343 Industries' Josh Holmes explains design decisions in Halo 5
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ElRenoRaven
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This is exactly why I dislike Halo 4 and 5's multiplayer (5 based off videos). I played Halo to play Halo not to play COD. When I want to play COD I go and play that. They can be as dishonest as they want but it's clear what group they're going after and it's not the fans of halo and it's not going to end well for them if they keep down this path.
ProvenDeadly
Member
Here are a few things that are already make this game 10000000000000000000000000000000000% better than Halo 4
The guns seem a lot harder to shoot
Even though there are some of these abilities, everyone has them. No custom loadouts.
An incredible ranking system. Designed by the guy that made the SC2 one.
SPECTATOR MODE
Clear focus on competitive play
In game weapon timers.
The guns seem a lot harder to shoot
Even though there are some of these abilities, everyone has them. No custom loadouts.
An incredible ranking system. Designed by the guy that made the SC2 one.
SPECTATOR MODE
Clear focus on competitive play
In game weapon timers.
EchoChamber
Member
"we wanted to make call of duty on space "
Zeouterlimits
Member
Make the game ye want to make, ye're the ones slaving away on it.
I've said my piece on sprint many times, I don't enjoy it's mix into the existing triangle.
Ye can choose to do your own thing, but obviously I'd rather ye continue to not leave me behind.
I've said my piece on sprint many times, I don't enjoy it's mix into the existing triangle.
Ye can choose to do your own thing, but obviously I'd rather ye continue to not leave me behind.
Thursday War
Banned
lol so you've played the game then? how would you know if it negatively affects gameplay?
i would say to wait until december 29th to form an opinion as idiotic as yours.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Game sounds way better than 4, so that's a start. I need to actually play it to decide though.
An other classic Waypoint forum post. This is literally what people said before Halo 4 was out, while other people pointed out, what could go wrong. Turns out those people were right.
ProvenDeadly
Member
This is just as counter-productive as those going on about Halo copying CoD. :/
After playing MCC (as much as it lets me), I think ti's hard to argue that Halo 4 doesn't HANDLE the best (the gameplay is ruined not by the way it plays, but the changes they made to the formula with gun spawns etc.). Halo 2 and 3 are better games, but they feel slow and a tiny bit awkward compared. Halo 3 handles better than 2, IMO.
Destiny still handles better than all of them and I would love if they could let you change your controls to match that.
Destiny still handles better than all of them and I would love if they could let you change your controls to match that.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
Instead of automatically dismissing the opinions of those who disagree with you, please explain why you think these additions benefit gameplay.
I used to be optimistic about Halo's future too, back before Halo 4 came out. I posted a lot on Waypoint and even tried to justify 343's design choices, even though I knew deep down they weren't good. Then Halo 4 came out and it was a huge disappointment. I don't think 343 deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Altered Juice
Member
i knew they were copying cod, but sweet fucking jesus i didn't think they were making a direct clone!
ProvenDeadly
Member
Start with making the game like when it used to be super popular?
Go more in depth.
I feel like people would still complain that the game hasn't changed a lot and 343 is lazy developers. Sure as hell wouldn't be happy if H5 played very similar to H3.
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
I think stuff like Thrusters would be good changes, although it seems a bit too powerful as it is. It can be used in more than one direction and isn't a crutch unlike Sprint. It doesn't require any changes to how the maps are designed. It complements the existing gameplay instead of destroying it like Sprint.
Other good changes that aren't related to the mechanics are spectator mode and the new Forge palette. The gameplay doesn't have to be completely changed for it to feel new and fresh.
kingwingin
Member
Should fire josh Holmes and hire mike holmes, make it right
Welfare
Member
They don't. They have done nothing to even earn that.
StoppedInTracks
Member
Stopped reading right there. Fuck off with this shit 343.
Halo needs to go back to Bunige
I don't know how but it has to.
Welfare
Member
Have you seen Destiny? No thank you.Stopped reading right here. Fuck off with this shit 343.
Halo needs to go back to Bunige
Stopped reading right there. Fuck off with this shit 343.
Halo needs to go back to Bunige
Give over. Destiny is an absolute stinker, loads worse than Halo 4.
Stopped reading right there. Fuck off with this shit 343.
Halo needs to go back to Bunige
Bungie started all of this nonsense with Reach.
Bungie made Reach so no thank you.Stopped reading right there. Fuck off with this shit 343.
Halo needs to go back to Bunige
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
I would build the entire experience around a ranked, skill based experience where social is meant for casual and where to practice. I remember in the H3 days where people would offer to play with you to help you get better.
To be fair, 343 doesnt exactly have a lot of equity after 4 and MCC.
It's ADS, if they want people to buy in they need to stop acting like we are idiots.
How do you know? From the 3 small maps they showed? Based on history most maps will be larger for Sprint. Remember Complex?
Prophet Steve
Member
From what I hear, at least the shooting in Destiny is fun.
They fucked up most of the rest though.
You mean with the file share browser completely gone for months after launch, neutered forge, custom game, and theater options, with no communication for months as to what they were gonna do about any of it?
Yea, that's a pretty great release. It hurts when the people that are mods on your forums make 100 page threads about the lack of options in your game.
Bioshock has a giant arrow that points you in the right direction. It was pretty obviously designed for a mass audience.
KidA Seven
Member
Bungie doesn't even know what made Halo great. They kept making the base movement speed slower, had no idea where to place weapons/power ups, which is the better starting weapon, made melees more prominent, etc...
They then started adding in useless crap like Sprint, equipment, armor lock, etc...
They then started adding in useless crap like Sprint, equipment, armor lock, etc...
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Yep, easily. Was in the SWAT playlist and it was jarring going from 2A to 4. 4 just handles and plays sooooooooo much better than 1,2 and 3. I kinda always knew it did, but when you go straight from one of the earlier games to 4 like that it really hits home.
That was one thing 343 really did nail though. Much more so than Bungie. Even now, I keep reading how people are enjoying Destiny's gunplay and I think it's the worst thing about Destiny. The fact that the MCC is giving me the opportunity to see how superior Halo 4's handling is, Destiny's is now starting to make sense.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Exactly. It's childishness at its most bizarre. Highly augmented Spartan Super Soldiers can actually run... Oh god no, Halo is ruined!
Oh i thought his post was about MCC not working, not about features he thought should be in the game, since that is two completely differing arguments. Must have misunderstood.
Obviously 343i has the ability to see into the future and copy things that weren't even shown yet! You didn't know this?
When people say 343i just copied AW, do they realise AW's gameplay was first shown at E3 2014?
If it functions like halo zoom, then it's not ADS. ADS in a regular sense isn't just some visual thing.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
Based on this and every other Halo forum they expect people to lose their shit. The truth is, they aren't going for the Halo fan. They want a new fan base.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
Stop, it's ADS. It covers half my screen. It limits my entire view so I can no longer see whats going on around me.
edit: If you were right why not give an option for classic zoom instead of alienating and already irritated fan base after MCC?
Gnome Scat
Member
Gameplay > "Realism"
Then you don't use it? Not like they're giving any penalties for hip fire with all the no scoping i have been seeing with DRM, and BRs in the footage.
It's not even about "giving the benefit of the doubt" at this point. The beta is around the corner and people are making big sweeping judgements on something they have yet to even play. How about actually trying it out before shitting on it. Or does that make too much sense to today's "gamer".
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
No no no no. Haven't you been reading the thread? Spartan Super soldiers shouldn't be able to run because in real life, people can also swim, do backflips, lie down and a whole host of other stuff that doesn't relate to shooting in a war zone. So you know, that's why they shouldn't able to run.
Love drive-by posts like this from people who confirmed several times that they don't care about Halo MP and usually only stick to campaign/single player modes.
It's really not as simple as you make it seem to be. Nobody has anything against Sprint and all these abilities in campaign mode. This discussion is all about MP.
The BR has a x3 scope and the DMR has a x4 scope. How are people going to shoot in mid to long distances, if they simply "don't use it".
Dude, it's not ADS. ADS increases accuracy, lessens spread, gives you an advantage, it means hip firing is not viable. That's what ADS is. Just because this new form of zoom is visually different doesn't mean it's ADS.
As for giving you the option, who knows, maybe it will change. The game is almost a year away, things can change.
_/¯What is this? Did you ever zoom in Halo before? If it is the same as past Halo's only with a new look then you're going to be using it a lot.
"Don't use it." Lmao
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
And every other company dont? And doing charity work? Take your drive by shit post outa here.
spootime
Member
I just dont get these posts. Do you really think this is a valid reason to include game mechanics? Realism in a floaty space man game?
soulassssns
Banned
Why not have it?
I think it was said that Smart Scope does grant an accuracy bonus to weapons like the AR & SMG.
I don't mind it as much, but I wish they retained the same old zoomed-in appearance for weapons that actually have a scope; this seems more like a regression.