300: RIse of an Empire reviews

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The movie has the issue of the "kick ass female" with toothpick thin arms (like Anne Hathaway in Dark Knight Rises). Not sure why that of all things takes me out of the movie, but she is cutting through bone with blades. That takes a lot of force and I'm comparing those arms with the sea of males flaunting their physique.

Not saying they need to be built like dudes but at least hide them if it's nothing but skin and bones.
 
Minion101 said:
The movie has the issue of the "kick ass female" with toothpick thin arms (like Anne Hathaway in Dark Knight Rises). Not sure why that of all things takes me out of the movie, but she is cutting through bone with blades. That takes a lot of force and I'm comparing those arms with the sea of males flaunting their physique.

Not saying they need to be built like dudes but at least hide them if it's nothing but skin and bones.
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What issue I had was although she was cutting through arms like butter,
a damn leather bracelet can apparently stop it?


Anyway, I saw it and liked it enough. 300 is really one of those guilty pleasures I had in high school. Saw it with the same friends I did back then too.

But...it's kind of funny that they had the same retreads from the first 300.

They had the father and son, the same kind of speech before the battle, and a few other things as well.

Also, did anyone else think that the Greeks were in fault for most of their downfall? In this one and the first one

The main character shot the king which led to Xerxes rising up and also the greeks raped and tortured Eva Green so she turned against the Greeks

All in all i thought it was pretty decent but vastly prefer the first 300. Water battles just aren't as cool, I think.

One more nitpick:
The farm boys from Athens weren't as jacked as the original 300. When Sparta showed up in the boats...man those dudes would make me want to get fit.
 
Just finished the movie... not sure if best boner or weirdest boner, either way I enjoyed the movie alot.

As for Artemesia
I wonder why they killed her off?
 
Firemind said:
Speaking of transitions, what I don't get is that you see the aftermath of Leonidas' defeat and not long after
Athene is sieged and destroyed? Okay. It's like the Hot Gates were all that stood between the Persian army and Athene, which is of course ridiculous. Never mind the implication that 300 Spartans defended the city of their rival Athenians, while the Athenian army was stationed at the coast with a small number of soldiers (more like farmers) and boats. Where the fuck is the rest of the army? Not defending Athene that's for sure. Fuck this overdramatization. Shit doesn't make sense strategically, man.
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I'm not saying the movie was historically accurate, but that part is accurate. The Spartans had the dominating army, and the Athenians had the dominating navy. Once the Spartans lost at Thermopylae, the Athenians knew they were fucked, and evacuated the city and fled with their navy to Salamis. They basically knew they had to avoid confronting the massive Persian army where they were weak, and confront them where they were strongest (their navy). Real ballsy move on their part.
The historically inaccurate part was them only having a handful of ships left at the last battle and luckily having allied fleets show up just in time LOTR style

Athens eventually set up a bunch of "friendly" meatshield city-states and built a huge fuck-off wall around their city to keep from getting steamrolled by land by the Spartan coalition during the Peloponnesian War, which is why the war lasted so long in a stalemate.
 
FUBAR McDangles said:
Re-watching 300 before I went to this I realized just how many lines I had memorized. There are so many good ones.

Rise didn't really have that, I agree. But I still really enjoyed the movie.
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It definitely had a significant tone change with them focusing on the Athenians rather than the Spartans. In the original everyone was a superhero, in this one it's just the main guy. Like in the original everyone could just plow through the Immortals but in this one everyone but him was getting jobbed by them. Plus he's far less crazy than Gerard was in the original. There were still plenty of fun scenes though to be sure, but it also felt like a much smaller movie.
 
I liked the movie...
Thats one supper massive cliff hanger cut out at the end. Trilogy it its.

It would be interesting seeing Alexander the Great in Frank Miller style.

I didnt have problems with it not being historically accurate. Its that type of movie. However I did have a problem with Troy (that was that type of movie that should had been somewhat accurate to history and the events Homer's Illiad) however they decided to throw through the window because Achilles was Brad pit, and god forbid Brad Pit dies in the middle of the movie.
 
Rm88~ said:
I'm not sure if I'm a prude or that scene was really not needed. Or at least not in that form.
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I saw it in Bangkok and it was obviously edited. What did I miss? 8O

I enjoyed the movie. I think it is funny, though, since didn't the Spartans end up working with the Persians at some point during/after the Peloponnesian War?
Ah, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sparta#Intervention_of_the_Persians

Lots of ridiculousness, but I don't hold it against it. I loved the way it tied into the first one, showing what was happening elsewhere. Though it was confusing for my date, who hadn't seen the first one.
 
Sub_Level said:
I thought that she was
hyped more as a commander than a warrior. That's why she makes it a point to say "I will not be a witness to this battle." in that one scene.
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Well, she was hyped that way, but they also had the scene where the emissary is fighting with her, blade to blade and she beat him. Then her with the heads of all those kings she (we assume) beheaded.

So she definitely was characterized as a strong fighter. But not as much as Themistocles.
 
Skiptastic said:
Well, she was hyped that way, but they also had the scene where the emissary is fighting with her, blade to blade and she beat him. Then her with the heads of all those kings she (we assume) beheaded.

So she definitely was characterized as a strong fighter. But not as much as Themistocles.
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I thought I remember a voiceover saying she was really deadly with a blade
 
This movie sucked noodles. Worth a watch for the costume design, set pieces and action, but that's about it.

Am I the only one who noticed that Artemesia's body disappeared when the Queen of Sparta shows up? Themistocles kills Artemesia (I had to look up Themistocles name because he was bland as shit and I didn't give two fucks about the Greeks in this one) and her body disappears from the final shot when the Queen is leading the charge past Themistocles with her Spartans. They run right over where her body would be, but nothing's there. How did they miss that in editing?

I have nitpicked this movie all weekend. I won't do so as much here. I loved the first one. I'm especially critical because the first one was so good and this one deserved so much better.

Lena Headey acted her ass off in this movie, oblivious of how bad it was. Eva Green did the best she could with what she had to work with. That script was awful. The dialogue should have been cut in half. Those two and Xerxes were the only interesting characters in the whole film.
Even when he was giving a monologue to no one after his troops are marching past Leonidas. Seriously, who was he talking to? Why is Xerxes all of a sudden the narrator when the Queen of Sparta was narrating nearly every other part of this movie?
If there's a third movie I hope they retcon reality and let Persia win the war.

If I had to score this film out of five, it's two stars.
 
ZackieChan said:
I saw it in Bangkok and it was obviously edited. What did I miss? 8O

I enjoyed the movie. I think it is funny, though, since didn't the Spartans end up working with the Persians at some point during/after the Peloponnesian War?
Ah, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Sparta#Intervention_of_the_Persians

Lots of ridiculousness, but I don't hold it against it. I loved the way it tied into the first one, showing what was happening elsewhere. Though it was confusing for my date, who hadn't seen the first one.
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Themistocles actually ended up serving under Xerxes successor for Persia later in life too. Not in war against and Greeks though, mind.

And no. THAT scene was amazing. Best 'What the hell is this?' sex scene since Shoot Em Up.
 
MjFrancis said:
Am I the only one who noticed that Artemesia's body disappeared when the Queen of Sparta shows up? Themistocles kills Artemesia (I had to look up Themistocles name because he was bland as shit and I didn't give two fucks about the Greeks in this one) and her body disappears from the final shot when the Queen is leading the charge past Themistocles with her Spartans. They run right over where her body would be, but nothing's there. How did they miss that in editing?
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They didn't miss that. Her body was moved far off to the viewer's left hand side on the floor next to the edge of the ship. Gorgo steps off her Spartan ship only a foot or two away from Artemesia's body, and then One-Eye practically steps on it when he walks on.
 
I did not like the original 300, ridiculous overstylization and gore is not my thing, so I'll probably hate this too, right?
Does it have severed heads coming at you in 3D this time?
 
FUBAR McDangles said:
They didn't miss that. Her body was moved far off to the viewer's left hand side on the floor next to the edge of the ship. Gorgo steps off her Spartan ship only a foot or two away from Artemesia's body, and then One-Eye practically steps on it when he walks on.
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At least they remembered to keep her in the scene. It was weird because she was right next to Themistocles the whole time and he barely moved after her death. Then she just wasn't there.
 
coldfoot said:
I did not like the original 300, ridiculous overstylization and gore is not my thing, so I'll probably hate this too, right?
Does it have severed heads coming at you in 3D this time?
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Yes, blood splatter, severed heads, and severed arms.

The 3D was really jarring here. I usually like 3D, but it was so out of place for this.

The movie wasn't good.

And 300 should not be a series and I hope that the ending to this one was not hinting at another one.
 
MjFrancis said:
This movie sucked noodles. Worth a watch for the costume design, set pieces and action, but that's about it.

Am I the only one who noticed that Artemesia's body disappeared when the Queen of Sparta shows up? Themistocles kills Artemesia (I had to look up Themistocles name because he was bland as shit and I didn't give two fucks about the Greeks in this one) and her body disappears from the final shot when the Queen is leading the charge past Themistocles with her Spartans. They run right over where her body would be, but nothing's there. How did they miss that in editing?

I have nitpicked this movie all weekend. I won't do so as much here. I loved the first one. I'm especially critical because the first one was so good and this one deserved so much better.

Lena Headey acted her ass off in this movie, oblivious of how bad it was. Eva Green did the best she could with what she had to work with. That script was awful. The dialogue should have been cut in half. Those two and Xerxes were the only interesting characters in the whole film.
Even when he was giving a monologue to no one after his troops are marching past Leonidas. Seriously, who was he talking to? Why is Xerxes all of a sudden the narrator when the Queen of Sparta was narrating nearly every other part of this movie?
If there's a third movie I hope they retcon reality and let Persia win the war.

If I had to score this film out of five, it's two stars.
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I agree with most of this (even rated the same on RT/Flixster!). I thought Eva Green was good but everyone else was pretty weak. I didn't like the guy playing Themistocles at all.
 
I watched this in a double-feature with the first movie and was abolutely dissapointed.

Plot was really thin. Writers milked everything they could from this battle, but ultimately it wasn't really memorable or that important. Themistocles did some boring freedom speeches every half hour, supporting actors had basically the same sub plot as in the first movie (300 had a kid that died in his dad's arms, Rise of the Empire had a dad dying in his sons arms) and were bland overall.
Eva Green was the one exception, and she was really great with her scenery chewing performance.

Cinematography sucked. While first movie translated comic book panels pretty much directly on the screen, this failed to mimic that style. First one had striking, sometimes really basic and even one-colored backgrounds, hard black colors with only few features popping out of them. This is one of the best scenes from that movie, and there are only main figures in the frame, our hero and his enemies.
Sequel didn't understand of that style, or they didn't have time to figure it out, and most of the movie looks like a normal movie with a funky color correction on it, without any artistry that made the first one so damn good looking. Few attacks were massive, ships cracked with many splinters, water splashed, many people fought and all of it was devoid of that masterful simplicity of the comic book and the first movie.

Overall 2 (3 if you really love Eva Green)/5
 
ZackieChan said:
I saw it in Bangkok and it was obviously edited. What did I miss? 8O
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When Themistocles for some reason accepts visiting Atermisia, on her ship, there's a rather awkward scene of somewhat explicit angry sex. Later, when they fight each other, she tells him "he fights harder than he fornicates" (this is in Spanish, not sure if other words were used originally, lol) - Did they remove that line in Bangkok?

Overall I'd say you got the better version of the movie :P
 
Mairu said:
I agree with most of this (even rated the same on RT/Flixster!). I thought Eva Green was good but everyone else was pretty weak. I didn't like the guy playing Themistocles at all.
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Rakhir mentions his boring freedom speeches - they really do bring the film down. Nevermind any irony behind them, but they were missing the zeal and charisma of Leonidas's speeches in the first movie. If King Leonidas's character was as deep as a puddle, Themistocles was downing in a teaspoon of water.

Rakhir said:
Overall 2 (3 if you really love Eva Green)/5
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Even considering what Eva Green brought to the table I'd hesitate to give this movie any rating that would imply anything better than mediocrity.
 
Yeah, I agree with most of you guys. The story and characters weren't very memorable (except for Artemisia). This was also my first 3D movie (!) The effects were kind of cool I guess but nothing really blew me away. Kinda upset I spent four more dollars for that 3Dness.

Speaking of blowing me away, however, that sex scene. Wow, that was something. hahaha
 
I fucking loved this. It's remarkably shallow, sure, but it looks and sounds cool as fuck, and sometimes that's enough, right? A worthy successor to the original, I think — something I was not expecting when it was initially announced.

"You've come a long way just to stroke your cock whilst watching real men train."
 
Just got done seeing this and enjoyed it very much. It felt like there was more story than visuals this time around which I enjoyed. And Eva Green...... Mmm. At the end of the movie
when she said "You fight harder than you fuck."
I was like daaaaaamn she bad.

The leading male actor did a good job, though I felt like his character was rushed/wasn't introduced as well as he could have been. And speaking of rushed
our boy Themistocles was evidently not holding it down in the sack lol
 
I went and saw it again last night. Perhaps even more awesome a second time.

Noticed something interesting, might be coincidental. In the first film, the emissary demands of Leonidas a token offering of earth and water. The first film is devoted to land-based combat and the second water-based.

Also, in the first, the emissary offers Leonidas a bundle of crowned skulls. In the second, we see
those heads, but with the flesh still on them.

For those wondering about
the climactic horse ride
, Themistocles does have a line of dialogue just prior to that scene that sets up the surprise. Its appearance was not accidental; it was strategic.
 
Count Dookkake said:
I went and saw it again last night. Perhaps even more awesome a second time.

Noticed something interesting, might be coincidental. In the first film, the emissary demands of Leonidas a token offering of earth and water. The first film is devoted to land-based combat and the second water-based.

Also, in the first, the emissary offers Leonidas a bundle of crowned skulls. In the second, we see
those heads, but with the flesh still on them.

For those wondering about
the climactic horse ride
, Themistocles does have a line of dialogue just prior to that scene that sets up the surprise. Its appearance was not accidental; it was strategic.
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Yeah, I figured out it was part of the plan

He used the remainder of his fleet to build a bridge/pathway to Eva Greene and then used the horse to cross.

That's some baller Odysseus style shit.
 
cardinalmind said:
I saw this movie yesterday. Saw no Eva Green tits. I think it was censored here, You lied to me GAF. That's what I came for.
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I am so sorry.

Count Dookkake said:
Kick him down a well.
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I counted no less than two Sparta kicks in this one. One of them a 9 year old girl.

I love this movie.
 
Should have just made it about artemisia entirely tbh. Btw I'm not an eva green stan I just found this picture funny for an avatar

But still I find myself falling in love with her crazy eyes look as well as her uh other assets. Also Snyder you fucking idiot, you chose poorly for Diana. The proper choice was right in the movie you produced
 
Movie was on par with original
Story was better in this one
Dialogue was better in original
Visuals were better in this one
Cinematography was better in original
Emotional payoff is better in original
Middle was better in this one
 
This film would have been a 2/5 but that glorious sex scene raised it to 3/5 I really enjoyed the 3D in this one too as well as the sound stage.
 
Discotheque said:
Should have just made it about artemisia entirely tbh. Btw I'm not an eva green stan I just found this picture funny for an avatar
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Agreed. Funny though, considering it's supposedly based off of "Xerxes".
Charles Foster Kane said:
So would you say it's better than the trailers? Because I thought the trailers sucked.
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GENERALS GATHERED IN THEIR MASSESSSSSS

Yes. But then again, I liked the second and third trailer WB put out.
 
Charles Foster Kane said:
So would you say it's better than the trailers? Because I thought the trailers sucked.
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It's no better (or worse) than 300. And the trailers absolutely deliver what you're gonna get

If you liked neither don't watch this. Although you will fall for eva green (unless you're gay then you will still have admiration)
 
Saw it the other night with the gf and she was cheering for Artemesia most of the movie. Fun flick, but definitely smaller feeling than 300.
 
cardinalmind said:
I saw this movie yesterday. Saw no Eva Green tits. I think it was censored here, You lied to me GAF. That's what I came for.
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Where are you located? Here in Bangkok, yes, the scene was there, but there was a cut
soon after they started kissing and then suddenly they were naked and covered up after they were finished
. Bullshit.
 
ZackieChan said:
Where are you located? Here in Bangkok, yes, the scene was there, but there was a cut
soon after they started kissing and then suddenly they were naked and covered up after they were finished
. Bullshit.
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Yeah when I saw it, it seemed like the build up was just as long as the actual scene. Wasn't all that impressive to me tbh.

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Discotheque said:
Should have just made it about artemisia entirely tbh. Btw I'm not an eva green stan I just found this picture funny for an avatar

But still I find myself falling in love with her crazy eyes look as well as her uh other assets. Also Snyder you fucking idiot, you chose poorly for Diana. The proper choice was right in the movie you produced
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I'm with you. I was so desperately in love with her.

The crazy eyes drive me loco.
 
I saw it last night, it was ok. This movie really reminds me of the Hobbit trilogy, aka - being constantly reminded how better the previous movie is and not being able to move out of it's shadow. I wish the film would stop mentioning 'Leonidas and the 300 spartans' and just move on with it's own plot. It only became interesting to me when it moved to the post-300 section.

I really enjoyed the first 300 but this felt just a bit lifeless, 300 had style - this had weird floating bit in the air just for the 3D effect. The boats were cool, but again with all the effects it sometimes looks like a CGI trailer for a game or something. Also they made Xerxes a bitch in this, way to build him up at the start and then just forget about him.

I may be negative but I did enjoy it, just not as much as the original 300.
 
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