SoRuffShoNuff
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Not sure how helpful that would be in stopping something like this as there will always be a choke point of people ENTERING the arena.
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22 dead, 59 injured in Manchester Arena explosion (Being treated as an attack)
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Not sure how helpful that would be in stopping something like this as there will always be a choke point of people ENTERING the arena.
Lord Morairty007
Member
I did a concert for her this year in Orlando. RIP to all who perished. We in the arena business all train for stuff like this but hope that it never happens.
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
That it does, however that was 15 years ago.
Stead Fast
Banned
BBC News reporting Police conference is imminent.
GoldenCrow
Member
It didn't happen in the arena it happened in Victoria station where one of the entrances to the arena is, as well as Go Karting and fast food stalls. There are no metal detectors anyway, well there weren't the last time I went but if there were it wouldn't have mattered.
IT IS A PUBLIC AREA.
Stead Fast
Banned
By 'that area' it wasn't the arena itself, it was still considered public space. I can imagine there were stewards nearby, but clearly the bomber didn't go to the point where security was more organised for the event.
The explosion appears to have happened just outside the security line at the entrance.
I've been afraid for a while that terrorists would figure out that security lines are massive queues of people with no screening yet, and therefore are very vulnerable :-(
Wouldn't matter to be honest.
You can make a suicide bomb with PVC pipe and marbles or ceramic bearings.
The wiring would not set anything off. Wiring could be a phone charger.
TiredofWinning
Member
NY Times reporting that there was no smoke from the explosion. Does that make it more likely to be a nail bomb?
Fucking hell.
There is a wave of Islamist extremist terror in Europe since 2014. No one is disputing that.
A person literally said "we know what kind of terrorism this is", and when that was questioned, others jumped in immediately to attach Islam to this tragedy.
A bunch of other people criticized this as unhelpful speculation.
Now you are hopping up and down to politicize this event while having the gall to have said this:
Stop it.
Oh I had no idea the explosion happened outside. Like outside the stadium? All the headlines mention happening at the Manchester Arena so I thought it would be inside. Yeah it happened outside wouldn't have made no difference if they even had metal detectors.
Also that does fit the scanairo of a suicide bomber, wait for the mass exit with people all leaving and then to blow him self up for maximum damage.
Also that does fit the scanairo of a suicide bomber, wait for the mass exit with people all leaving and then to blow him self up for maximum damage.
plagiarize
Banned
I'm sure you enjoy pissing people like me off every time you insist on tying extremism to religion.
Just call ISIL ISIL. Just call Al Qaeda Al Qaeda. You can do it I'm sure.
When Manchester was bombed in 1996, no one called the IRA catholic extremists. We called them the IRA. Because that's what they were called and because tying it to their religion wouldn't have solved anything, or done any good to the many Catholics living in Manchester, like those worshipping at St Mary's hidden gem just down the street from the explosion.
If this was indeed radical Islamic terrorism, wouldn't it make more sense to do the attack before voting registration ends?
They want more people to vote against Muslims not less.
plagiarize
Banned
It was inside the foyer, but outside the arena. So, outside where security checks are done.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Nail bomb is just a bomb with shrapnel which is just to increase leathality. Still needs an explosion
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
ISIL stands for Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. Kinda impossible to unlink the two.
Happened outside the arena, in the exit area between the arena and victoria station, foyer. Seems like attacker knew to wait till concert over to target exitgoers.
Well UK authorities have to share with US officials/authorities who are probably trying to update everyone back home. The disconnect seem to be with UK ground officials aka UK cops and UK officials who are not necessarily sharing with UK media on the ground, and UK media have to be more sure of what they are reporting.
every single thread after an apparent attack will descend into the same "but is the perpetrator a muslim?" discussion without fail. There's seemingly no time to lose to start looking for a culprit before we know the facts. And now a bunch of people here feel validated after the suicide bomber confirmation - uh, nicely done? Are you that eager to derail the thread and fill it with meaningless speculation?
Stead Fast
Banned
Which highlights the darkest problem with security against this, I have no idea how you could efficiently prevent it any more than a lot of venues and places do. If reform is needed, it would be more public vigilance (again, not so effective here as it was an area at night, not a lot of public I'd imagine, and most who were there were inside the arena), and greater escape measures for people and staff. Beeb was speculating that a number of injuries may have been caused by mass crushing by fleeing crowds.
Vivalaraza
Member
Yep. Anytime I've been to a sports event lately or to a concert or show the bag check has not been what I would describe as robust. For obvious reasons, you can't check every bag inside out.
Suspect we are going to head closer to the NFL model where you're just not allowed to have a bag.
Of course - wouldn't have mattered either way in this situation from the sounds of things.
For some context the arena entrance is accessed via a train station which is obviously public space.
Once you get in the arena there's some security to get in but the explosion is outside that space where crowds are gathering.
That's why video of the actual auditorium seems fine, no debris etc.
Once you get in the arena there's some security to get in but the explosion is outside that space where crowds are gathering.
That's why video of the actual auditorium seems fine, no debris etc.
AlexFlame116
Member
Kaz Hirai posted about the attacks too.
I dont normally tweet stuff like this. As a resident of Manchester in real life, my thoughts are with all the victims and their families
It has a photo which has the telephone number for the Holiday Inn.
I hope that some families are finding hope with this.
Sorry I meant to say the parody account. I'm an idiot.
I dont normally tweet stuff like this. As a resident of Manchester in real life, my thoughts are with all the victims and their families
It has a photo which has the telephone number for the Holiday Inn.
I hope that some families are finding hope with this.
Sorry I meant to say the parody account. I'm an idiot.
I'm 100% for this, never understood what you might need a bag for anyway in these kinds of events.
Probably means whoever did it knew what they were doing, had professional knowledge or help.
Yeah... this is terrifying.. Every large event I have been to has some public area's nearby with massive crowds consisting of either people going to or leaving the event. Even if you broaden and tighten security around the venue, for events with tens of thousands of people there will be chocking points with relatively large crowds in public area's still.
paperspace
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polyh3dron
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Polygonal_Sprite
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Crazy that I'm sitting here less than a mile from the attack getting news of what actually happened from American news outlets thousands of miles away. I guess Sky News are being careful not to report things until they've been triple checked.
RIP to the dead and best wishes to the injured. It's going to be difficult to sleep tonight.
RIP to the dead and best wishes to the injured. It's going to be difficult to sleep tonight.
plagiarize
Banned
Do you know anything about the history of the troubles in Ireland and how the IRA came to be?
Ray Wonder
Founder of the Wounded Tagless Children
90% of the thread is meaningless speculation. 10% are reported facts being presented. The 10% of facts, line up with common recent history. It's okay to speculate. I believe. When I speculate, I am in no way vilifying Islam as a whole. Only extremists, which most Muslims hate just as much as me.
Nope, nor is that relevant to my point. You say, "Call ISIL ISIL." which is extremely similar to saying "Islamic extremists" considering ISIL includes the word "Islamic."
Lord Morairty007
Member
Here in Orlando we only allow clear bags in the building for concerts or sporting events.
People were just as adamant in theorizing that it was a balloon.
It is standard in a lot of stadiums.
This is almost a certainty at this point. US intelligence officials are reporting with hgih confidence this was a male, possible suicide bomber. UK officials probably sharing the CCTV footage with them as we speak. And probably won't share video until perpetrator shown on camera to make sure victims/gruesome isn't shown.
They had help because they knew to wait until concert was over, where they perhaps wouldn't have been searched.
AlexFlame116
Member
I'm sorry I completely forgot to add that part. I'm not fully myself right now.
I fixed it though!
That is a comedy account though he's breaking out of character in this instance.
Could have factors like managed to avoid detection long enough, make effective plan of execution, make effective device etc.
I always hate when they say this. Any idiot can walk into a crowd of unsuspecting people and detonate a bomb. Besides the bomb making it's not like any meaningful logistics went into this.