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[AmMortal]

Hopefully more.

Israel should just "finish the fight" already, take them all out.

That's why I don't play HALO

 

[Slurpy]

Hopefully more.

Israel should just "finish the fight" already, take them all out.

Hopefully someone takes you out. It's cool condoning mass slaughter, eh?

 

[Illuminati]

IM JUST THROWING THIS OUT THERE: Saying Israel should give back all the land from '67 is like saying America should give back Texas to Mexico. They won it in war, it's how land is gained.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I do think Israel should give back the land from '67 not because it doesn't belong to them, but just because I want peace

You sort of contradict yourself. You say America have the right to keep Texas because they won it in war, but did Israel not win land it occupies today won from war as well?

 

[GaimeGuy]

Hopefully someone takes you out, and your entire fucking family.

What he said is intolerable, but so is this.

this thread is starting to get really ugly.

*bails out*

 

[Adamrogo]

Oh, and Israel wouldn't have killed those palestinians this week, if they didn't fire rockets into Israel for the past YEAR.

 

[Adamrogo]

Hopefully someone takes you out, and your entire fucking family. It's cool condoning mass slaughter, eh?

Anyone who supports the palestinian cause supports mass slaughter.

 

[AmMortal]

This is a pretty stupid thing to say. You and I both know that Jews don't take the Bible literally except for a marginalized crazy orthodox group that nobody pays any attention to. On the flipside you have millions of muslims who believe in the subjugation of women and executing people for adultery.

Wrong, Nothing in the Qur'an ever states any tendency to terrorism I challenge you to find it. In full Context please. But violence is all over the torah, that and excuse me for saying this:

Incest, rape and blatant racism.


The Criterion came to correct what happened to the Law.


Lets get out of the name calling dudes.


Keep thread alive, its gteting intersting.

 

[speculawyer]

There was never a country called Palestine.

The people with the longest historical connection to Israel are the Jews. They were the ones who had there land taken away from them numerous times by invading Muslim forces.

After World War 2 70% of Israeli territory was transfered from Ottoman hands into British hands. How can it be stolen from them if it never belonged to them in the first place?

http://bokertov.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/30/israel_and_the_arab_world.gif

Kastrioti
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[Verano]

Mods need to moderate this topic often because some you guys are assholes and hijack the thread with childish bickering back and forth.

 

[RiZ III]

For those who haven't read the full article, this quote really shows that both sides have the same mentality.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

After the shooting, hundreds of seminary students demonstrated outside the building, screaming for revenge and chanting, "Death to Arabs."

 

[pewye]

exactly.

If that is the case (and it is not) then you should hand the U.S government to the Native Americans. Afterall, this land originally belonged to them.

 

[Slurpy]

For those who haven't read the full article, this quote really shows that both sides have the same mentality.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

No, you see, Israelis are more 'civilized'. Meanwhile they still show and talk about the video showing some palestinians celebrating 911, as if people have the faintest clue what the fuck theyve been through, how much injustice they face, and how much of their friends/family have been killed, with the US funding the killing and encouraging it.

 

[pewye]

That story was on front page news from many US sources, such as Yahoo News.

You are just being biased and looking at things the way you want to look at them.

I don't think it was a front page HEADLINE (like big letters with shocking pictures, etc..)

It was on the front pages, but it was just one of the links you can click on.

 

[Illuminati]

For those who haven't read the full article, this quote really shows that both sides have the same mentality.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

Chanting slogans !=

About 7,000 Gazans marched in the streets of Jebaliya, firing in the air in celebration, and visited homes of those killed and wounded in the last Israeli incursion. In the southern town of Rafah, residents distributed sweets to moving cars, and militants fired mortars in celebration.

 

[Chichikov]

For those who haven't read the full article, this quote really shows that both sides have the same mentality.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians

Merkaz Harav is an orthodox right wing school.
While not technically settlers, politically and ideologically they are aligned.
They hardly represent the mainstream society in Israel.

And personally I try not to make a big out deal of retards chanting on either side.

 

[GuessWho]

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I do think Israel should give back the land from '67 not because it doesn't belong to them, but just because I want peace

They want 100% or nothing. They have clearly stated this numerous times.

 

[GSG Flash]

Anyone who supports the palestinian cause supports mass slaughter.

I think you may be the most idiotic poster in Neogaf history with the comments you've made in this thread.

 

[Nicodimas]

Reality:

The land belongs to the one that can hold it. Nothing in the past counts...

 

[Adamrogo]

Reality:

The land belongs to the one that can hold it. Nothing in the past counts...

:lol


And GSG Flash, you must feel that it's ok to go into a library and murder 7 students... yea I guess you're right, that's as bad at retaliating for a years worth of terrorist attacks.

What an upside down world I live in!

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

oh lord...wait, he's not here


They need to Force the 2 State solution down their throats

 

[goomba]

So what is Israel doing in the middle of the "Arab World"?

Why doesn't America give Israel a state in the USA?. Leave the Arab world to the Arabs and the West to the West. PEACE.

 

[Particle Physicist]

If that is the case (and it is not) then you should hand the U.S government to the Native Americans. Afterall, this land originally belonged to them.

"There was never a country called Palestine. "

there is a country called the United States.

the area called Palestine was originally going to be split into two countries, one for the Jewish people, and the other for the Muslims of the area. the jews accepted, the muslims did not, and that is part of how we ended up with the situation today.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

"There was never a country called Palestine. "

there is a country called the United States.

the area called Palestine was originally going to be split into two countries, one for the Jewish people, and the other for the Muslims of the area. the jews accepted, the muslims did not, and that is part of how we ended up with the situation today.

there was never Country called (insert 99% of countries here), terrible argument.

 

[GSG Flash]

:lol


And GSG Flash, you must feel that it's ok to go into a library and murder 7 students... yea I guess you're right, that's as bad at retaliating for a years worth of terrorist attacks.

What an upside down world I live in!

I have no clue what you're saying, from what I get of your posts you're saying committing genocide against innocent people is acceptable retaliation for the actions of a few militants. I'm sure Hitler must have been proud of you.

 

[Particle Physicist]

there was never Country called (insert 99% of countries here), terrible argument.

and 'they should give the land bacK" is not?

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

and 'they should give the land bacK" is not?

they dont have it(yet).

Their military is occupying the "non-jew" part of the land. Slowly trying to make it so

 

[Particle Physicist]

they dont have it(yet).

Their military is occupying the "non-jew" part of the land. Slowly trying to make it so

huh?

EDIT

oh. we, or rather, i was originally talking about israel the country. not the gaza or west bank occupied territories.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

yyyeah, k

anyways, back to square-one. Palestinians goin even more extreme, Polititians will put their "I support Israel" tape on repeat, Arab Countries will bitch, Israel will go in-and-out of territories, terrorism, bla bla bla...

nothing is changing, i use to care so much 4 years ago in college, now im on fuckem mode.

 

[Illuminati]

nothing is changing, i use to care so much 4 years ago in college, now im on fuckem mode.

Nothing has changed in that region for like two thousand years.

 

[Guileless]

:lol Another sober, coolly argued Israel-Palestine thread. I think Jewish control of the media got short shrift this time though.

 

[Propagandhim]

:lol

Your fine US tax dollars at work.

 

[Adamrogo]

Your fine US tax dollars at work.

No silly, US dollars fund the nuclear program :lol

 

[Propagandhim]

No silly, US dollars fund the nuclear program :lol

Quite a bit more than the nuclear program, but I digress.

 

[Particle Physicist]

:lol Another sober, coolly argued Israel-Palestine thread. I think Jewish control of the media got short shrift this time though.

[insert mega rolleyes]

only christians are allowed to own media corporations!!!!!!

 

[yankeeforever2]

Your fine US tax dollars at work.

Well, they are the biggest US ally in a place in the world that wants US off the map, of course we are going to give them money to protect themselves.

 

[goomba]

Well, they are the biggest US ally in a place in the world that wants US off the map, of course we are going to give them money to protect themselves.

:lol wtf ?

 

[speculawyer]

Reality:

The land belongs to the one that can hold it. Nothing in the past counts...

Well, I don't want fucking land and it kinda sucks that billions of my tax dollars go to that right.

 

[Kastrioti]

Wrong, the longest occupier of Israel is the Ottoman Empire, and there were people there before the coming of the Jews (you may want to read the bible).

I said nothing about foreign occupiers. I simply said Jews have the longest historical connection to Israel, and Jerusalem.

It's kind of hard to set up a country when your people have been constantly persecuted as the Jews have been throughout history.

Wrong, when the Muslims invaded Israel there were hardly any Jews there.

That's because Jews were being persecuted and exiled for years by Babylonians, Greeks and Romans. Throughout history various groups of people have tried to wipe the Jews out, but a small community always remained in Israel.

Wrong again.
Israel was occupied by the British in World War I.
And the Palestinians were there.
Sure, they didn't run the country, but at that time neither did the Indians, do they have no claim to India?

Uhhh, thats what I said. Israel was only occupied by Britain for a very short time. After they defeated the Ottoman in WW1 they transfered 70% of Israel to the Brits.

Of course the British and Americans agreed that land should be rightfully given back to the Jews, after the Holocaust.

Sure, they didn't run the country, but at that time neither did the Indians, do they have no claim to India?

Indians have thousands of years of history in India, like the Jews have in Israel. Israel is the birthplace of the Jews, and there spiritual home for over 3,000 years.

Muslims owning Jerusalem would be the equivalent to Christians owning Mecca and Medina. They have no historical ties to it, so why should they have it?

I know it's shocking, but not all Arabs are the same.

But they all hate Jews regardless. They're surrounded by 300,000,000 Muslims who want them wiped off the map.

"If the Arabs put down their weapons today there would be no more violence. If the Israelis put down their weapons today there would be no more Israel."

 

[Nicodimas]

Well, I don't want fucking land and it kinda sucks that billions of my tax dollars go to that right.

Well you certainly dont ever want a war here..It really depends at how look at this. Do they think to big of a picture...greed...or do they care at all.

 

[Kastrioti]

So what is Israel doing in the middle of the "Arab World"?

Why doesn't America give Israel a state in the USA?. Leave the Arab world to the Arabs and the West to the West. PEACE.

Because the Jews felt the need to return to there homeland. If they wanted a state here I'd be all for it, but the majority of Jews want there state to be Israel.

As long as they want that, the U.S. and Britain well continue to support them. The Arab world can bitch all they want, but as long as Israel is supported by the U.S. and U.K., they'll have to sit like obedient little dogs.

 

[speculawyer]

Muslims owning Jerusalem would be the equivalent to Christians owning Mecca and Medina. They have no historical ties to it, so why should they have it?

It is clear that you are completely biased. But it is pretty pathetic the way you say stuff that is just complete bullshit.

No ties to it? Dome of the Rock? Al-Aqsa Mosque?

That might not mean anything to *you* but it certainly means something to them.

 

[minus_273]

Hope this isn't true, but I heard on CNN that there are celebrations in Gaza now because of this event. That is real classy.

islamic fascists say hi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrations_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks

check out the joy in these kids eyes:

 

[GSG Flash]

islamic fascists say hi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrations_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks

check out the joy in these kids eyes:

You're an idiot, you do know that not all Palestinians are muslims right? Palestinians are known as the original Christians. In fact, one of the most well know Palestinian anti Israel militant was a Christian.

 

[soul]

I have a few pictures from the scene, think it'll be OK if I post? maybe then all the people who say it's OK to go in and murder eight students will shut up. Word is the terrorists verified they killed the students, they just shot them over and over which explains the massive amount of blood in the Library of the school.

edit: you've been warned, some of these are hard to view.
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Deadl...os_wl_me_afp/51e51a6df1dd8e3cea26304105b32c28

 

[Kastrioti]

No ties to it? Dome of the Rock? Al-Aqsa Mosque?

Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque are built on the Temple Mount which is the holiest site to Jews. The Temple Mount was built 2,300 years before Islam even existed.:lol It also happens to be the holiest site for Judism.

Those two mosques were built ON the holiest Jewish site that had already existed for 2,300 years. If Jews went and built a holy Synagogue somewhere in Mecca, we all know it would've been burned down, long ago. Jews are civilized enough to let Muslims worship there, but those holy sites in there existence are disrespect to Jews(IMO).

 

[Atrus]

It is clear that you are completely biased. But it is pretty pathetic the way you say stuff that is just complete bullshit.

No ties to it? Dome of the Rock? Al-Aqsa Mosque?

That might not mean anything to *you* but it certainly means something to them.

Built on top the temple mount mind you and left to ruination until political issues and wealth funded its reconstruction.

It's also questionable as to why Muslims have exclusive access to their first holiest site in Mecca but Jews are restricted from theirs.

But this is all pointless to begin with. These rock-worshipers will fight and die for access over it so long as they believe in their childish stories and these structures exist.

 

[Chichikov]

I said nothing about foreign occupiers. I simply said Jews have the longest historical connection to Israel, and Jerusalem.

How do you measure the strongest connection to Jerusalem?
Longest held by?
Sorry, that's the Ottomans.
Original builders?
Read the bible, David captured it from the Jebusites.
Religious importance?
Trust me, if you ever spend any time in Jerusalem you'll get stuck in traffic jams because of religions you've never heard of.

Uhhh, thats what I said. Israel was only occupied by Britain for a very short time. After they defeated the Ottoman in WW1 they transfered 70% of Israel to the Brits.

Of course the British and Americans agreed that land should be rightfully given back to the Jews, after the Holocaust.

Seriously, learn your history, you're clueless.
There's an old saying that gentlemen don't argue about facts, I don't consider us gentlemen, but this is the internet, go to wikipedia or something.

Muslims owning Jerusalem would be the equivalent to Christians owning Mecca and Medina. They have no historical ties to it, so why should they have it?

I don't think anyone here talked about "Muslims owning Jerusalem" (what is owning? and which Muslims?), but that's the worst analogy ever, Mecca and Medina are not Christian holy cities, they were never controlled by Christians and don't have any significant Christian population.

But they all hate Jews regardless. They're surrounded by 300,000 Muslims who want them wiped off the map.

All Muslims hate Jews?
You are just dead wrong, absolutely, categorically and demonstrably wrong.
also, 300,000?
I hope it's a typo, I can't believe you're that clueless.

 

[C4Lukins]

If you are going to make an argument, do not do it with bull shit like this. That is like showing a chart of North and South America, attributing it all to being Pueblo land, and then showing both continents controlled completely by the free masons 50 years later.

 

[speculawyer]

Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa Mosque are built on the Temple Mount which is the holiest site to Jews. The Temple Mount was built 2,300 years before Islam even existed.:lol It also happens to be the holiest site for Judism.

Those two mosques were built ON the holiest Jewish site that had already existed for 2,300 years. If Jews went and built a holy Synagogue somewhere in Mecca, we all know it would've been burned down, long ago. Jews are civilized enough to let Muslims worship there, but those holy sites in there existence are disrespect to Jews(IMO).

A long-winded propaganda-filled admission that you were lying.

 

[C4Lukins]

A long-winded propaganda-filled admission that you were lying.

??? I am trying to stay polite, but if we are going to justify territory based on historical relevance, the Jews do have a stronger claim in that regard.