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22 dead, 59 injured in Manchester Arena explosion (Being treated as an attack)
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Pankratous
Member
Don't know if it's been posted, but millionaire David Sullivan (West Ham football team I think) is paying for 6 months rent for a home, for one of the homeless men who helped after the attack.
Source is Daily Mail, which is banned.
Source is Daily Mail, which is banned.
plagiarize
Banned
Stay safe everyone. Definitely a network, the Chief Constable is saying. Go about your normal business, unless otherwise directed, but be vigilant.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40032504
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40032504
Not ALL, but I totes think we should blame the hundreds of thousands of radicals. I'm defining those terms the same way Sam Harris and others have. The ones doing the Manchester bombings and killing children, causing martial law in the Philippines, ISIS doing whatever they are up to today... beheadings? rape? burning people alive? killing children? all of the above?
Then you have those who just support the actions of the actual terrorists. Believe in sharia law and justify suicide bombers. The governments funding these people and oppressing minorities. The moderate ones in indonesia where they are still caning people for gay sex.
They can all fuck off as you say.
You go Morrissey.
ClosingADoor
Member
I am just saying I think we can detain people a bit sooner once they raise certain red flags, like traveling to those countries mentioned. Because every time after one of these attacks there are multiple signs - many the same - that the police and intelligence agencies have picked up on, but apparently can't act on. Guess I'm just less worried about the government abusing its powers in this area then you are.
...but who isn't saying fuck those people? That's not what Morrissey was talking about at all. Everyone wants to weed out the radicalised ones, and plenty of people are talking about that.
If that's what Morrissey was talking about, then why's he saying "we all say these things in secret".
JonathanEx
Member
But are we also clear on what we mean by "can't apparently act on"? Is it they're unable to find information on those and need more powers? Is it the laws limiting detaining? Is it resources to follow that many people? Even if say, they could detain someone sooner, do we have everything in place to figure out who those people should be and find out enough about their activities?
Picture has both.
CTSFO in grey and SAS(the two guys in front) in multicam
Miles Quaritch
Member
Tell me about the things you talk about in secret and are too afraid to say out loud.
oh wow I didn't even notice the other guy. they're good.
Where in what he wrote are you seeing that? People will not say this is a muslim problem, as in they do not associate this with the faith. Sort of like saying pedophile priests aren't a catholic problem.
They say it in secret because you can literally get into legal trouble in the UK for something deemed hate speech. Along the lines of what happened in Rotherham in the UK where people were afraid to say anything because of the ethnicity of the criminals systematically raping women and girls.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Yes, no-one dares to say this a Muslim problem. In the 15 plus years since 9/11, no-one has had the courage to say this is a Muslim problem and Muslims should do something about it.
Are you seriously that naïve? Fucking hell...
Lol at the SAS comments. They're so good people didn't even notice them in the pics.
This. If they're coming for you, you're dead.
ClosingADoor
Member
They both can't detain them because the courts would rule it as a lack of evidence and they don't have the manpower to watch everyone. One of these then needs to be fixed, with me saying we should probably lock them up sooner until it is clear they have no bad intent and have not supported terrorists. And if they have, they should be removed from the country or locked up for a very long time to prevent them harming others.
Now, some would then say I am advocating for locking up innocents. And maybe I am in a way, since of course they have not yet been convicted. But I don't see that much of a problem with detaining people until they are cleared. Your opinion maybe different about that.
Then again, I am always amazed at what people get away with in a lot of European countries, with those committing terrorist acts been in and out of prisons already, done crime, are known to police, but apparently can still walk around free.
There happens to be an argument going on. One side saying the obvious, the other knee jerk responding that the former are racist bigot islamophobes. This isn't much to keep up with but you need to put forth the effort.
The basic argument is laid out here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60
TTOOLL
Member
To be fair, people who dare to say it are called islamophobic and intolerant. Even though all these attacks are directly linked to Islamic terrorists that do so in the name of religion extremism.
Dare? Kinda have to live with it everyday.
fierrotlepou
Member
Can someone explain to me why there are only these kinds of raids when an attack has already happened? There has to be a good reason, because (not just talking about the attack in Manchester):
1. The perpetrators were known to the authorities (mostly because of a violent incident)
2. They were known to be radicalised, which is one hell of a red flag. They're basically a ticking time bomb.
3. They know where to find most of them
Is it only because of the high alert level that they're allowed to do raids?
1. The perpetrators were known to the authorities (mostly because of a violent incident)
2. They were known to be radicalised, which is one hell of a red flag. They're basically a ticking time bomb.
3. They know where to find most of them
Is it only because of the high alert level that they're allowed to do raids?
SolidSnakex
Member
I'm pretty sure that these raids are taking place all the time, it's just that they don't receive the same level of publicity as they do after a terrorist attack. They're things that law enforcement want to keep secretive for obvious reasons (like public panic).
MmmSkyscraper
Unconfirmed Member
Raids have been happening on a fairly regular basis, increasingly so over the last few years.
autumnleaf
Member
There are terror related arrests all the time actually. The authorities are constantly dealing with leads and suspects and make arrests, we just mainly hear about the ones that they don't prevent.
Jesus I hate that man so much.
One there are literally too many to keep track of in Europe right now. Two is you can't do anything until they break the law. Three is you have that trade off between privacy and security to contend with which is always important to protect.
So now that there has been a very recent incident yes the politicians need to be seen doing something about it.
I'm sure it's an insanely hard job to police all this. They need to do a better job deporting people and screening who comes in, and making sure people are assimilating. But even that has to be a logistical nightmare.
He's a professional troll. Don't give him the clicks. We read what he says, then journalists feed off that data and the cycle jerk continues. Essentially, he's mastered the art of clickbait.
Hate to break it to you, mate, but Morrissey has always been a massive cunt and has a long history of being a racist.
GoldenCrow
Member
Like others have said raids happen all the time. Often they aren't publicised and kept out of the media for various reasons. These raids are now based on intelligence where they can link suspects to the person who committed the terrorist act.
AcademicSaucer
Member
From all the info that has been coming out it doesn't seem that the investigators think the suicide bomber was the one that made the bomb
tearsintherain
Member
The suspected bomber was in Libya for 3 weeks and returned to the UK only days before the attack.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/24/europe/manchester-terror-attack-uk/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/24/europe/manchester-terror-attack-uk/index.html
Audioboxer
Member
Bunch of news sites on Twitter is posting a picture of a pretty gruesome inside look of the place.
ugh
Which ones i wanna block them
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40012738 an ongoing upto date link with who the victims were. Extremely sad to read and find out so many families destroyed. Mums and dads with their children gone and children with no mums and dads.
Do you perceive Muslims don't want the same? Given they're on the recieving end of most of that. Given they've had to flee in the millions to escape that, Morrissey isn't including them as victims, on the contrary, he holds them responsible without saying it out right. So fuck him and his tribal mentality
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Right? These terrorist organizations more often than not hurt other Muslims and their own countrymen far more frequently than they attack the West. Like honestly the type of bombing that hit Manchester seems to happen in Middle Eastern countries a lot more frequently if you can imagine that (Beirut, Istanbul, etc.), which is even more horrible. Yet I don't see enough folks aware of that.
At the same time I do agree that the governments of a lot of these countries need to do more on cracking down on these terrorist groups. I know in Pakistan's case they basically are incapable of doing anything and thus there are large swaths of land that are "ungovernable" and have warlords, terrorists, etc. A lot of it comes down to unemployed / poor young people who for some reason have no moral compass and decide to take out their anger on poor innocents. Instead of Saudi Arabia and other countries wasting their time on restricting people's rights in the name of religion, they should be going after the horrible people who commit atrocities and solve something real. Like as much as the US hates Iran, at least they go and fight ISIS and other terrorist groups directly. Saudi especially has the money to do it, but instead they fight proxy wars with other countries.
Excellent example thank you. That could be the follow up to the DaVinci Code, the Morrissey Code. He says it without saying it outright.
But to answer your question, I'm sure that there are a huge amount of muslims who are scared to death to say anything too. Their faith has been very clear about what happens if you say the wrong thing. Sort of like a really hardcore version of what you're doing.
... so this is just happening right now at the end of my street in Wigan, a town which is 20 miles out from Manchester ...
http://www.wigantoday.net/news/updated-town-centre-road-closed-as-armed-police-swoop-1-8560516
https://www.facebook.com/shann.new/posts/1084694411664438
http://www.wigantoday.net/news/updated-town-centre-road-closed-as-armed-police-swoop-1-8560516
https://www.facebook.com/shann.new/posts/1084694411664438
Gemma - Owner of the Hairdressing Salon said:
I think with the threat level as high as it is, the security forces are bound to jump on more things than usual.
The tsarnaev brothers family proclaimed their innocence until dzhokar admitted it in court
This is a full team of 7 plain clothed, armed Police in unmarked cars with a further 4 police vans and 10 regular police officers. This is not a regular arrest, it has to be someone they are aware of. There is no way a town like mine has these kind of resources to just take someone down as a precaution from someone dialling it in. A certain level of intel has to be involved.
No way!
Thornton Reed
Member
I'm from St. Helens I'll join you, even though you lot are bunch of pie eaters