speculawyer
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Fucking jerks. You destroy your own cause.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080306/wl_nm/palestinians_israel_violence_dc
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7 killed at Jerusalem school plus 2 gunmen killed too :-(
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Fucking jerks. You destroy your own cause.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080306/wl_nm/palestinians_israel_violence_dc
BigJonsson
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And the leader of Hamas will be killed in.........
"In Gaza City, residents went out into the streets and fired rifles in celebration in the air after hearing news of the attack on the seminary."
Any of those carrying a gun, and especially firing it, should be acceptably marked for death. While the Israeli's should be pressured to keep more efficient accountability of their military tactics, these gun-totters have clearly indicated to everyone that they are not a part of the civilian contingent.
Any of those carrying a gun, and especially firing it, should be acceptably marked for death. While the Israeli's should be pressured to keep more efficient accountability of their military tactics, these gun-totters have clearly indicated to everyone that they are not a part of the civilian contingent.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Palestinians need to realize that in order for them to have any kind of future, they need to repudiate Hamas.
So sad about the news, though.
So sad about the news, though.
radioheadrule83
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speculawyer said:
Their only cause seems to have been bringing pain and misery to innocent Israelies.
They haven't done anything to the Palestinian cause however, that isn't being brought on them by Israel already. Until they can find some kind of agreement that marginalises the extreme elements within the likes of Hamas, and stop curbing the freedom of innocent people, shit like this is gonna keep happening for many more years to come.
Jason's Ultimatum said:Palestinians need to realize that in order for them to have any kind of future, they need to repudiate Hamas.
So sad about the news, though.
That will never happen as long as Isreal keeps dropping bombs in the street. I think Isreal needs to be proactive in reassuring the palestinian people that they are really interested in a peace that will help both their countries. However, if you a talking peace today and tommorrow you drop a bomb in the street killing innocent people, the situation becomes a lost cause. Isreal should start using its drone technology more rather than dropping bombs which kill innocent people indiscrinately.
I wish both sides should take a pause and take a look at the burden of war that is put on the innocent people. However, I still put the onus on Isreal to take the lead in trying to end this bloody war.
electricpirate
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Yea, I personally only get news on the region from a combination of Haaretz and Al Jazera. Everyone else is just biased.
Karma Kramer
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This is sad... but
ah I won't say it. Don't want to be a dick.
ah I won't say it. Don't want to be a dick.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Oy...
Someone just needs to hit the flush lever on that part of the world.
Someone just needs to hit the flush lever on that part of the world.
Jeff-DSA said:
http://english.aljazeera.net/English
Obviously they are biased toward the palestinian cause. Afterall, they are an Arabic channel. Not as bad as the American media though
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
Children Killed :
Israelis: 119
Palestinians: 982
Civilians* Killed:
Israelis: 705
Palestinians: 2,087 - 2,974
Look at the number of children killed in 2007. Only one Israeli kid was killed, and he was palestinian with Israeli citizenship!!!
And 59 palestinian kids died last year
Children Killed :
Israelis: 119
Palestinians: 982
Civilians* Killed:
Israelis: 705
Palestinians: 2,087 - 2,974
Look at the number of children killed in 2007. Only one Israeli kid was killed, and he was palestinian with Israeli citizenship!!!
And 59 palestinian kids died last year
Warrior300 said:
Of course. I just support the complete and utter liquidation of groups dedicated to murdering civilians and indoctrination of children into martyrdom. These enemies of the species cannot be allowed to exist.
When the Palestinian peoples can be separated from the militants and has a representative sovereign government for these peoples, then some real inroads can be made. Unfortunately, they have no such representative as of this moment.
Thudmaster
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BigJonsson said:
Hamas were not responsible for this attack. The gunmen came from the west bank according to the information released thus far.
"The school is a well-known centre for Jewish studies and most students are aged between 18 and 30." - BBC
So these victims are not counted as children.
OgnodoD said:
I hope the Palestinians retaliate even harder....
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Both governments are acting childish. They need to just stop. period.
Isreal gives back what the Palestinians have owned until it was taken from them in 1950's(?)
Remember in the times of Jesus it was Palestine not Isreal. Because Isreal was a minority like the immigrants in the EU/US.
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Palestinians need to stop blowing shit up.
Isreal gives back what the Palestinians have owned until it was taken from them in 1950's(?)
Remember in the times of Jesus it was Palestine not Isreal. Because Isreal was a minority like the immigrants in the EU/US.
BUT
Palestinians need to stop blowing shit up.
pewye said:
That site is moderately to extremely biased. Here's a (probably equally biased) refutation of it:
http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/ifamericansknew.html
My point is that numbers like that coming from an organization with an obvious agenda should be viewed skeptically.
Regardless, it's clearly one-sided in terms of power...
Whatever the numbers, I'm sure Isreal is ahead by a lot in terms of children killed.
That's all the bothers me, the kids being killed... Let Mr. Cohen and Mr. Hamza kill themselves til the cows come home, but the kids should be left alone, period.
Adults killing kids FTL.
Whatever the numbers, I'm sure Isreal is ahead by a lot in terms of children killed.
That's all the bothers me, the kids being killed... Let Mr. Cohen and Mr. Hamza kill themselves til the cows come home, but the kids should be left alone, period.
Adults killing kids FTL.
yankeeforever2
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Isreal is always wrong on Neogaf, no bother to argue with these people.Wraith said:
bob_arctor
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Short skimming through this site reveals it's absolutely full of shit.Wraith said:
I don't think you'll be able to find a single sane person that would argue that there are less Palestinian casualties than Israelis.
And anyway, I don't know the point of such death math; it's meaningless and reduces the tragic loss of innocent human lives into a suffering pissing contest.
ImperialConquest said:
It's not as though Israel specifically targets children, while suicide bombers certainly do so...
Either way, I agree with the second part of what you say.
Chichikov said:
Neither I nor that site is arguing that the number of Palestinian deaths is smaller(or even close, really) to the number of Israeli deaths.
Thudmaster
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Chichikov said:
Wow, your way of writing amazes me.
( I'm serious)
Thudmaster
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Wraith said:
Are you sure?
There were anti-Israeli demonstrations across the West Bank. A number of protesters were reported to have been injured in clashes in Hebron, and a teenager was shot dead near Birzeit university in Ramallah, reportedly by a Jewish settler. -BBC
speculawyer
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But what really sucks is that it only takes a small number on each side that do want war to keep the violence going. And both sides do have extremists. There are the hard-right Israeli settlers and hardcore Islamist Hamas fighters..Warrior300 said:
Thudmaster said:
Most Palestinian casualties on the part of Israeli's are the result of military operations against militants. The militants on the other hand attack civilians, typically in scenarios where they are unarmed or unable to respond because the delivery vehicle is a suicide bomber.
To suggest like you just did that the Israeli's may be specifically targeting children based on one-off situations between settlers is not only disingenuous, it makes you part of the same inhuman coalition of blood-letters.
bob_arctor
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140.85 said:
Old news, I posted the text message crap and someone else the cheering. All of this is old news though. Ancient even.
Atrus said:
See how when you switch up two words, how nicely it still fits.
Lol at trying to justify Palie deaths as simply being collateral damage.
How is a suicide bomber any different than a tank suddenly rumbling down the street and taking out a building? People can't defend themselves against such things.
Anyway, like I said...
The IDF are a shameful bunch of monsters for killing children willy-nilly and so are the parents who would turn their kids into child soldiers.
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