I just want a classic zoom. Please, I can handle the garbage abilities just give me a better zoom.my biggest complaint , why you gotta block the screen ??
343 Industries' Josh Holmes explains design decisions in Halo 5
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my biggest complaint , why you gotta block the screen ??
This shit right here. What's wrong with the old scope? it's infinitely better, but gotta chase that COD crowd.
My biggest concern with H5 is that I feel like the franchise is losing its identity in the shooter market. Every feature that was brought up in the vidoc was an idea already executed in the new Call of Duty. I was honestly stunned by how similar, from a feature stand point, the two mp games were. Am I the only one? I guess I expected a little bit of innovation for the genre from a title as big as Halo since it has the brand recognition to experiment and think big. Where were the big ideas for mp in that vidoc? I didn't see them. =(
I wish Halo would take a leap in a different direction, in general. It's a brand where people expect big things, not a "me too" approach. I think that's why people get upset with the inclusion of sprint, for example. It's a feature that's a reaction to the market. "Sprint" may be something people expect nowadays, but people play COD due to how its user-investment systems are designed, I believe. Thinking big picture, THAT was COD's biggest contribution to the genre, not sprint. Sprint had been around before CoD4. =)
Anyway, as obtuse as equipment was in Halo 3, I feel like it was the last time the series did anything unique from a design standpoint.
I guess the fan base just needs to accept that Halo isn't a genre leading series anymore, but just a brand to sell Xboxes. I know that's harsh, but considering the care and attention the MCC's launch received, the series' priorities is on selling Xboxes instead of planting a flag on quality.
I wish Halo would take a leap in a different direction, in general. It's a brand where people expect big things, not a "me too" approach. I think that's why people get upset with the inclusion of sprint, for example. It's a feature that's a reaction to the market. "Sprint" may be something people expect nowadays, but people play COD due to how its user-investment systems are designed, I believe. Thinking big picture, THAT was COD's biggest contribution to the genre, not sprint. Sprint had been around before CoD4. =)
Anyway, as obtuse as equipment was in Halo 3, I feel like it was the last time the series did anything unique from a design standpoint.
I guess the fan base just needs to accept that Halo isn't a genre leading series anymore, but just a brand to sell Xboxes. I know that's harsh, but considering the care and attention the MCC's launch received, the series' priorities is on selling Xboxes instead of planting a flag on quality.
Yeh I really don't unserdtand what they were thinking with the whole scope redesign. I mean it doesn't bother me that much as long as it doesn't function like ADS but seriously couldn't they think of better things to work on in these past couple of years. Ah well I'm just over the moon scavenging grenades is back and the grenade reticle is gone. Those were the only two things which really made me feel halo 4 was taking a page out of COD. I'm perfectly fine with sprint to be honest.
my biggest complaint , why you gotta block the screen ??
Have to make sure the CoD crowd feels comfortable.
Twilight Gap
Member
my biggest complaint , why you gotta block the screen ??
immersion
realism
easier for the "greater halo community"
whatever spin they can put on it while contradicting existing lore.
Same kind of thing happened to Street Fighter II in the 90's when those hacked cabinets started popping up. Players got addicted to the faster speed and didn't care about what it meant for the gameplay. Capcom was forced to give players their speed fix with an official update or lose money to the knockoffs. It's the same thing with Halo now. There's no going back, gameplay be damned.
Oh well.
Oh well.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Have to say, that's a very weak attempt to try and spin some of those things as a positive.
Ah well, beta should be coming up soon, so we'll see for ourselves what the positive/negative impact of some of these designs decisions is.
Ah well, beta should be coming up soon, so we'll see for ourselves what the positive/negative impact of some of these designs decisions is.
killer rin
Member
Ugh, terrible. I'm sure if you asked a spartan what they would prefer to have, they would pick the one with the most visibility... which is also coincidentally the one they are most used to. I'm also guessing they would get a little peeved off if you told them tough luck.my biggest complaint , why you gotta block the screen ??
I will say this when i played Halo 3 on my 360 in multiplayer it feels different yes i didn't play Halo 1 or 2 but i did play a lot of MP with 3 back then and i have to say i liked it it felt unique and awesome. Now seeing this and how it turned out for MCC. I mean destroying what fans love is not the way to go plain and simple. 343 is making bad decisions and just want to grab that CoD cash that turned out great for other shooters right who also tried it?
I like this post just to show what needs to be done. If it ain't broken don't fix it.
I like this post just to show what needs to be done. If it ain't broken don't fix it.
BuggeryBugz
Member
So does everyone complaining just want a H2A style H5? I dont get all the hate without even trying the game first.
We've already tried two Halo games with sprint. We know we don't like how it plays. We don't need to play the game to know we don't want an aiming reticle that blocks a third of the screen.
soulassssns
Banned
Sounds good to me but I will wait for the game to make my final opinion.
BuggeryBugz
Member
I'm sure there are just as many people who are playing MCC and wanting sprint because it feels too slow now. Just because a vocal minority are saying they don't want it, doesn't necessarily ring true for everyone.
The aiming reticle and so called ADS is a silly argument because you aren't even looking at the rest of the screen when you are zoomed in. You are looking at what you have zoomed in on.
King Beyond the wall
Member
You guys just need to accept that Halo has moved beyond its roots and is no longer aimed at pleasing the traditional fans. Its a game designed to cater to the millions of cod players, and barely a single design concept exists anymore. Once you accept this, like I have, Halo 5 won't be as painful.
soulassssns
Banned
In all the footage I have seen the "built in zoom" was still there but you can use the ADS if you like them.
ok you win
FUNKNOWN iXi
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Always-honest
Banned
The game didn't have sprint? Wow, that must have been tedious.. I can't remember.
Can't see why people would hate on that. Or is it that people will start run and gunning in mp? Cause that i can understand. It will be like CoD. Maybe Halo fans don't want that?
Can't see why people would hate on that. Or is it that people will start run and gunning in mp? Cause that i can understand. It will be like CoD. Maybe Halo fans don't want that?
Josh Holmes said:
This right there is one of the biggest problems 343i is facing with Halo 5, on one hand they need to freshen up things on the campaign by expanding Master Chief's moveset but they can't magically take away certain abilities from the MP. The expanded moveset can be a great thing for the campaign with the right level/enemy design (curious to see how they will tweak Prometheans to actually be fun to fight for example) and result in some really cool combat scenarios but MP is a much harder thing to refine and balance.
I guess we'll have to wait and see how the beta turns out and how 343i reacts to player feedback, it's too early to tell how the game will turn out IMO.
soulassssns
Banned
Agreed
It's almost like the CoD crowd already has a game to meet their wants.
My God.
Outside of Halo 3, I've never played Halo MP as much as other franchises, but minor grievances can become migraines when it comes to games that you play on a regular basis over the course of months. Modern Warfare 2 and Killzone 3 were the worst cases for me. You end up playing these games way, way less than you thought you would if they annoy you each time.
Yeah, and Battlefield Hardline is coming out eight months earlier than Halo 5! /zing
Leyasu
Banned
I honestly like everything that I have seen so far except for the Spartan chatter.
What worries me the most after the MCC is that they will just throw it out the door p2p, and no fucks will given. Or, IF they do manage to get this on dedicated servers, it will be on servers of the games choosing.
No choose a datacenter like titanfall, no customs on dedicated servers. Just the barebones, and the middle finger yet again to everyone that doesn't reside in NA. Halo should be the benchmark, yet titanfalls on-line set up shits on it from a great height.
Every fucking halo matchmade game is hosted in the US, and they wonder why the game dies rapidly around the world. And why Xbox is seen as a US console.
What worries me the most after the MCC is that they will just throw it out the door p2p, and no fucks will given. Or, IF they do manage to get this on dedicated servers, it will be on servers of the games choosing.
No choose a datacenter like titanfall, no customs on dedicated servers. Just the barebones, and the middle finger yet again to everyone that doesn't reside in NA. Halo should be the benchmark, yet titanfalls on-line set up shits on it from a great height.
Every fucking halo matchmade game is hosted in the US, and they wonder why the game dies rapidly around the world. And why Xbox is seen as a US console.
BuggeryBugz
Member
Wasn't a competition but, thanks?
Seriously? Try and form a coherent sentence next time you reply. Not just lol.
You can't really run and gun in halo, even with sprint.
Blue Ninja
Member
They can throw around reasons and buzz-words all they want, after Halo 4 and now beta-testing the MCC for four weeks after release my confidence in them is at an all-time low. At least they're letting us play Halo 5 almost a year in advance.
RandyBobandy
Banned
It seems that even after the shitshow that was Halo 4 they still don't get it
COD players will play... COD
Halo players will just stop playing again like with 4
COD players will play... COD
Halo players will just stop playing again like with 4
Have to agree, they can bring the best game out there with the best gameplay but if online connections suck at launch the community will go away after a couple weeks.
Even If Halo MCC was totally fixed now most people I know don't care, it's too late, momentum was lost.
343 or the Halo series? I don't think Reach was at all, but tried to become a class-based where you were choosing from stealth, air, mobility, etc. You always started with the same weapons (minus Invasion), always had the same recharge for your AA's, and never had that secret pocket. It was just another layer of what Halo 3 had brought to the table with equipment. However, Halo 4 changed an awful lot and added those upgrades/specializations, like having an extra grenade, infinite sprint, increased radar, less resistant against EMP's, stability for your rifle, and so forth. That was just a complete mess and destroyed any balance whatsoever.
Reach often was competing with two heavily populated CoD games, and at times was the #2 game. The CoD series grew enormously from when MW dropped in 2007 to what it became just a few years later. It had maintained a very good population for well over two years.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
Wow......WOW.
343, increase normal movement speed and have smaller maps instead of putting in a sprint.
Also ADS is pointless and consumes a button slot.
Controls and gameplay mechanics should be kept simple in a competitive space. So that weapon control and map knowledge dictates winnng players.
To be fair CS:GO now has 2 ADS weapons. And they do provide you with an advantage on long range over the other non ADS weapons.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
You want to make me feel like a spartan? Then how about letting me run 40kmph without having to holster my weapon. That's what a spartan can do.
Spartans should feel like deadly and efficient tanks, not like MLG-ninjas. (Yes, I've read all the books).
Spartans should feel like deadly and efficient tanks, not like MLG-ninjas. (Yes, I've read all the books).
Leyasu
Banned
Yep, as you probably guessed I'm from the EU, all my mates have given up now as well. They were excited by the prospect of dedicated servers, especially after how well titanfall does it. But after weeks of US hosted unfair lagfests, they've all ditched this.
Never to return.
One whiff of p2p on this beta, and halo 5 will not even be considered for purchase next year.
I don't think ADS works the same way as other games here, and that you are not wasting a button slot. You still have descoping when you get hit. And it will probably use the right click just like previous game's zoom.
BuggeryBugz
Member
Only thing I'm not a big fan of is the thruster movement and ground pound thing. They don't need to be there at all.
Fudgepuppy
Banned
Spartans are fucking hooked up to the gun via their visor, why would they ever aim down the sights?
I feel sad for 343, reading all these harsh reactions, but thinking back on how much fun I had with Halo 3 (and even Reach) I can't really blame the most die hard fans for feeling so outraged.
I made a thread about how Bungie and 343 seems to have different ideologies regarding Halo, and this statement just seems to confirm how they think differently. Bungie thought "Would ADS and sprint add anything to the gameplay? Nah", whereas 343 seems to think "Would ADS and Sprint feel cool? Yeah".
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.., for emphasis.
MCC is a microsoft/Phil Harrison/contracted-devs joint. 343i is making h5, judge them on that.
As to the changes, this is an AAA game, therefore all descions are based on feedback from playtesters. And play testers are representative of typical console game buyers. They are making the game that will appeal to them and that is all.
This isn't art, it is a product made to please the typical 2015 console gamer, just like COD, AssCreed, GTA, BF, etc. 2001-2006 era gameplay ain't happening.
DATABASE DATABASE
Member
It's not an enviable position to be in, that's for sure.
It looks cooler.
Very definition of no-win.