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[Andrew Korenchkin]

Thank god nobody was killed. A 12 year old girl though getting shot.....I can't imagine.

 

[LakeEarth]

NYC didn't do much to better the rampant violence. That violence rate declined world wide at the same time. Researchers are trying to find out why that's the case. There's been good info on this though.

And look at the murder rate in Chicago over the years, compared to other major cities in America and tell me what you think.

Information is from http://www.factcheck.org/2016/07/dueling-claims-on-crime-trend/

Holy shit at NYC! I knew it got remarkably better, but 2,245 to 352!?!

 

[mckmas8808]

If people are really interested in one of the reasons Chicago's crime rate is bad read this article.


How Health and Housing Relate to Crime in Chicago
BY WHET MOSER
Link

Low birth weight, childhood lead poisoning, pre-term births, and infant mortality rate all go hand in hand with the crime rate—but there are significant differences in how neighboring communities are affected.


For decades, many fine journalists and academics have looked at the overlap between crime in Chicago and other health outcomes, by way of looking at crime as a social health problem instead of merely a problem of criminology. Sometimes it’s illness as metaphor; other times, the overlap of physical health outcomes and crime in the city.

A recent study out of the Chicago Fed, by senior economist Susan Longworth, takes it a bit farther, running statistical correlations between health and crime (and lots of other things) in the city’s community areas.

Perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising, but the degree to which crime rates correlates with health outcomes still has the power to astonish.

North Lawndale is the subject of Beryl Satter’s epic Family Properties. It’s where Ta-Nehisi Coates set his immense Atlantic cover story on reparations, with its focus on housing, disinvestment, discrimination, and capital flight.

Their works are exceptional, but it’s not a new story. In 1971, the National Urban league produced The National Survey of Housing Abandonment, which inevitably touches on North Lawndale, along with Woodlawn and neighborhoods in other cities. And it might give a clue as to why lead poisoning is much worse in North Lawndale.

There has been virtually no new capital flowing into Lawndale for the past ten years or into Woodlawn for the past fifteen. In Lawndale, the racial transition which occurred in the end of the 1950s was aided by at least some of the financial institutions which provided mortgage money for investor-speculators in accompanying the racial change. These investor-speculators would panic white owners, purchase the property at depressed prices, take out a mortgage based upon either the actual or inflated market value, then sell a purchase contract to a Negro buyer…. The seller would then resell his property to another would-be home owner and repeat this process as long as the property would sustain it. This process continues to go on although many properties have been forced off the market due to over-exploitation.

After this initial wave in the late 1950s, banks began to appreciate what was transpiring and decline to make any further investment in North Lawndale. Subsequently, there has been very little real estate activity in this neighborhood except for resale of purchase money mortgages, and the simple abandonment of properties by their owners when they became unmanageable or when cash-flow becomes negative.
In short, absentee investor-speculators rode the properties until they broke, then left them for dead.

In part from the experiences in these crises [sic] ghetto neighborhoods, and in part due to the general shortage of investment capital or the competition for monies from alternative investments, little capital is available either for transfer or refinancing of properties, or for purposes of major improvements in any of the black neighborhoods in Chicago.

 

[TetraGenesis]

Wow, that many people, and 0 deaths. Thank goodness. Chicago has some real problems. Wonder if sending FBI/CIA etc. in would help at this point.

You just eat up anything Trump plops in front of your face, don't you?

 

[Spring-Loaded]

You just eat up anything Trump plops in front of your face, don't you?

Well, he proudly avoids picking up after his dog. He just loves shit, it seems

 

[v0yce]

The NRA should step up and flood Chicago with free guns so it will be safe.

 

[Got]

idk how that works sorry, whatever, Chicago needs help

you don't know how a lot of shit works yet that hasn't stopped you from saying ignorant shit yet

 

[mckmas8808]

Look at what city never makes the top of the list for the "Murder Capital" of the country.

 

[Ray Wonder]

you don't know how a lot of shit works yet that hasn't stopped you from saying ignorant shit yet

wow personal attacks haha

 

[tearsintherain]

Is there any reading material on what the hell is happening in Chicago and why it has such a huge problem with violence?

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_result_of_its_1990s_anti_gang_policies.html

Unintended consequences. Feds busted up the leaders of all the gangs over a decade, and violence slowly dropped. Great news!

Unfortunately the disassembly of the big gangs has now led to hundreds of smaller gangs, led by younger members, who are all violently fighting each other for very small territories - typically one or two city blocks. Its not just drug territory either, its about respect and cred and women and shoes and whatever else young men will view as more important than lives. Whereas before with big gangs it really revolved around money and keeping out of the cross hair of news and police, new gangs are small and don't see any real future so don't care what happens to them or anyone else.

There is no simple solution anymore, short of deploying a massive army 24x7 in the affected areas its going to take decades to get people to see better opportunities for themselves and their kids.

In some ways it mirrors our follies in the middle east, we thought we were doing good by taking out dictators but it turns out the chaos that follows when you lose them is worse than the repressive systems they kept in place. Thats the problem with taking out bad guys sometimes, even worse guys rise up in a vacuum.

 

[apocalidiot]

wow personal attacks haha

Why don't you try educating yourself on issues instead of parroting the trash that comes out of Trump's mouth?

 

[ViciousDS]

People don't want to fix it because it's isolated. Because corruption. Because poverty. But let people think sending in the feds to Southside will solve things

Yes, you might as well call it a new town/city name

It's literally completely separate from the rest of the city and insanely different in nearly every aspect

 

[mckmas8808]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...e_result_of_its_1990s_anti_gang_policies.html

Unintended consequences. Feds busted up the leaders of all the gangs over a decade, and violence slowly dropped. Great news!

Unfortunately the disassembly of the big gangs has now led to hundreds of smaller gangs, led by younger members, who are all violently fighting each other for very small territories - typically one or two city blocks. Its not just drug territory either, its about respect and cred and women and shoes and whatever else young men will view as more important than lives. Whereas before with big gangs it really revolved around money and keeping out of the cross hair of news and police, new gangs are small and don't see any real future so don't care what happens to them or anyone else.

There is no simple solution anymore, short of deploying a massive army 24x7 in the affected areas its going to take decades to get people to see better opportunities for themselves and their kids.

In some ways it mirrors our follies in the middle east, we thought we were doing good by taking out dictators but it turns out the chaos that follows when you lose them is worse than the repressive systems they kept in place. Thats the problem with taking out bad guys sometimes, even worse guys rise up in a vacuum.

NO! Lets be clear, it was worse when the big gangs were in control in the early 90s and 80s. It's bad now, but compared to before it's alot better.

The same goes for the Middle East. Those dictators are killing so many people that life over there wasn't good (old Iraq).

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Shooting up a family thats grieving? No way they let this slide and find a peaceful solution. Retaliation is pretty much guaranteed.

 

[Shaanyboi]

What the fuck

 

[Fuchsdh]

Wow, that many people, and 0 deaths. Thank goodness. Chicago has some real problems. Wonder if sending FBI/CIA etc. in would help at this point.

Not for any long term solution, probably. And throwing a bunch of government law enforcement into neighborhoods and treating them like war zones, even if they are, would probably just increase tensions, increase chances of innocent people getting killed, and further erode civil rights for the people stuck there.

The feds and city/state government can do wonders to address some of the root causes with better anti-poverty action and boosting educational opportunities, but that's only part of the problem. Gang culture is cancerous and it's something only the community themselves can really root out.

 

[glow]

Happens regularly at vigils, wakes, and funerals of gang members. A lot of the times even the cop cars guarding the vigils take gun fire. But of course it never makes the national news until now that Trump is saying he will send in the Feds.

Yup these may-you-never-rest-in-piece memorial shoot em ups have been happening for decades. That's why cops try to keep tight patrol around them. The only thing new and interesting about this is the tie-in to Facebook Live...

Nevermind that there are other parts of the country with even bigger gun violence problems. Chicago is a scapegoat.

And whoever said bring the feds, pro tip: if Trump wants the same thing, that's a sign. The solution involves actual investment in the area and community. Look to the activists and orgs, not law enforcement. They have the solution.

I've been seeing folks on neogaf say "Time to send in the national guard!" in Chicago violence threads for years and I always call them out on that stupid ass shit. Now that Trump is saying the same stupid thing, they can bow their heads in shame and take a look at real logical long-term solutions for once.

 

[Eppy Thatcher]

Shooting up a family thats grieving? No way they let this slide and find a peaceful solution. Retaliation is pretty much guaranteed.

This is where my heads at. No way do calmer heads prevail at this point.

Gonna get worse before it gets better and all that.

 

[7DollarHagane]

I get that republicans are against gun control but there's no way most of these murders are being done with legal and registered guns.

Can't they do a mass illegal weapon confiscation and destruction in the city?
Illegal weapons should be melted down and recycled. Get them out of circulation.

 

[International Iron Man]

Its a little more complicated than that. First you have to convince the people shooting each other that working a job is worth their time. Its way beyond "I'm in a gang because I have no job". To some its a preferred lifestyle choice. How do you change that mindset?

People don't make shit being in a gang. You offer someone a job making 15 dollars an hour that's leaps and bounds more than the average gang member makes, and there's no risk of getting shot on the job.

It's actually economics. Simple as that.

 

[bootsthecat]

People don't make shit being in a gang. You offer someone a job making 15 dollars an hour that's leaps and bounds more than the average gang member makes, and there's no risk of getting shot on the job.

It's actually economics. Simple as that.

Not that I will go through the work of linking sources and such, but there have been plenty of articles on the topic which include these kids talking about how working entry-level jobs was a joke...and it seemed in many of those cases the wage wasn't the issue, so much as not being able to have similar lifestyles to their peers and folks they look up to. Now, whether that's making bank selling dope, or just hanging on the block with your boys all day makes no difference, a $15 9-5 factory job isn't competing with the current culture in place.