It looks crap in motion, not in screenshots.
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50/60hz on the PAL Wii U eShop - Discussion Thread
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It looks crap in motion, not in screenshots.
stargateheaven
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Ps3 also suffers from ps1 games being 50hz btw
Wish 50hz would die
Wish 50hz would die
TheMoon
Member
50Hz did die. It's the resurrected corpses that are the problem.
Monty Mole
Member
Thought this was fixed now?
Everytime I read about the horrors of 8 and 16 bit gaming in pal land , I'm always surprised gaming took off over there at all. Like, it's no wonder people stuck with PCs and Amiga consoles that had properly formatted and built games.
Is there still a decent number of 50hz tellys over there or since the advent of HDTVs have they pretty much died out in favor of 60 hz ?
Is there still a decent number of 50hz tellys over there or since the advent of HDTVs have they pretty much died out in favor of 60 hz ?
Dead Man Typing
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The TV my family bought in 1994 supported 60hz via SCART. By the time the Dreamcast came out in October 1999 the 18 inch portable in my room supported 60hz. Sega put 60hz options into most of it's games and so did many third parties. The PS2 eventually got on board and had many games with a 60hz option.
Then the original Xbox had a 50/60hz option in the dashboard, with most titles supporting true 60hz - with a weird swap back to 50hz in 2005 for some reason. Then the 360 came out and started releasing games that were 60hz only and wouldn't play on old TV's even with standard def cables.
Essentially, 50hz has been effectively dead to end users in PAL territories for over 10 years, but every once in a while something like this peaks out from under the rock. There was no reason for Nintendo to ever release a 50hz game in 2013 and I passed up buying Super Metroid for £0.30 because of it.
TheMoon
Member
In order to find a 50Hz(-only!) TV you have to find a person who hasn't bought a new TV since the 80s or something crazy like that.
Well, yes, there clearly was: languages.
Nah. Not a chance. Even in the translated version, all the weapon names, locations, abilities and on screen messages are in full English. Only the intro and ending text is translated, absolutely NOTHING in the actual game itself is translated. There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever, especially now they have released DKC in full English with far more text.
TheMoon
Member
What he said: "no reason"
What I said: "yes, this one"
What you said: "no excuse!"
The language option was clearly the reason in those few cases. That being the reason doesn't have anything to do with us agreeing with it or not. That's obviously not a valid excuse. Note also how there is more than a year of time that has passed since then and almost a year since ALttP. And you should know by now that I'm in favor of all 60 all the time.
multiple languages. europe has a few of those. (usually just english, french, italian and german)
Yeah I gathered that from your post above. But thanks for your direct response.
At first, I thought it was over minor spelling differences. I didn't know older cart games had multiple text options on the rom. But then I
please don't kill me
Neff
Member
Well, um, obviously I'm talking about the game in motion. I happen to think that LttP is one of the most visually beautiful games ever made. But the European Wii U optimisation compromises that, reducing it to a juddery, slowed-down copy.
The vast, vast majority of consumers were simply unaware, and probably wouldn't have noticed the difference if you showed them, anyway.
Omnii-chan
Member
<<<<So do I
It's mainly Sony we need to worry about with this crap now. Nintendo seems to get the idea.
I think the only reason the EU/AU PSN store has SOME US (98% are PAL 50hz) games is because they figured out it was easier for them to just throw the already emulated US version than work on emulating the PAL version, NOT because we prefer 60hz.
I posted this in the DKC thread, but I think it will be relevant here too:
So, onto the next game:
DONKEY KONG COUNTRY 2
I've done a bit of research. There are four versions of the game:
There was no spanish translation and no italian translation. The 60hz version is already in French - so that's a bonus. Now, looking at this realistically - Nintendo has no choice but to release the 60hz version. Here are their options:
1. Release the 60hz version in Europe. French and English are both sorted. poor germans though.
2. Release the PAL UK version in europe - pointless. USA version has french and english.
3. Release the German PAL version in Europe - french are missing out.
The only other option is to give the germans the german version and everyone else the 60hz one - but considering what happened with DKC1 last week, I think we can safely say we're going to get the 60hz one. phew. There's no reason at all to release the UK PAL one, that's for sure. It'd be a massive dick move. In terms of working out which version we get, we'll have to go on the boot up splash screen. If it says "released in america", we're cool!
Now, here's more:
DONKEY KONG COUNTRY 3
These are the versions:
Now, this is a bit less clear cut. It's basically a DKC1 situation - but in this case, the USA version also has French. So it could go either way. If they give us 60hz DKC2 I see absolutely no reason why they wont do the same for DKC3.
So, onto the next game:
DONKEY KONG COUNTRY 2
I've done a bit of research. There are four versions of the game:
There was no spanish translation and no italian translation. The 60hz version is already in French - so that's a bonus. Now, looking at this realistically - Nintendo has no choice but to release the 60hz version. Here are their options:
1. Release the 60hz version in Europe. French and English are both sorted. poor germans though.
2. Release the PAL UK version in europe - pointless. USA version has french and english.
3. Release the German PAL version in Europe - french are missing out.
The only other option is to give the germans the german version and everyone else the 60hz one - but considering what happened with DKC1 last week, I think we can safely say we're going to get the 60hz one. phew. There's no reason at all to release the UK PAL one, that's for sure. It'd be a massive dick move. In terms of working out which version we get, we'll have to go on the boot up splash screen. If it says "released in america", we're cool!
Now, here's more:
DONKEY KONG COUNTRY 3
These are the versions:
Now, this is a bit less clear cut. It's basically a DKC1 situation - but in this case, the USA version also has French. So it could go either way. If they give us 60hz DKC2 I see absolutely no reason why they wont do the same for DKC3.
Nintendo PR release.
I'm so fucking pissed off.
Anyone who buys this shit deserves exactly what they get. I hope whoever buys this crap enjoys their gameplay being fucked up by the dead frames each second and incorrect sprite speeds.
Enjoy it. What brilliant treatment of one of the best games ever made. Or, just refuse to support this and don't waste your money. Buy the SNES version and use an emulator. Anything but supporting this. Anything.
In general I don't mind 50hz for VC games, since it was the original representation in Europe/Australia for those games.
Having the option would be nice though.
(Because of the issues Nintende seems to have with 50hz games on Wii U VC, they should careful decisions on a case by case basis)
Having the option would be nice though.
(Because of the issues Nintende seems to have with 50hz games on Wii U VC, they should careful decisions on a case by case basis)
50hz is alive and well on European TV
...the entire point of this thread is that it is NOT the original representation of the games in ANY region.
The 50hz PAL VC games are NOT in 50hz. They are in butchered 60hz through use of repeated frames. That is the issue. Read the OP, seriously.
Robin64
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This has to be repeated too much.
And as such is why Nintendo will continue, through this ignorance.
Sigh. I give up. Fuck it. Its obvious us in the EU will always get fucked over.
I hope those PC drivers for the gamepad surface soon, that'd light a fire under Nintendo. They wouldn't notice the fire but it'd be nice to have it.
If something is broken and fixing is that simple you should probably fix it.
Nintendo didnt even fix it. They made 50hz games even worse.
JB2448
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What if I told you that, according to the languages listed on Donkey Kong Country 3's page, if your version list is correct, Rich, that it will be 60hz? Compare that to Donkey Kong Country 2's page.
Robin64
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So the best one is the only one getting shafted (by the looks of things)
No what I'm saying to them is that it wouldn't matter even if their gimped state was "authentic", it's still gimped and should still be fixed.
Well, I don't care anymore. DKC2 is my favourite game of all time and they fucked it up. Even if DKC3 came with an evening alone with Scarlett Johansson, I still wouldnt buy it purely out of principle.
Pila
Member
I never bought a 50 hz game on my Wii U, not even at 30 cent. Fuck this bullshit.
Pretty happy to see DKC running at 60 hz, they have a lot of 60 hz games on the virtual console. Don't buy the 50 hz ones guys, we're not clueless kids anymore.
They never patched Balloon Fight? I'd love to buy it...
EDIT: oh shit the second one is 50 hz?! Lol Nintendo, what a joke.
Pretty happy to see DKC running at 60 hz, they have a lot of 60 hz games on the virtual console. Don't buy the 50 hz ones guys, we're not clueless kids anymore.
They never patched Balloon Fight? I'd love to buy it...
EDIT: oh shit the second one is 50 hz?! Lol Nintendo, what a joke.
Robin64
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Oh they patched it in a hilarious way. They just made the entire thing run 20% faster. Because it's NES, this has the result of giving wonderful overpitched music.
What if they release the USA rom as an upgrade dlc? trolltendo!
It's not even that, none of it seems to make any sense now.
yeah. DKC3 is going to be 60hz apparently
none of this shit makes any sense at all. it's absolutely infuriating.
Neff
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Horribly disappointing, but not really surprising. Nintendo doesn't care about giving us the NTSC experience because the vast majority of gamers don't care. The old 60hz campaign worked (for non translated titles at least- but how many of those are we going to get going forward?) because the difference between slowed, bordered PAL and NTSC was palpable, but nobody cares about poor framerate and input lag because they just can't tell the difference.
I'd like to think there'll be a noticeable dropoff in sales between DKC1 and DKC2 on the eShop so Nintendo gets the message, but if anything, it'll sell even better due to being a much better game.
I've almost totally lost faith in Nintendo's ability to offer consistent high quality VC in Europe, particularly when it's the some of the best SNES titles getting the shaft, and have done for a while now. No outrage, just resigned, weary disappointment from a die hard Nintendo fan.
They replaced it with a weird speeded up version, but it's still an awkward compromise and not faithful to the original.
I'd like to think there'll be a noticeable dropoff in sales between DKC1 and DKC2 on the eShop so Nintendo gets the message, but if anything, it'll sell even better due to being a much better game.
I've almost totally lost faith in Nintendo's ability to offer consistent high quality VC in Europe, particularly when it's the some of the best SNES titles getting the shaft, and have done for a while now. No outrage, just resigned, weary disappointment from a die hard Nintendo fan.
They replaced it with a weird speeded up version, but it's still an awkward compromise and not faithful to the original.
TheMoon
Member
If only! I would be completely fine with that! Hell, I'd even pay the standard SNES upgrade fee on top!
if only you had read the last few posts lol
Liar.
You would be powerless!
Robin64
Member
This is where I am. Can't be angry anymore, just tired of it.
Robin64
Member
Read the last page. :s
Yeah, I give up.
I shouldn't be bothered. I have the Super Famicom versions, and I can enjoy them as they were supposed to be on there or on Retroarch on my PC (with a SNES controller via my TV). I would support Nintendo if they released 60hz versions, like I have done before. But no, they won't be seeing any money from me anymore.
But of course, I mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things. Most people won't be aware and purchase anyway. And they'll be getting an inferior hacked together version of a classic which we played in a better state both in PAL and NTSC twenty years ago. sigh
Luckily for me, at least DKC was 60hz since I had to upgrade one of my Wii VC games for cheap to get the Tropical Freeze deal when I get paid, but it's still all fucked up as I would have liked to have at least got 2 as well.
The only good thing to come out of this is to confirm the criteria of which games are US or not: There isn't one.
The only good thing to come out of this is to confirm the criteria of which games are US or not: There isn't one.
Pila
Member
Thanks guys, what a bummer, they waste their time doing a pointless job when they could just give us the real deal. :/
Like you said, I'm not even angry anymore, they just don't want my money I guess. I'm a big Nintendo fan but I'm not a moron, I'll replay the trilogy on my SNES if anything.
I would be up for that if I knew exactly where to address it to.
I would go full on dissertation essay on their asses
Just a thought: can we make this the official 60Hz on PAL VC "discussion" thread? I'm loving how none of this is in the Ninty Downloads thread right now. It's so peaceful in there! I'm serious, btw!
Yeah, if a mod wants to change the title to "50hz in PAL Wii U VC titles - Complaints Thread" then feel free to do so.
According to their website, this is the address for business partners:
Nintendo of Europe GmbH
Nintendo Center
63760 Großostheim
(Germany)
they also have one for customers, but it's only a POB, so I would use the above. If you add a line with "attn: Satoru Shibata" under NoE GmbH it should arrive on his secretaries desktop, who will hopefully pass it to him, if enough people complain.