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22 dead, 59 injured in Manchester Arena explosion (Being treated as an attack)
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And ? Criticizing Islam in particular is still not the same as saying "muslims are a mistake", which is the direct equivalent of the examples you posted.
plagiarize
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I know numerous people in Manchester who, as no fans of the Tories, support the idea of Scotland bailing out of the UK and trying to rejoin Europe. Heck I know some who've joked about moving there and wanting to leave too.
It's one thing to be a nationalist, but it's another thing to laugh at dead children because they're English.
You are going to have to back this up with facts, he isn't a sitting MP, MSP or councillor. 54/56 MPs are fighting to keep their seat so it is highly unlikely he is standing for Westminster.
I'm joking, I have no real views either way on independence, this guy's clearly fucking insane
Only saying what I read. He could be just a low tier guy in the SNP, but then he is still part of the SNP. Guys Facebook has been closed so he knows he has fucked up.
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@AP
BREAKING: US officials: British authorities have identified suspected Manchester suicide bomber as Salman Abedi.
Radical Islam must be neutralized means that every mosque or imam that preaches violence against the west must be eliminated or curtailed. This must be done to prevent the radicalization of young muslim men be stopped.
Also all muslims must learn to embrace secularism. There should be no support for Sharia law or any religious doctrine in the legal system. This is how religious intolerance was removed from western countries although there are still problems with christian radicals in America and Ireland.
Next, and this is probably the hardest step, but Western war profiteering must end. No doubt western bombing of middle eastern countries is a major contributor to the spread of radical islam. It creates the West is at war with Islam perception and leads to a never ending cycle of retaliation that harms both the West and the Middle East. It's good for no one but the war profiteers.
This is my leftist solution to the problem of radical islam.
Also all muslims must learn to embrace secularism. There should be no support for Sharia law or any religious doctrine in the legal system. This is how religious intolerance was removed from western countries although there are still problems with christian radicals in America and Ireland.
Next, and this is probably the hardest step, but Western war profiteering must end. No doubt western bombing of middle eastern countries is a major contributor to the spread of radical islam. It creates the West is at war with Islam perception and leads to a never ending cycle of retaliation that harms both the West and the Middle East. It's good for no one but the war profiteers.
This is my leftist solution to the problem of radical islam.
plagiarize
Banned
I didn't think you were doing anything more than going 'Jeez, yet another hot button topic getting brought up'. I was just making the point, for those that don't know, that Manchester is probably one of the more understanding parts of England when it comes to cause of Scottish nationalists. Which makes statements like his even worse for me than if this attack happened somewhere that regularly voted Tory, or that voted to leave the EU.
Yeah, news is a shit show. They should have a ticker at the bottom saying new updates will be reported when they come in and a summary every hour while reporting on all other news. It's pointless coverage otherwise and only amplifies the attack.
boiled goose
good with gravy
All forms of religion are definitely bad. Of course not all are equally bad.
When your world view and path to knowledge are faulty, that leads to faulty conclusions.
Religious moderates also provide cover for extremists. All point to same holy books and faith and revelation as paths to truth. That's a problem
plagiarize
Banned
The name "losers" for these people is one thing I'll actually agree with Trump on. Tragic, and needless loss of life, many affected being younger than I am, from what I gather. I would say to people right now having feelings of fear, and paranoia, don't feed into it. It's the exact reaction scum like this want. Chaos, and instability. Don't give them it. They will never win.
There's been a bombardment with press on it at the moment, so I'll ask here. Has the motive been discovered yet? Been a lot of assumptions, naturally, but not seen anything that confirms this. Not that it matters with disgusting shit like this, just want to be correctly informed.
There's been a bombardment with press on it at the moment, so I'll ask here. Has the motive been discovered yet? Been a lot of assumptions, naturally, but not seen anything that confirms this. Not that it matters with disgusting shit like this, just want to be correctly informed.
We'll that is the problem with Fake News. One easily duped person reads something, then reports it elsewhere without thinking or checking the accuracy of the news.
leatherhat
Member
Known to police. As usual.
Changed it until more info comes out about him.
WHAT THE FUCK!
And young and possibly angry...
WordsintheWater
Member
Seeing pictures of a few of those who were killed, an 8 year old girl among them, fucking hell man, how evil of a human being can you be? Tears in my eyes reading about the victims, RIP.
vonStirlitz
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, man, it's brutal.
But this is particularly shitty, as it was a lot of kids simply going to have a nice night out and see their idol. It turned out shit and children suffered.
There us no good in the event, but sometimes shit events are turning points in bad processes. Perhaps, the misguided twats that get hooked on this mana of hatred might wake up a bit when they see what has happened, and actually realise that they are the bad guys, not the heroes fighting the oppressors. That they are child killers. And maybe the recruiting and the idiocy and the communities that foster this might stop.
I doubt it, but I can only hope.
Are you a moderator?
plagiarize
Banned
No. Do you know what the word please means?
brokenbeans
Banned
Amsterdam stag-do two weeks today then 5 weeks till honeymoon in Paris, these cunts won't make me live in a bubble. Cunts.
So you're not a moderator, then? Please refrain from telling others where to post.
Thank you.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
Reading the info about the people that died just breaks me.
Link doesn't go anywhere, but assuming it's a drone strike. Similar to how a doctor must cut into healthy tissue to get a cancer before it spreads and does more damage. Things like chemotherapy are unfortunately the best option out of a lot of bad options.
There's no comparison to hacking off limbs to cause fear and gain political advantage. This would seem absurdly obvious but there are a shocking percentage of people who make these sorts of moral equivalences.
Sure this man beheaded random innocent people on TV, raped women, killed children in various bombings all to make some religious point and look cool in front of his buddies. But you killed the people he purposefully surrounded himself with in an air strike. he knew that at least if there was casualties people would make an equivalence that you're the same. So you're the same.
Rktk
Member
I'm not sure if it's right or wrong, when you feel closer to something you care more about it. If we were talking about election results it would go without saying that GAF as a whole cares more about the US than Iran. When it comes to the killing of people that point can become uncomfortable. Even moreso when you consider instances where Western governments are in part the reason for the destabilisation of nations that then fall apart and became engulfed in violence.
I wouldn't say I'm ambivalent, it does sadden me to hear about the atrocities that happen in countries far from me but I accept I'm going to care more about deaths in Manchester and indeed so does GAF as a whole.
Jezbollah
Member
Maybe a MSP or Councilor? Any political affiliation for someone making such comments would be quickly established (and no doubt that person quickly ostracized by that political entity).
I hope that is indeed more made up bollocks. Either way, it's not needed here, now.
Really conflicted what to do about this problem.
I'd say focus more on prevention but i'm not sure that's enough.
Intelligence services can't guarantee 100% safety and are overwhelmed by the sheer amount of suspects.
I don't think locking people with known terrorist ties up is the optimal way too go but i think at some point the decision will be made to lock them up for public safety.
plagiarize
Banned
It was a polite request.
It would be nice if the discussion was kept separate. That's literally the be all and end all of my post. But sure, I can't stop you from compounding my grief today. So knock yourself out and keep ranting about how we need to eliminate Imams and stuff.
BlazingDarkness
Member
She is still missing.
It's sad to say but I'm pretty certain anyone who is still missing will be amongst the deceased.
plagiarize
Banned
Share those concerns with the community and try to see if they can reach out the individual? I'm not sure what steps are already done beyond trying to monitor the individual...
But I doubt we've already got the best things in place, acknowledging that no solution will be perfect.
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Deleted member 231381
Unconfirmed Member
There's only one person named Alister Craigie on the electoral roll, and you have to be on the open one as someone running for political office IIRC. He lives in Dundee. None of the SNP councillors in Dundee or related districts are called Alister Craigie. At most, he's an ex-SNP candidate, but I think much more likely is that that is a (pretty disgusting) piece of fake news.
plagiarize
Banned
Mike Cernovich is the son of two probably very embarrassed parents. At least I hope they're embarrassed by him.
Fuck him.
Whether he's real or not, someone wrote those words. Whether they think them just, funny, or get off on being provocative, that person needs to do some major soul searching.
excelsiorlef
Member
Oh good we citing Gamergaters now?
Damn, sorry for falling for it.
Why are we posting tweets from random people?
yeah, pls unfollow that alt-right piece of actual shit.
That's what i'm talking about regarding prevention.
Problem is this only works so much. I'd guess there are still people that will get radicalized.
When you have more than 400 people who returned from iraq and syria to fight for ISIS that doesn't seem enough.
Here in germany you need 8-15 intelligence officers to keep tabs on one suspect and the sheer amount we have is just too high.
AcademicSaucer
Member
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/23/salman-abedi-named-manchester-suicide-bomber-know/
"Born in Manchester in 1994, the second youngest of four children his parents were Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime."