Agreed, which is why a user coming in and saying "who cares" when some people are discussing while others are overreacting without proper information doesn't help with the problem, rather it might even provoke it because this thread exists since people care about this issue that they believe would be possible when one instance thus far has proven that it doesn't work out the way we thought it would.
A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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Agreed, which is why a user coming in and saying "who cares" when some people are discussing while others are overreacting without proper information doesn't help with the problem, rather it might even provoke it because this thread exists since people care about this issue that they believe would be possible when one instance thus far has proven that it doesn't work out the way we thought it would.
The no evdence was in reference to you insinuating there aren't as many planets as people have been told. Implying it was all smoke and mirrors.
Ah ok I misread your post. Apologies.
Heavy_D206
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The PSN Store page for the game says Single Player
That's all you really need to know. You are getting what is advertised.
That's all you really need to know. You are getting what is advertised.
Inviusx
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The time of day differences in the stream indicate to me that time of day (and probably a lot of other things) are determined locally by an internal timer rather than controlled by a universal server. Therefore 2 players may be physically in the same location but seeing differences based on how things are changing for them locally. I imagine that because so much of the game is handled locally rather than server side it would make syncing up 2 players impossible.
Blackleg-sanji1
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That's better! Not enough curse words thoSorry!! I meant "fucking lying dev scum moneygrabz I knew it!"
GankzyMcfly
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The dev said yes when asked, can you play with your friends...how can you claim everyone is getting what they expected/advertised, the two streamer clearly dont feel that way.
Because the guy wants to be honest, but nobody wants to hear what he has to say.
In very particular circumstances it can happen. How do I know? But it's rare. And it isn't as easy as just showing up at the same place. This is consistent with every quote he's ever had about it, especially when he detailed why. This game never ever said the words "yes, you can meet up with your friends and go on an adventure. In fact, that's what it's designed for!" Those who thought otherwise were mislead by their own misinterpretations, not HG. They need to get over it.
There's also the fact that the servers have been down pretty much since launch.
It's not clear, because he spent two years muddying the water and explaining the multiplayer system, and saying it was "possible but unlikely, so don't think about it as a multiplayer game, but it's possible." The tweet can be read both ways.
If it was so clear, why did so many people think it was in the game?
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Deleted member 47027
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So if there is no way to play with a friend in any way, then why would the dev say you can?
Apparently hard to tell, and especially because the servers seem down right now.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Lol.
PopcornMegaphone
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No one knows. It could be a server issue.
You are not getting what you were advertised when the "advertisement" changes just before release. Pointing out that Steam and PSN say Single Player and how Sean called it a Single Player game mere hours before release after claiming multiplayer functionality for years prior is not the mic drop answer that some in here seem to think it is.
They never said you can play with Freinds, they have been consistent and said that meeting another player was a tiny chance, and the feeling should be the same as journey where there is no real interaction.
Blackleg-sanji1
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This is gonna go down two ways tomorrow. Sean wakes up and does the famous shrug emoji and goes sorry "server issues/bug" or he wakes up clarifying everything about"multiplayer" and what that means for this game if anything at all. Either way shit storm will still continue so it doesn't even matter at this point
CyberPunked
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But planets rotations would differ in both your worlds, as well as every other moving object in the game. The state of everyone's individual instance of the universe is a function of time - like the real world -, and therefore if more time had passed in one person's universe than another, the state of their universes would differ entirely.
Time of day in this game isn't simply a skylight which moves across the skybox.
JayBabay
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Thank you for pointing things like this out. Thank you to anyone who looks at things objectively and allows legitimate discussion to facilitate on issues that may be important to some, not all, people. Now, before coming to conclusions we can wait and see what the devs response to this is. It happens with all games and with all devs. Some of my favorite series have been called out for less offensive crimes. This is why I come here, so I can find the critical stance on issues. I like to give creict where it's due and that's why I'm reserving judgment and any name calling until my conclusions are a matter of fact.
What I see is that Sean has been a very genuine, soft spoken, and caring individual so I give him the benefit of the doubt. However, I dont know him personally and would not blindly defend anyone just based on those criteria. Likewise, I won't say that they have been thoroughly clear and concise when describing the issue of interaction and many others have wondered in what case would you justify someone's constant answer of "it is unlikely" for simply yes or no questions. Why doesn't this come off as dodging the question?
Why is it a big deal? Because I, like some may have taken that elusive stance to imply some grand plan they had and didn't want spoiled. It's like when the question of airships came up for FFXV and people kept wondering "can we fly?" Even after being told yes all the way until reveal of flying. That's based on people's reluctance with taking things Square says at face value because of their experience with them. I have no experience with Hello Games and therefore can have an objective stance rather than a supportive or dismissive stance on this particular issue.
Just by going off of the big press demos on stages I remember the questions after were always it looks great but what is the objective. If he simply said, you're looking at it, it would be case closed but they did have this whole leading on philosophy where the silence to those questions was taken as oh they have something up there sleeve, rather than there's nothing more and they don't want to say it. People have been positive in the outlook during this silence the whole time but now it's crime to say wait a minute, why didn't you just say from the beginning that what were seeing is the basis of the game? You can't complain about the hype getting out of hand when no one was fanning the fire. None of this is a big deal or would stop me from buying it but it's still relevant and worth criticising.
What I see is that Sean has been a very genuine, soft spoken, and caring individual so I give him the benefit of the doubt. However, I dont know him personally and would not blindly defend anyone just based on those criteria. Likewise, I won't say that they have been thoroughly clear and concise when describing the issue of interaction and many others have wondered in what case would you justify someone's constant answer of "it is unlikely" for simply yes or no questions. Why doesn't this come off as dodging the question?
Why is it a big deal? Because I, like some may have taken that elusive stance to imply some grand plan they had and didn't want spoiled. It's like when the question of airships came up for FFXV and people kept wondering "can we fly?" Even after being told yes all the way until reveal of flying. That's based on people's reluctance with taking things Square says at face value because of their experience with them. I have no experience with Hello Games and therefore can have an objective stance rather than a supportive or dismissive stance on this particular issue.
Just by going off of the big press demos on stages I remember the questions after were always it looks great but what is the objective. If he simply said, you're looking at it, it would be case closed but they did have this whole leading on philosophy where the silence to those questions was taken as oh they have something up there sleeve, rather than there's nothing more and they don't want to say it. People have been positive in the outlook during this silence the whole time but now it's crime to say wait a minute, why didn't you just say from the beginning that what were seeing is the basis of the game? You can't complain about the hype getting out of hand when no one was fanning the fire. None of this is a big deal or would stop me from buying it but it's still relevant and worth criticising.
Inviusx
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Especially when HG's streamed for an hour on launch day and had plenty of time to address that tweet.
Pop
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Ignored for pages now.
So two people try to meet up and failed. And now it's definitive proof that no multiplayer exist. Internet acts crazy, does what it always does in these situations. And you wonder why devs or anyone with status hates dealing with people online. People with no stake in the game come in here to shit on it. Disgusting that this is even allowed in the first place.
staticneuron
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It was posted in this thread before. He stated it two years ago.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...ng-of-no-man-s-sky-as-a-multiplayer-game.aspx
depths20XX
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I think that at some point they wanted you to randomly see other players in this game. This was years ago, probably in 2014.
Then they seemed to go with the whole Dark Souls angle, "It's mysterious, you will see remnants of players." Basically you will see planet names. This isn't multiplayer but they still for some reason held up that there was this "slight chance" because the universe was so huge.
Then at the last moment they tried to toss it all aside and say, "Uh hey guys, please don't think of this as multiplayer at all because it's completely single player."
Just really confusing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4x01gb/sean_interview_stating_no_instanced_mp_march_2016/Guys
Then they seemed to go with the whole Dark Souls angle, "It's mysterious, you will see remnants of players." Basically you will see planet names. This isn't multiplayer but they still for some reason held up that there was this "slight chance" because the universe was so huge.
Then at the last moment they tried to toss it all aside and say, "Uh hey guys, please don't think of this as multiplayer at all because it's completely single player."
Just really confusing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoMansSkyTheGame/comments/4x01gb/sean_interview_stating_no_instanced_mp_march_2016/Guys
UncleSporky
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Something tells me you haven't actually watched the video that people keep linking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A
No one said the words "yes, you can meet up with your friends and go on an adventure. In fact, that's what it's designed for!"
But someone said the words "Will you be able to play with your friends?" "Yeah." "Can you grief other players?" "Heh, a little bit."
Call it "designed for that" or not, these are probably the only actual definitive statements made about online multi. Actual "yes," not "oh, mumble mumble, maybe but not really."
It's kind of shameful that you would try to twist the messaging and claim that it's been consistent the whole time when actual evidence like this exists.
Again, this isn't about whether or not it was ever a "focus." It's about the difference between "yes but it'd be incredibly rare" and "no we didn't code in those features at all."
PopcornMegaphone
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old manatee
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There appear to be two seperate defense forces now. One saying that it is a single player game, and one saying that the servers are just down.
I continue to be blown away that the game has already been released and still nobody can say definitively whether or not it is single player or multiplayer. Any way you look at it this is a total failure in terms of managing people's expectations.
I continue to be blown away that the game has already been released and still nobody can say definitively whether or not it is single player or multiplayer. Any way you look at it this is a total failure in terms of managing people's expectations.
It definitely reeks of being a feature they kept scaling back and then finally realizing it won't make release and so they make a point of "clarifying" it as a single player game mere hours before release to cover themselves.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
I mean, the dude that created the game tweeted the other day that this is not a multiplayer game. That's as definitive as you get.
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This is the feeling I'm getting too - which is fine (to me) - just own it and say so. Others will be more upset but the idea that you MIGHT bump into someone is really attractive to me and a lot of others because it's special, and not having it is a shame.
Blackleg-sanji1
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"defense force" needs to be banned word at this point it's so tiring so what are the other side the "attack force"? Sounds equally childish my god
Pop
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Well how do you play with others online if the ONLINE servers are down. Not that hard to comprehend.
watch out for the defense force defense force
staticneuron
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Or you can read my post above which quoted his response from two years ago. He has constantly said this is not an MMO and it is not a multiplayer game. Can you see other players in your instance? Yes. Is it possible for you to encounter a friend? yes. Is the game designed on facilitating that as a core mechanic? NO. Using Journey is a perfect example. It is a similar idea in which it is a single player game yet you can encounter other players.
Its clearly a single player focused game. A lot of what I see is people failing to manage their own expectations, which has been happening since day one for this game.
UncleSporky
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And then immediately after said "your chance of meeting someone else is pretty much zero" instead of simply saying "our network engineers didn't code that feature in."
He ruined what might have been a definitive statement by going back to implications and hinting instead of being like "dudes. We did not program it in as part of the game at this time."
Buying a game for multiplayer that says it's single player on the box and doesn't require PS+ because the online components are so minimal is absurd. The black/white 'does it have multiplayer' mindset is why there's still much confusion about the game. In all the interviews people are pointing to Sean is saying 'yeah, technically you could run into someone but you probably never will and this is by no means a multiplayer game' and people took that to mean that the game has multiplayer components.
So far we have two streamers who showed up at the same place and couldn't see each other. That doesn't. definitively mean it's impossible. It could mean, like Sean has been saying all along, that seeing another human is super rare to the point where you'll probably never experience it.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Does the attack force have a defense force to fight the defense force...
I agree, a simple "We couldn't finish it in time and so it will be in a future patch" would have gone over far better.
Blackleg-sanji1
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God no plz no pr team. By all means get better at explaining but I like tge non or feel of it all. Just learn and get better
depths20XX
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Hey man can you pick me up from the airport? "Uhhh, pretty sure I can."
Using "pretty" as a prefix for anything is just bad news.
AcademicSaucer
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The OT for this game exists for a reason.
Why are still many people assuming this is a lie when it would be so provably false? Isn't it more likely that, like the developers have always maintained, is incredibly rare to meet someone? Like, actually incredibly rare to the point where 'non zero' is as generous as you can be? We have one data point right now.
Permanently A
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Really looking forwards to their response. Love me a good controversy.
Jack Random
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Super rare, except this one time within a day or release?
that's.. you're kidding, right?
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