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Whelp, I hate to be that guy, but I think this just won the Tories the election, and Brexit got a bunch of new supporters.
RIP to those lost in this tragedy.
RIP to those lost in this tragedy.
I wouldn't take that as much. I feel IS will claim any attack they can even if they are not directly involved. It furthers their cause this way. If they were really responsible they wouldn't have waited to see if someone else had claimed it.
It's an inconvenient truth that brutal dictators (particularly secular ones like Saddam and Gaddafi) helped keep rogue terrorist organisations in check. Sure they caused the West some minor bother, but they weren't ever a threat to our daily way of life. Better the devil you know, I guess...
They were always going to win so don't be that guyWhelp, I hate to be that guy, but I think this just won the Tories the election, and Brexit got a bunch of new supporters.
RIP to those lost in this tragedy.
Whelp, I hate to be that guy, but I think this just won the Tories the election, and Brexit got a bunch of new supporters.
RIP to those lost in this tragedy.
You need a dictionary. Nothing about knowingly blowing up children is 'accidental'.Yes, there's a difference.
You are going to treat me differently if I ran over your child by accident, or intentionally stabbed her.
Yeah but we'll claim platitudes about not letting the terrorists win. Eugh.
I wouldn't take that as much. I feel IS will claim any attack they can even if they are not directly involved. It furthers their cause this way. If they were really responsible they wouldn't have waited to see if someone else had claimed it.
Terrorism will always win. It's just too damn effective.
It's not whataboutism if people ask for the reasons behind these attacks. The US and their allies have killed thousands of civilians, often they are anticipated collateral damage, which still makes them "on purpose", but there have been leaks of double tap attacks that target civilians spezifically.It's pure whattsbouttism, and it has no place in this thread.
If someone wants to talk about that they should kindly gtfo out of this thread and start another one.
Surprise sur-fuckin-prise. Fuck them hard.
Whelp, I hate to be that guy, but I think this just won the Tories the election, and Brexit got a bunch of new supporters.
RIP to those lost in this tragedy.
Agreed. But considering the Middle-east countries can't get their shit together also, there will always be that call for the West to stop in when things go wrong. Look at Libya and Syria. Do we let them murder each other, or try to at least protect some people there. It's an impossible task either way.
The solution needs to come from within, but that is going to be a very hard if not impossible process at this rate.
Terrorism will always win. It's just too damn effective.
Don't they normally give the name, if it's a directly connected attack? They used to do that afaik.
It was either ISIS or AQ.
No one else uses suicide attacks against soft targets.
Even if it's some loon radicalized by ISIS via the internet it is an ISIS attack.
ISIS will claim responsibility for anything that instills fear in western countries.
The interesting thing will be if its an isis inspired attack or if this was directly planned by isis themselves.
This might not be the most popular opinion for people in the west but unless the gulf states step up the wests best bet would be western friendly(or atleast neutral) strongmen(Like Gaddafi or Sadam) who atleast can keep their countries stable. Of course people will scream about human rights and our democratic values but i think we should abandon the idea that every country necessarily has to be a western democracy.
It's an inconvenient truth that brutal dictators (particularly secular ones like Saddam and Gaddafi) helped keep rogue terrorist organisations in check. Sure they caused the West some minor bother, but they weren't ever a threat to our daily way of life. Better the devil you know, I guess...
These guys need to slowly give away power to their people, so the institutions and society can adapt to it. We didn't go from kingdoms to democracy in one go in Europe also. It went slowly, with setbacks and fights. But it is now at least relatively stable because the people are used to it.It's just not sustainable in the long term. Because dictators can at some point, turn mad. Or say if the next Saudi King, turned into Joffre.
Without checks and balances, these dictatorships ultimately collapse on themselves eventually, I don't know many dictatorships that don't either become a massive problem, or exist on a timeline that is extremely shaky in contrast to the rule of law and democracy.
Sadam wasn't what kept the terrorist organisations in check, it was the governance, the control. When he was removed, they didn't erect a power structure capable enough of keeping the terrorists in check. We created a vacuum and they took over in those ungovernable spaces. This isn't just the mid east that happens. Think about all those warlords in Africa. They exist because of ungoverned space.
Fuck them. Also, they also claimed the Brussia Dortman team bombing which turned out to be a loner trying to profit from trading shares. So I doubt it, they are trying to stay relevant now that Iraqi forces are hunting them down. Cunts
Please wait for investigators to conclude on any connections and affiliations the attacker might have had before jumping to conclusions.It was either ISIS or AQ.
No one else uses suicide attacks against soft targets.
Even if it's some loon radicalized by ISIS via the internet it is an ISIS attack.
These guys need to slowly give away power to their people, so the institutions and society can adapt to it. We didn't go from kingdoms to democracy in one go in Europe also. It went slowly, with setbacks and fights. But it is now at least relatively stable because the people are used to it.
Wow!You need a dictionary. Nothing about knowingly blowing up children is 'accidental'.
Let me make this plain for you since you're having trouble.
The west knowingly kills children. Thousands of them.
Whelp, I hate to be that guy, but I think this just won the Tories the election, and Brexit got a bunch of new supporters.
RIP to those lost in this tragedy.
It always works as distraction, atleast when it happens in the west. Thats about it.
The Tories were always going to win regardless of current events.
Do you also avoid crossing busy roads? Have you stopped driving? Have you stopped flying?
I see where you're coming from but it's completely the wrong mentality to have. You're letting the terrorists win. We can't live our lives in fear.
Even if he's amongst the injured he could be without access to post that he's ok. Hope he turns out to be ok.A few friends on my Facebook are plastering my timeline looking for information on a certain person that they know that hasn't been in contact since last night. This is someone who's very social media-oriented (always Snapchatting, Instagramming etc.) , he even snapchatted mid-concert, and they haven't heard anything.
Not looking good but I hope he's okay.
The BBC has been told that the youngest victim of the Manchester Arena attack was of primary school age. The rest were older children/adults
That is why it needs to go slow. Right now, if you hold elections, they vote in religious parties that will restrict the rights of a ton of people again.Yeah but they don't wanna right? And you can't have revolutions like that anymore, technologically speaking, it's just not possible without massive collateral damage.
I was shocked, my mid east lore isn't so great. I didn't realise Iran was an actual democracy... we should be supporting them more than the fucking Saudis. Billions of guns to the saudis, that'll get filtered down towards who knows who.
No. It kills them. Stop trivializing the willful murder of innocents so that we can kill a few ISIS fighters.Wow!
You're saying that any attack on a terrorist/militant was wrong because it happens to endanger the civilians/children around him?
I can't imagine the compartmentalization going on in your head. Blowing up kids is ok in some instances but not in others?And you're making a moral equivalence to people like in Manchester who intentionally target random children unconnected to a personal threat to them?
I feel bad for you actually. This looks bad.
I don't think they officially claimed that, did they? There were letters found but those were placed there by the loner to lead the investigation on the wrong track.Fuck them. Also, they also claimed the Brussia Dortman team bombing which turned out to be a loner trying to profit from trading shares. So I doubt it, they are trying to stay relevant now that Iraqi forces are hunting them down. Cunts
Wow!
You're saying that any attack on a terrorist/militant was wrong because it happens to endanger the civilians/children around him?
And you're making a moral equivalence to people like in Manchester who intentionally target random children unconnected to a personal threat to them?
I feel bad for you actually. This looks bad.
I think they only do that if it's someone who has been tasked with an attack or made some kind of video loyalty pledge.
English Amaq statement:
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https://twitter.com/siteintelgroup/status/866987377520193540
I think they only do that if it's someone who has been tasked with an attack or made some kind of video loyalty pledge.
English Amaq statement:
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https://twitter.com/siteintelgroup/status/866987377520193540
Yup."What was the name of the culprit then, ISIS?"
"Uh..."
A few friends on my Facebook are plastering my timeline looking for information on a certain person that they know that hasn't been in contact since last night. This is someone who's very social media-oriented (always Snapchatting, Instagramming etc.) , he even snapchatted mid-concert, and they haven't heard anything.
Not looking good but I hope he's okay.
That is why it needs to go slow. Right now, if you hold elections, they vote in religious parties that will restrict the rights of a ton of people again.
Iran is not really a democracy in the Western sense. I guess it is better then Saudi Arabia, but it is far from what we are used to in the West. Problem in Saudi Arabia is probably, if you don't have a strong king at the top, these guys will go back to tribalism like we saw in Libya.
Second victim named is 8 year old saffie rose roussos according to the guardian.