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/52066611@N00/30537179225/in/dateposted/. I really appreciated that, as it teaches me something.

I can't imagine your students will be pleased with just "This sucks" from you, they need to know what's wrong, what can be done instead, so they learn for next time (you hope ;) ).

Look, I don't like what happened, I really don't. It's a hobby, and should be fun. For me it's not anymore, at least not posting here, as simple as that. That's not because of my skin thickness (usenet's comp.sys.databases.theory teaches you how to grow a skin of titanium ;) ) but because of all the friction and drama and shit, and I don't associate that with a hobby. If someone tells me I should stop posting shots of the game I'm currently playing (and it's a long game so it can take a while) it surely stops being fun for that moment, doesn't it?

Sure, I can just ignore it and move on, but this time I chose not to. Simply because I wanted to know why on earth I should stop posting shots.

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