5 Things I Learned as the Internet's Most Hated Person
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TatteredHat
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Most hated person?
I'm not saying she received no harrassment at all, but I think that's a bit of an overstatement.
I'm not saying she received no harrassment at all, but I think that's a bit of an overstatement.
Remember when Cracked was a comedy website?
Remember when Cracked wasn't yet another Tumblr-esque pile of partisan garbage?
Remember when Cracked did actual research?
I'm not pro or anti-Zoe or pro or anti-GG, but fuck, even the informative italics part of that article is biased and under-researched to all hell. It goes in with the assumption that GG is one big scheme concocted to hate females when that's a super disingenuous (and frankly ignorant) way of looking at it.
Remember when Cracked wasn't yet another Tumblr-esque pile of partisan garbage?
Remember when Cracked did actual research?
I'm not pro or anti-Zoe or pro or anti-GG, but fuck, even the informative italics part of that article is biased and under-researched to all hell. It goes in with the assumption that GG is one big scheme concocted to hate females when that's a super disingenuous (and frankly ignorant) way of looking at it.
If you read articles like this, sure makes the situation seem bad.
I haven't been participating in this movement, but have been following the controversy on Twitter, 4Chan, Reddit, GAF, etc.
I can tell you that this article, along with others, is extremely cherry picked. The entire movement is about fixing corruption in journalism, not merely attacking Zoey and Feminists.
The comments and situations they choose to include is just General internet trash. Go to any forum, YouTube video comments, or Twitter on any topic and you will see this same garbage. People are leveraging this pillar of the internet as a attack against gamers like it is somehow relegated to this hobby alone.
Bjoern the Smexy
Member
OMG BURN HER!!
Seriously though, all this stuff about Zoe Quinn is one of the most hyperboled and inflated bullshit stories I have ever experienced on the internet.
It's a witch hunt without a witch, so someone is declared the witch so she has to burn at the stake.
We are not in medieval times anymore. But some communities and people on the internet seemingly want to bring those times back.
Seriously pathetic.
It's kind of a shame that people want to just stop talking about it now that someone's life has been ruined for no reason. I get that when there's something big on the Internet, everyone buzzes about it frantically and then it disappears -- like a social media worker posting inflammatory statements about AIDS in Africa, or American Airlines tweeting a picture of a model airplane in a woman's vagina.
But this wasn't those things. This was someone's world getting hijacked for absolutely no reason, and the message behind her work being stamped on by a massive group of people. If we just forget about it, what is she left with? The people responsible get exactly what they wanted.
But this wasn't those things. This was someone's world getting hijacked for absolutely no reason, and the message behind her work being stamped on by a massive group of people. If we just forget about it, what is she left with? The people responsible get exactly what they wanted.
Can this thread stop trying to make something like people getting harassed into a competition by pointing out something worse
No, you just want to ignore the politics that are already inherently there. And that's fine, I guess, but I don't think there's much point in commenting about how you totally aren't interested in any of this. You're free to ignore it, if you like!
Could you present this evidence, then?
I just find it funny people are claiming she is "playing the victim" in a thread where someone called her a cunt and others are trying to keep the conspiracy alive. Some people are in such denial about the harassment and mob mentality. It's like they don't want to believe their crusade against "SJWs' and "Game Journalist" is mired in toxicity. They want to continue to dehumanize "the enemy" and take their frustrations out on them.
Some folks would rather focus on how wrong Zoe/Anita/Phis/Notch/Journalists/Whoever are rather than focus on the sticking levels off harassment happening. Nothing these people tweet is worse than the tilde wave of shit that get thrown at them.
I won't believe anything unless it has squiggly MS Paint lines drawn around it.
Some folks would rather focus on how wrong Zoe/Anita/Phis/Notch/Journalists/Whoever are rather than focus on the sticking levels off harassment happening. Nothing these people tweet is worse than the tilde wave of shit that get thrown at them.
I won't believe anything unless it has squiggly MS Paint lines drawn around it.
What the blue hell? The cracked article barely takes about GG at all. It's about her personal conversations getting leaked, then her and her loved ones getting harassed on the phone and online to the point that Alec fucking Baldwin gets involved to throw gasoline on the damn thing.
Bullying and harassment shouldn't be dismissed as just merely 'general internet trash'. It's wrong and should be called out as that's the only way to start stemming the tide of filth. It's not 'general internet trash' to cold call someone's father or to leak people's social insurance information online.
Give War A Chance
Member
Personally, I really find that it would just be best to let this situation blow over, as it had been doing up until this was posted... the internet mob had moved on to hating Destiny...
Looks like we're back to waiting for the new scab to form and drop off now.
Looks like we're back to waiting for the new scab to form and drop off now.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
It's hard to ignore though. Why does Anita have to target video game when there are other mediums that use real life people out there? Why does Bioware always try to make some sort of political statement in their video games? I'm sick of this.
plagiarize
Banned
While many good natured people have picked it up and used it to voice legitimate complaints unrelated to Zoe Quinn, it pretty much was started as an anti feminism scheme.
I forget the thread and I'll gladly dig it up for you, but one of the mods linked evidence of that.
So yeah, it is a scheme cooked up by anti feminists, but the hashtag is being used for more than that now.
No, it really is. Even divorcing Quinn from this, the spearhead of this movement are videos by extremely conservative people with a bone to pick with feminism. It's why, even to this day, the movement still champions people like The Internet Aristocrat and Adam Baldwin, and a writer on Breitbart. They don't give a shit about gaming journalism, they care about being anti-feminism.
The idea that a whole movement started up to fix corruption in games journalism based on a freeware browser indie game, and not the millions of dollars flowing in and around big publisher games and the way they control access and coverage, is ridiculous.
Bullshit.
Damerman
Member
if you were following what i was saying from the beginning, you would understand that the wiki link serves the purpose of proving my "any publicity is good publicity". As soon as something controversial gains traction, it will be talked about more and more, regardless if it's death threats or endorsements. If she was in fact the most hated person on the internet it would mean that her controversy would reach a point where her true physical safety would not be able to bear the entire Hate of the entire internet.
Its funny, I'm trying to be objective as i can, and yet 3 people were already primed to think that I'm dismissing her as someone who should shut up or who is not a victim. lol. wow.
Not to mention the women who have actually quit the video game industry as a result of mass harassment on the part of gamergaters
You know that Anita spent several years making vidoes about movies, right? Sociological criticism is incredibly common in literature, film, music etc., but when even the most basic levels of criticism are leveled at video games it's too much?
Because it needs to be targeted.
Because they feel like it.
Then bury your head in the sand and ignore it.
not_so_special
Banned
the logs are real,not a fabrication from her bf,she admits this part
she lied about the wizardchan case,the rebel gamejam,the fine young capitalist affair,censoring gamenosh articles,dmc againts totalbiscuit, its not a isolated incident..and i dont give a fxxx about her sex life
plagiarize
Banned
Then go play some games. Maybe avoid the bioware ones if you don't like them.
That other stuff is guilty of things doesn't galvanise gaming from criticism. Gaming has problems. We can talk about them like adults without going 'wah, but other things have problems too, why don't we talk about that instead?'
because this is a gaming forum. and we care about gaming and it's problems. I'm sure you could go to a movie forum and read all about the racism and misogyny there, but games have their own unique problems that deserve specific analysis.
get over it.
You should probably direct your hate to the guy who forced you to watch Anita's video at gunpoint since it's not in your power to avoid them.
Same goes with Bioware games, apparently you do not have the power to not buy and play them.
Nope, not an option.
for the record, I never watched a video by Anita or played a Bioware game, apparently I'm not dead.
If you cared enough, it would only take thirty seconds to learn that Anita Sarkeesian already did a Tropes vs. Women series that took on movies and television.
She's doing video games now, because she didn't do it before and she's interested in the topic.
Stop feeling personally attacked when someone points out a problem with a video game you played.
How bloody well dare people point out any inherent prejudices that coincide with the hobby I enjoy?
You really have no reason to be upset about sexism being pointed out unless you're attached to it.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Please please please point me in the direction of the evidence that GamerGate is not a cover for hate and a large amount of misogyny. I've been following the hashtag. I've been active in the thread and I and others have asked multiple times for someone to post links to examples showing that the GamerGate movement, well, isn't just a cover to fling hate at indie devs and "social justice warriors" *thunderclap* and no-one has been able to put any forward.
But, well, we have a thread for that discussion I guess, so this probably isn't the place for it: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=889097
Why do we gamers have to be so defensive of our hobby. Are we so ashamed of our hobby that we can't handle any sort of criticism. It's not like Anita is saying games are satanic.
Bioware should make political statements in their games. Games are art and art often makes statements about the world. Would you rather EA games not take these sorts of risks and try not to offend anyone. That kind of attitude just makes games more generic.
plagiarize
Banned
Being gay is okay is the main one that comes to mind, and honestly, I hope it's not that he's upset about.
I don't understand why it's so upsetting to have social criticism of gaming. People always try to get games accepted as a legitimate form of art -- art literally cannot exist without a parallel emergence of critical theory. This isn't a BAD thing for gaming. This is gaming maturing as an art form.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
First fully gay male in their video game. Not that i mind gay people at all.
They've got gays.
What scary politics.
Eheh. Eheh. Heh... Okay, buddy.
I'm gay. I'm infecting your gaming forum with my supposed inherent politics! What are you going to do?! Ruuuun!
Probably that strong women and minority leads can exist in gaming. Or that gays and lesbians exist, and there's nothing wrong with that. End of the world shit right there, folks.
What other medium is there that doesn't already have years (sometimes decades) of feminist critique already?
shacklesmcgee
Member
source for this? besides the five guys bullshit
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
You're right. Now that i think of it it was even around when i was younger. The whole Mortal Kombat fiasco. I was just too young to really understand.
plagiarize
Banned
Riiiight. You just mind when someone makes a video game that says being gay is okay. You're totally fine with gay people existing so long as there isn't any gayness in your video games.
That people even consider this the main takeaway of the article is seriously embarrassing.
Wait you're saying that Bioware games (which last I checked let you make your own characters, face, sex and all) forced you to play as a fully gay male character?
You should really call the police to get rid of the guy controlling your life so much.
Or is that your gay friend that you tots have forcing this?
Correction. Being anonymous makes people act like who they truly are. It is not an excuse for acting like a shithole. It doesn't make a normally nice person a shit hole. It allows a person who knows how to appear nice feel like they can kick back and not worry about appearances and act like their true selves.
I have no issues with people having social criticisms of gaming. I just wish someone besides Anita was the defacto face of it. From what I've watched of her videos, her criticisms seem flaky at best to me and in general Anita feels like a really shady individual to me.
plagiarize
Banned
Zoe quite likely did not write the title of this story.
SolidsnackooFoxhound
Banned
Please don't put words in my mouth. Thanks. My whole family is christian and i'm not even religious at all. I do not mind gay people. As i said i don't really like politics in my games if you haven't read my post earlier.
Are gay people inherently political?
If true, they are doing an extraordinarily poor job. I'd liken it to trying to put out a forest fire with a sledgehammer.