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[Camper Van Beethoven]

No use in rushing to stick the word 'Muslim' onto this horrendous act.

Because that won't do any fucking good to anyone.

Neither will pretending it's not

 

[Master Yoshi]

Muslim extremists would be a good bet. No use dancing around the issue.

Based on what?

 

[Stead Fast]

Kudos to NBC. They were on the ball with this one. Got their information well before most others.

Got information before most others, 'information' being the subjective term there.

 

[MIMIC]

Why does it matter so much who got what first? Fucking hell.

I'm talking about their credibility. Settle down. Jesus.

 

[Pancake Mix]

No use in rushing to stick the word 'Muslim' onto this horrendous act.

Because that won't do any fucking good to anyone.

Who else would it likely be?

Dodging the facts won't do any fucking good to anyone.

 

[ColdDeckEd]

They're probably dead already going by some reports.

If there's a fate worse than hell they deserve it. I hope whatever network of people that supported them gets dismantled swiftly then.

 

[ldar247]

It is obviously terrorism and we know what kind of terrorism.

Rip to all victims, and hopefully they'll catch the fuckers who targeted a concert full of little girls.

Today is the third anniversary of the Elliot Rodger shooting. Unlikely, but it could be related to that instead of islamic terrorism.

 

[fastford58]

What kind of terrorism is it?

Pretty sure the point you're trying to make is going to work against you here.

Most likely suspect is going to be some radical islamist shell.

 

[MMarston]

Who else could it be?

One of those "edgelord/the-world-hates-me" types.

 

[Spaced Harrier]

What kind of terrorism is it?

Radical Islamic terrorism by a lone wolf and/or small cell (possibly only with wife brother or friend) with some small claim or link to Isis.

Or do you think maybe the IRA weren't fans of Ariana. Stuff like this just shuts up the thread.
.of course the above could be wrong but it's not likely and if it is it will get cleared up in time.

Christ let's guess more on it, he was a recent convert or was never too religious in the past. A drinker, a waster a nobody.

 

[amanset]

Neither will pretending it's not

Last time there were nail bombs in the UK it was a white Neo Nazi that really, really hated gay people.

 

[GiantBombGamer]

Who else would it likely be?

Dodging the facts won't do any fucking good to anyone.

Literally any sick, demented person?

 

[MIMIC]

Their information wasn't correct.

What did they report that wasn't correct?

fake edit: The 19 dead vs 20 dead? Well if that's what you're referring to, then yeah.

 

[Carnby]

God damn. Some of you people on this site need to get a fucking grip. 19 people are known dead, probably including children with 200 more reported injured and your mind goes to Trump. No one cares what he thinks right now. Fuck off.

Sorry but stop this shit.

Thank you for saying what needed to be said.

 

[cartesian]

This is unbelievable. It's horrific.

I lived in Manchester for four years and loved it. It's one of Britain's greatest cities - not very touristy - but a fantastic place to live and work. I now work for central government in London but my heart still prefers the spirit of Manchester. It's an awesome city and I'm so full of love and affection for it.

Manchester was bombed by the IRA in 1996 (no fatalities) and it bounced back stronger. Tragically this time people have lost their lives so the recovery will be much harder. But if there's any small glimmer of hope it's that Mancunians have come together regardless.

Thoughts are with you all. <3

 

[wandering]

Who else would it likely be?

Dodging the facts won't do any fucking good to anyone.

What facts? We have no facts yet.

Neither will pretending it's not

What happened to "speculation is bad"?

 

[Gallbaro]

What kind of terrorism is it?

Radical Jehovah Witnesses.

What until investigation provides details, then commentary on greater social troubles.

 

[Game-Biz]

Based on what?

Based on the last, I don't know, 20 years? There's not that many radical religions* that are utilizing suicide bombers.

edit: *I mispoke. By religions I meant the smaller, violent groups of radical terrorists, mainly in parts of the middle east (i.e. ISIS), that claim to be true form of their ridiculous interpretation of their religious ideology. I of course in no way think that the strong majority of Muslims fits into that category.

 

[RAWRferal]

Muslim extremists would be a good bet. No use dancing around the issue.

Dude... Poor choice of wording.

 

[plagiarize]

Neither will pretending it's not

Wait until the group step forwards, or we figure out who did it, and then call them by their name. Terms like 'Muslim extremists' do absolutely no good to any of the people in Manchester, and may cause undue harm to innocent Brits all across Great Britain who happen to look a particular way.

If you don't see the issue with a loose label like that, then I can only presume that you don't know the first thing about Manchester, and the large community of Muslims proud to call themselves Mancunians.

 

[chromatic9]

I know some people who won't go to concerts in Manchester due to fear of it being a target outside London and tonight sadly they've been proved right.

 

[Apocryphon]

Lee Rigby was killed on 22nd May 2013.

 

[Obliterator]

RIP to the victims and my thoughts are with their families.

You must he a truly sick fuck to target a concert clearly filled with young girls. It's times like these I almost wish religion was real so pieces of shit like this had a hell to go to

 

[louiedog]

Who else would it likely be?

Dodging the facts won't do any fucking good to anyone.

Let's wait for them.

 

[Spaced Harrier]

One of those "edgelord/the-world-hates-me" types.

Actually that is a possibility too in fairness.

 

[Kadin]

What did they report that wasn't correct?

fake edit: The 19 dead vs 20 dead? Well if that's what you're referring to, then yeah.

The reported 'hundreds' injured.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/866797578532175872

 

[BlazingDarkness]

Based on what?

Oh gee, I dunno, historical precedent?

 

[MIMIC]

Not sure if serious. They said like 200 injured and 20 killed. While close on the amount that died, the other was way off.

Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

That's in poor taste, now is not the time.

At least 19 are dead, probably most young people with their futures ahead of them. Talk about that.

What else is there to say other than that it's horrendous? Bemoaning that horrific circumstances often breed bad political reactions is hardly in bad taste, and I wasn't even all that specific.

 

[Pancake Mix]

Wait until the group step forwards, or we figure out who did it, and then call them by their name. Terms like 'Muslim extremists' do absolutely no good to any of the people in Manchester, and may cause undue harm to innocent Brits all across Great Britain who happen to look a particular way.

How about you think about the victims rather than worrying about whether someone will paint a larger group with the same brush as the extremist(s) involved?

Shouldn't be this hard...

 

[kaizoku]

Live in the city centre and can hear sirens and helicopters flying by. Are we supposed to just go to work in the morning &#128533;

 

[LNBL]

UK news was initially talking about a nail bomb, but are using the Suicide Bomber news with the source being US Officials. Let's just wait for the official sources, speculating on what kind of terrorism this is won't benefit the flow of information in this thread

 

[RAWRferal]

Based on the last, I don't know, 20 years? There's not that many radical religions that are utilizing suicide bombers.

There are no religions full stop using suicide bombers. Only brainwashed radicalized individuals and factions.

 

[Ray Wonder]

The reported 'hundreds' injured.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/866797578532175872

That's what multiple senior law enforcement officials said.

 

[Breakage]

Damn, so suicide bombing being suggested...how do you reason with someone who would rather lose their life than relinquish their ideology?

 

[Stead Fast]

I've been concerned with cities like Manchester being a target like this for some time now. Outside of London, cities like this are both flourishing examples of culture, commerce and education. Again, praise to the response from emergency services, but their will certainly be some serious reform to how Manchester, and it's neighbouring cities handles security at large venues like the Arena, starting with the football stadiums.

 

[sflufan]

If its a suicide bomber its a short list.

As far as I know, the known groups that have practiced suicide bombing are:

- Islamic extremists
- Tamil extremists
- one instance of a Sikh suicide bomber
- Kurdish nationalists/Marxists

 

[Oersted]

Yes, a islamistic attack is not unlikely based on what we know.

No, that does not justify glee or xenophobia.

And yes, learn to wait. We don't know enough.

 

[Flo_Evans]

man fuck terrorists.

 

[BlackGhost]

Who else would it likely be?

Dodging the facts won't do any fucking good to anyone.

Terrorism isn't pigeon holed into one group of people.

 

[biggersmaller]

Can we wait until the tragedy is even over before we start ripping news outlets and getting political?

Fucking kids are dead. Dead.

 

[DrSlek]

Pretty sure the point you're trying to make is going to work against you here.

Most likely suspect is going to be some radical islamist shell.

Probably, but as yet I've seen no confirmations of the sort. The only source I've seen for it being a suicide bombing has been from NBC and Reuters, which I'm not ready to take as credible just yet as their sources are apparently from "U.S. officials" rather than from local sources.

 

[Lord Frieza]

Damn, so suicide bombing being suggested...how do you reason with someone who would rather lose their life than relinquish their ideology?

You can't

 

[plagiarize]

How about you think about the victims rather than worrying about whether someone will paint a larger group with the same brush?

Shouldn't be this hard...

What fucking good does it do the victims to guess who might be behind this and try to tie it to a religious belief?

Those dead girls and their grieving families are going to do what? Exactly? Pat you on the head for being 'brave' enough to 'say what everyone is thinking'?

Fuck off.

 

[LNBL]

Based on the last, I don't know, 20 years? There's not that many radical religions that are utilizing suicide bombers.

I hope you mean radicalized individuals and groups

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

BBC and Sky both now questioning how US outlets are reporting stuff way before them and seemingly having info they don't (or can't report yet).

This is awful enough without the media reporting about the media...

 

[zsynqx]

Damn, so suicide bombing being suggested...how do you reason with someone who would rather lose their life than relinquish their ideology?

By doing more to challenge said ideology.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Press conference in 2 mins?

 

[Vivalaraza]

Ugh - in this moment here and now what use is it to speculate who is responsible.

We know what the trend is. We also know that it is possible that it might not be radical 'Islamists'.

We will know soon enough. Why can't people just wait for that clarification?

 

[Izuna]

Oh so now we're at that stage, speculating on whether it is Islam extremists or not.

Can we have a minute before that shit show?