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40 FPS modes coming to Spider-man and Miles Morales on PS5
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Tygeezy
Member
Probably not, but you're reducing your input lag significantly and the framerate does go up.
DJ12
Member
Res increase is if there's no 120hz enabled. No res increase I 120hz mode just more frames.
kyliethicc
Member
The 80.8 vs 75ms. That’s very close end to end difference for the player. I guess I need to read up on how the end to end works.
deriks
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Did I touch a nerve? Or may I say, a web?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
One is a 120hz panel mode, the other a 60hz panel mode.
You are getting pretty much the same response times in 40hz on a 120hz panel with the added benefit of fidelity graphics over quality graphics.
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I still don't get why people are complaining about this as Insomniac have done this in a very simple way:
- Do you have a 120Hz screen?
-- NO, Then you have a choice of 30fps (Fidelity) or 60fps (Performance)
-- YES, Then you have a choice of 40fps (Fidelity) or 60fps (Performance)
- Do you have a VRR screen?
- NO, see above
- YES, Great you can play either modes at an unlocked frame rate
- Do you have a 120Hz screen?
-- NO, Then you have a choice of 30fps (Fidelity) or 60fps (Performance)
-- YES, Then you have a choice of 40fps (Fidelity) or 60fps (Performance)
- Do you have a VRR screen?
- NO, see above
- YES, Great you can play either modes at an unlocked frame rate
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Exactly. They should put out this simple FAQ.
Yes. I was purposely drawn to comparing 40fps on a 120hz vs 60fps on a 60hz. Most folks coming from consoles up till these would have this experience.
I’m not saying it is 60fps equivalent but largely for a single player game there is relatively no downside. Incredible really.
I did mentally note a 60fps game on a 120hz display has even better end to end. Could make 60fps racing games feel more crisp. Exciting!
So I’m familiar with the terms double buffer and triple buffer. I guess I hadn’t considered how buffering would be changed by this. I still don’t exactly get it. I guess I need to search YouTube for someone discussing how this works.
Arioco
Member
Because the 40 fps runs at 4K with all the bells and whistles whereas the 60 fps mode significantly drops the resolution and some graphical settings are paired back.
So it's really up to the user to decide if they prefer more fps or higher resolution with better settings. It's a good thing that we have the option.
yamaci17
Member
you either need 1/2 vsync @80 hz or 1/3 vsync @120 hz to get a proper look at it
40 fps on a 60 hz screen will look weird most of the times
it is a huge jump although numbers seem small.
amount of perceived smoothness from 30 to 40 is 8.3 ms (33.3 ms to 25 ms)
amount of perceived smoothness from 60 to 120 is also 8.3 ms (16.6 ms to 8.3 ms)
it is practically smiliar to going from 60 to 120. you would hear how 120 is transformative over 60 in most experiences, it is the same case for 30 to 40
this graph also shows diminishing returns after 200 fps.
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Tqaulity
Member
If I'm not mistaken, the C8 can't do 4K/120hz and when activating the 120hz mode the resolution drops to 1080p. So in essence you would lose a big portion of what makes fidelity mode beneficial (i.e native 4K resolution) despite gaining the 40hz capability. Are you seeing this behavior as well?
you're right, it does only support it at 1080p but the image looks real crisp..it must be the temporal injection they use i'm guessing because i can usually tell the difference easily from 1080p to 4k and i did switch the modes around just to see if i could spot the difference...hopefully it wasn't just a placebo but would be interesting if someone else with a similar setup can chime in
CamHostage
Member
1440p is the only wrinkle in this, because unfortunately Sony has not yet and may never allow for the 1440p format (which is an odd resolution but apparently is common,) and yet some 4K sets have to kick down to 1080p to get into 120Hz mode if 1440p is not a possibility.
Otherwise, yes, 40FPS mode is a straight-up good thing and there's not much to say but "Yay!!" or "More please!!"
GustavoLT
Member
what game!?
tested SpiderMan Remaster and didn´t notice on 40fps/120hz... it was locked! LGCX
Imtjnotu
Member
Ratchen and clank last year did it.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
IIRC they fixed it for the C9 right?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Yeah, but I don't have a PS5 to see it in person.
Guess I could try just setting my monitor refresh at 120hz and locking a game at 40fps on PC. Might do so as an experiment, wonder how it feels.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
How beastly are Insomniac though?
70-80-90+fps range on average with the unlocked framerate.
Tons of overhead.
Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine should be off the chain!
70-80-90+fps range on average with the unlocked framerate.
Tons of overhead.
Spider-Man 2 and Wolverine should be off the chain!
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[Sigma]
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Said last year, Insomniac is Sony's mvp and best dev when it comes to utilization of the hardware.
It's actually pretty cool, for scenarios where stable 60fps would mean way too many visual sacrifices but the game could maintain 40fps. Then why pass on those extra 10fps opposed to 30? Every frame more counts and does improve the visual experience, especially in those lower ranges; 100 to 110 wouldn't make much of a difference, but 30 to 40fps makes the image considerable more smoother.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yea but Spider-Man is over 2 years old so you don’t care yea??
Already beaten the game 100%, what I care about here is doing more of this. It means that Spiderman 2 will have it day one, which is great for anyone with a 120Hz TV.
SLB1904
Banned
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MasterCornholio
Member
Yea but Spider-Man is over 2 years old so you don’t care yea??
I think
Bo_Hazem
is right about them doing something similar with future titles. So what they did with Spider-Man or Ratchet is a pretty good indication with what they will do with Wolverine and Spider-Man 2. I’m definitely looking forward to both of those games.
MarkMe2525
Gold Member
This is really cool. Other devs should take note.
TheGrat1
Member
The rest are mortals who need sleep.
Gambit2483
Member
So 4k 40 is the new 1080p 60?
Yep, the C9 and bove have HDMI 2.1 so they get the full 4k at 120
FUBARx89
Member
Spiderman remastered. You got VRR turned on?
Arioco
Member
You have to enable 120 Hz to get that 40 fps mode, then enable VRR to remove the frame rate cap. That should take you well above 40 fps in native 4K with max settings, it's pretty much 50 most of the time. Very impressive.
01011001
Banned
the VRR mode in fidelity seems to be broken in some ways tho. for many it jumps up and down between 120hz and 48hz uncontrollably, which it also did for me when using the PS5's included HDMI cable.
now that I use the cable that came with the Series X it stabilised a bit and jumps up and down from 120hz to ~75hz/~80hz and back up again. better but still weird and juttery in motion
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Arioco
Member
Are you talking about the Remastered or Miles Morales? Miles Morales is the one I tried and I didn't see anything wrong with it, on my CX at least. Do you know if other people are experiencing the same issue?
Rea
Member
I think probably your TV has issue with the PS5. On my TV, fidelity mode is butter smooth. Mostly around 40-50 fps. I can't see a fps counter, but feels around there.
01011001
Banned
remastered, I didn't have Miles Morales installed currently due to soace restraints.
without a readout I can't take your opinion seriously sadly. I've come to accept that many people online really aren't sensitive to framerates stutters at all, so I can't really argue against people that "feel" it to he smooth.
Rea
Member
Lol, what i mean by smooth is that there's no judder, i still can see the 40fps stutter, when it drops, and it drops frequently. I know the difference when there is judder vs stutter.
alabtrosMyster
Banned
One more reason to think that naughty dog are garbage with their paid frame rate unlock DLC.
Sony should sell ND to EA they would be right at home.
Sony should sell ND to EA they would be right at home.
SLB1904
Banned
Wait isn't the last us 2 framerate unlock free?
01011001
Banned
still, arguing against subjective feelings is not really useful online when it comes to stuff like this.
I recorded a lil video real quick and cut it together just to demonstrate the issue.
(excuse the quality, I just cut this together with a free app I found on the Play Store because I wasn't in the mood to actually boot my PC and use proper video software
)notice how Spider-Man has pretty steady refresh readouts in performance RT mode, but in Quality mode the refresh rate jumps rapidly up and down even while moving the camera barely down on street level.
as a comparison of a similarly running game I used Elden Ring on Xbox in performance mode.
what I think is the issue is that low Framerate Compensation seems to be not outputting evenly paced frames in this game.
if the game runs at 50fps you would expect to see 100hz output, at 40fps you would expect 80hz etc.
but notice how it goes from 119hz down to 70hz and below at times, which would mean the console sends out a very uneven framerate and subjectively I immediately noticed this too before even looking at the refresh.
without VRR the 40fps mode looks way more pleasant in motion to me. again that is subjective but I think my video shows why I feel that way too.
Elden Ring, which on Xbox also can dip into the 40s, which is why I played it at 120hz to make use of LFC, never felt even remotely this jittery. I could feel parts when the framerate was really low, but it still always felt smoothed out, as in the refresh clearly wasn't jumping up and down rapidly at any time
I have seen others uploaded similar results on other TVs. I would be interested in more people sharing how it runs for them
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GustavoLT
Member
I have VRR set to automatic and apply to non supported games on! I get 40fps 120hz in fidelity mode, but my LGCX shows that it´s 40fps fixed since there´s no flatuation on hz display (8 times green button) its almost fixed at 118.8hz like any other fixed hz games!
Arioco
Member
I told you. You need to enable Instant Game Response on your TV, VRR doesn't work if it's off. Then the game will allow you to uncap the 40 fps cap in settings/graphics.
GustavoLT
Member
It's enable!!! I get VRR in Performance and Performance RT working up to 100hz!!! But in fidelity mode, its locked at 40fps!
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kyliethicc
Member
Run your PS5 under some warm water for a few minutes, then restart it. Should do it.