QuicheFontaine
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I'm fine with that, and will probably do the same. I don't want to know their names.
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22 dead, 59 injured in Manchester Arena explosion (Being treated as an attack)
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I'm fine with that, and will probably do the same. I don't want to know their names.
BossDarkseid
Member
Yeah, this seems correct. Police say bomber died at the scene (I mean it was a suicide bomb but there were conflicting reports) and apparently they are still trying to identify things from CCTV.
Captain Smirk
Member
Shout out to the emergency services throughout the night, taxi drivers taking people away and the hotels for sheltering missing children. Hope all the missing people get found ASAP.
I mean, pretty much every major war in the 20th century had absolutely nothing to do with religion and we saw violence and cruelty at unprecedented scale.
I'm certainly not going to argue there isn't a major issue with extremist Islam right now, but if there's one thing human history tells you is that pretty much any and every excuse has been used to commit violence.
That's because people from Manchester are fucking awesome. I say this as a southern shite who fell for one
Alas they're all too familiar with this sort of thing and the response is the same. Help anyone in need, and Fuck you to the terrorists.
It's still cute when people refer to the Manchester Arena as the MEN. My partner still does too despite the sponsorship expiring ages ago.
shinra-bansho
Member
This is a terrible tragedy, and if there is broader organisation behind it I think that the full force of the law should be brought down upon the perpetrators.
This largely goes without saying. No one is chipper about it.
That doesn't mean one can't point out the ridiculousness some people are spouting. With limited factual basis. Where even if assumptions bear truth, the comments are ridiculous.
It is the British way. Don't let it affect you.
On the day of the Stockholm attack I went to the pub instead of going home from work, just like I had planned to.
The paris attacks were also at a concert and a soccer game. Big crowds, unprepared people, chaos. The brussels attacks on an airport and metro, people going on vacation or just going to work. It's always a situation where people don't expect it.
But don't give in to fear. When the brussels attacks happened I went to a concert the day after (gaslamp killer - ironically) - and he brought a message of unity for all that showed up, it felt like a relieve after the tension we all lived in for the hours after the attacks.
MarkMclovin
Member
Terrible news to wake up to.
fierrotlepou
Member
Woke up to this.
What a tragedy. Fuck the guy that did this, and the people responsible. Humans are fucking disgusting.
What a tragedy. Fuck the guy that did this, and the people responsible. Humans are fucking disgusting.
oipic
Member
Ah, of course - thanks, yes, that's a very good point. Even 'home' isn't spared from this, which just further muddies the matter, and probably renders the question of 'why' this is happening, and continuing to happen, a moot point - perhaps there is no point, and it is simply mindless after all? I just don't understand the higher power or motives at play at all.
Patrick S.
Banned
One of the very few times where he hit the nail on the head.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Oh my God.
What the fuck.
Horrible, horrible news. I'm so fucking mad right now - words cannot describe my anger.
When will this shit fucking stop?
What the fuck.
Horrible, horrible news. I'm so fucking mad right now - words cannot describe my anger.
When will this shit fucking stop?
I think this was already debunked early on last night
Thousands of people at the gig. Noisy. Lots of balloons. No visibility. A couple of hours of probably hearing booms and bangs. In context at the gig, I entirely see why initially some may have thought it
Patrick S.
Banned
Thanks.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
You'll get a lot of different responses to this. Some would say it's all self-defence against western imperialism. I wish I believed that (I did in the years after 9/11), but unfortunately I now think that's a leftist academic's beer goggles view of the situation. "Everything was economic inequality", they say.
Personally, the answer I'd present at this point is: desperate and humiliated* Muslims turned to a back-to-basics vision of Islam... and it's important to remember how Islam was in its first centuries. It was a God-sanctioned form of government that was considered "destined" to rule over the old world (including and especially Europe, where it was presumed to "patch" the outdated corruption of God's word that was Christendom). Muslims were very surprised when they were halted in their conquering of Europe at the Battle of Tours, because their eventual dominance over that land was promised by God. And they've grown increasingly confused by Islam's more recent shrinking dominance in the world, considering it contradicts what God promised them.
*So while these radical Muslims might have been made destitute and susceptible to extremist thinking by the humiliation of western imperialism (that's a side question), their ideology is not to strike back at the West, per se, but to restore Islam to political dominance on the earth. The West is merely the main obstacle to this project. They have a black and white reading of their religion, and it claims to be political destiny for the earth. They're working to make it happen. And terrorist attacks are the limited means they have to push the world in this direction. It seems like a small and futile stone throw at a giant.... but who knows, they've already moved governments rightward and divided us, so who knows if it's a bad strategy for their goals....
Balloon talk was always ridiculous if you saw the response of police.
You don't deploy armed police, bomb squads and close a train station for a stampede.
This is just speculation obviously but that death toll isn't done yet. some of those injured aren't making it.
The question around extremist terrorism really needs an answer, fast. There's only so much people are gonna take before things get very ugly for innocent people (read: muslims)
The question around extremist terrorism really needs an answer, fast. There's only so much people are gonna take before things get very ugly for innocent people (read: muslims)
Sevenfold
Member
...was your only input. You didn't scold the person you quoted nor did you point anything out. If you thought the member's post had no place in a thread of this nature why not just delete it?
ClosingADoor
Member
We see the same almost every attack. When a truck went into a crowd, we hoped for it to be just an accident. When the attacks in Paris happened, we hoped it was just some gang violence.
It is holding out hope that it is just a small thing compared to an actual terrorist attack, so that casualties aren't too high. Plus it is easier to make sense of it that way. I can understand an accident, how horrific the result might be. I can't understand someone exploding a bomb in a crowd of teenagers.
Manchester got bombed by the Nazis. Manchester got bombed by the IRA.
Manchester will not be cowed by a pathetic attack like this. We will mourn, and then we will come together, stronger than before.
Please stop posting random social media bullshit.
Have some respect for the 22 people who have died and the many others injured.
Manchester will not be cowed by a pathetic attack like this. We will mourn, and then we will come together, stronger than before.
Please stop posting random social media bullshit.
Have some respect for the 22 people who have died and the many others injured.
MosquitoSmasher
Member
So not an accident and very likely a attack?
Absolutely terrible all these things going on in this world.
Absolutely terrible all these things going on in this world.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
So sad to wake up to this. I went in bed reading it was some balloon now wake up to learn it was an attack and in Manchester too
KarneeKarnay
Member
It's days like this I get upset we even have to share our air with people who do this. It's also when I am reminded that we are British and we don't give in. It's right to feel as I did, but to be a free and democratic country we can't give into it.
There will be people who will try and manipulate this awful event to their own ends, the perpetrators and the political scum that seek to use this to further their own ends. But there will be more of the other. People who will come out and in the face of the worst of humanity, show the best of it.
I've seen the cab drivers flocking to the city to give free lifts all those impacted. People offering up their homes for those that can't get home. Doctors, Nurses, Officers and Fire Service men and women, offer to take extra shifts to help.
We can't give in. We won't give in and we will refuse to let ourselves be defined by the acts of cowards. I'm prouder to be British today.
There will be people who will try and manipulate this awful event to their own ends, the perpetrators and the political scum that seek to use this to further their own ends. But there will be more of the other. People who will come out and in the face of the worst of humanity, show the best of it.
I've seen the cab drivers flocking to the city to give free lifts all those impacted. People offering up their homes for those that can't get home. Doctors, Nurses, Officers and Fire Service men and women, offer to take extra shifts to help.
We can't give in. We won't give in and we will refuse to let ourselves be defined by the acts of cowards. I'm prouder to be British today.
It is not new normal, attacks have been happening for decades.Grim news to wake up to this morning. This is now the new normal, I can't see a future without these kind of attacks happening.
70- and 80is had extreme amount of attacks.
Corleth the Fey
Member
My heart goes out to all those affected.
I live and work in Manchester. I have to travel through the city on the public transport to get to work. I normally pass through Victoria. Instead I got off the tram early and walked through town. It was eerily quiet around Victoria. No trams buses or vehicles. Stay safe all.
I live and work in Manchester. I have to travel through the city on the public transport to get to work. I normally pass through Victoria. Instead I got off the tram early and walked through town. It was eerily quiet around Victoria. No trams buses or vehicles. Stay safe all.
This kind of rhetoric is very dangerous. Extremist terrorism doesn't have an answer. Not a short and fast one anyway. Talking about people generalising and marginalising communities because they are associated with the Muslim religion is not the answer. These communities are just as shocked and appalled as everyone else and blaming them or expecting people to blame them will invariably make the situation worse.
We need to keep calm, respect those that have lost their lives and try to learn from every event when it happens. Is there more we could have done to prevent this attack? Was there chatter about it beforehand? What happened when the guy tried to access the venue? Was he reported as a suspicious character? Etc etc
I am sorry, I disagree with ''Back-to-basics Islam''. Today's Islam is no different than when the Islam was incepted. Extremist always existed after Prophets death. They are called ''Khawarij'' and they always caused fear, not only in western civilization at the time, but also amongst muslims.
Also I want to point out that timestamps mean nothing when everyone is in a different time zone and the time zone the screenshot was taken in is unknown
cyberheater
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So no organization taking responsibility yet? I find that odd.
i actually like that.
The fast answer involves taking away the rights of a broad group of people. The vast majority of them innocent (read: muslim travel ban)
Subpar Scrub
Banned
This is an important thing that I agree with. People should take into consideration when screencapping social media posts.
Probably the first time I've ever agreed with Trump on anything. If we sensationalise terrorism, we are playing right into their hands.
Pankratous
Member
The more I read, and the more I see pictures of victims as they were before the attack, and people posting online about their now deceased friend, the more disgusted I feel.
shinra-bansho
Member
I think it's pretty self-explanatory in pointing out the ridiculousness of "feeling safe" warranting deportation of brown Muslim British citizens on the unsubstantiated presumption this is a brown Muslim. And the lack of similar responses when heinous acts of terror are committed by other ethnic and religious groups, given nobody anywhere suddenly thought the Quebecois suspect as a group after that attack.
But perhaps your mileage may vary.
The members post does nothing that warrants deletion beyond simply being nonsensical.
What I do or don't delete isn't really your concern regardless.
Marvel
could never
Yeah, not bad.
Pretty good from Trump.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
This is a good response. Humiliate them. Make them feel small, pathetic, alone.
Grim news to wake up to this morning. This is now the new normal, I can't see a future without these kind of attacks happening.
As the post below yours points out, attacks like these have happened long before this particular band of religious crazies started doing them. There's a lot of dickheads out there.
He's right you know.
Part of the power of terrorism is the almost mythological power we give them. The fear they crave to shape our lives and to change our way of life because of them is exactly what they want.
They're not losers, they're scum. Cowards who can't win argument with the most powerful weapons, words so resort to the weakness of destruction. We need to stand up for what is right, by showing that we will never change because of them.