A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky

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Also, where the HECK is the one screencap a gaffer posted from a gaming magazine that talked about "No Man's Sky ONLINE" coming a while after release. I remember it vaguely mentioning that they plan on making it easy to join your friends WORLDS to play with them. I tried googling but I only get the usual suspect articles "does NMS have MP" and old interviews?

I CAN'T be the only one who remembers the screencap? Well might be cause I vaguely remember it being written in german. If someone has it we can translate it for the rest?
Well damn, you have no idea how much time I spent using Waybackmachine to find that.

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I love all the people claiming they won't buy it now because you MIGHT not be able to see one another. The game has over 18 quintillion planets.

Do any of you even realize how big that is? 18 quintillion is:

18,000,000,000,000,000,000

divide that by a million players all online at the same time and your odds of running into someone are:

1 in 18,000,000,000 Billion

Now, yes, two people seem to have found each other somehow, that doesn't change the fact that up until now it should have been seen as such a REMOTE possibility that buying the game in the hopes it would happen just seems incredibly foolish.

On the other hand, seeing that it is now possible, I can see people getting upset that you can't see one another (apparently), but nothing leading up to this should have given you the impression that you would be playing this game for a few months and probably find someone.
It's not about not buying the game because it doesn't have a certain feature.

It's about not wanting to buy into a lie.

I'm still buying it, but I understand those who are turned off by something like this, where the developer not only lied, but now refuses to tell the truth.
 
Doesnt this mean that you can see each other in game? That's as close to confirmation as you can get.

No. As close to confirmation you can get is "yes, you can see other players in the game". There's nothing stopping him from actually saying that, but he isn't. He's just playing word games which successfully lead to people thinking there's more to what he's saying.
 
Has anybody thought that maybe the multiplayer aspect of the game doesn't actually start until you've been to the centre and started the next galaxy?

I'm not saying this is true in any way but it would explain why Sean is being purposefully vague about it because he doesn't want to ruin the 'big surprise at the middle' he's been banging on about for two years.

Maybe when you enter the second galaxy you start to see ghosts of people in the previous one?

It's a long shot I know
 
Yeah. :P

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Man the internet can be harsh.

He really should have just manned up and said it was single player only. Even if it means he loses a stack of sales. He's basically chosen a cash grab over a lesser cash grab. People were hyped anyway. Now it just looks bad on him.
 
Two people actually met in the exact same spot and could not see each other.

The meeting was surrounded by network problems, No Man's Sky server problems and other things.

but he said two people have already met up in the game. He said that features were added to make it easier to spot players and it has been confirmed that said features do exist in the game. He probably doesnt even know about this thread. I see no reason why people are even questioning him tbh.

And if Im not mistaken didnt a gaffer somewhere in this thread confirm that they met up with someone as well?(although no screenshot was provided)

From the outside looking in, this just seems like a mindless witch hunt, especially when you consider how rare it is to even see someone in the game, which would help explain why many people havent met anyone.

And that's where the thread should've ended.
This:
The found each other the same way you can find other players in The Witcher 3. Mind blowing!

Who the fuck are these people saying "they met but didn't see each other"??

If they hadn't been streaming on twitch to each other, they wouldn't have known they were exploring the same place at all. Neither player got anything but their usual single player experience. Y'all have a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "meet"
 
You're right, the Colbert interview is from 2015. The one I posted was from this year.

That's kind of my problem though. I wish just said something over the year in interviews like an interviewer brings up an older interview and says "You said there will be multiplayer with other people?" and his response would be "Oh we planned for multiplayer, as in meeting other people but, plans changed, although there will be online elements still like I mentioned before."

I feel like none of this would have happened otherwise.
 
but he said two people have already met up in the game.

No. He did not say people met up. He said "Two players finding each other in the first day"

He said that features were added to make it easier to spot players and it has been confirmed that said features do exist in the game.

No. He says there is a scan for players in the galactic map feature. This is not the same as a system that aids in locating a player on the surface of a planet. The function of the galactic map feature that can scan for players is apparently one of the 'easter eggs' or one of the design elements that will allow people to "be aware they are in a shared universe".

He probably doesnt even know about this thread. I see no reason why people are even questioning him tbh.

I'm pretty sure his Twitter is 90% about this very topic.

From the outside looking in, this just seems like a mindless witch hunt, especially when you consider how rare it is to even see someone in the game, which would help explain why many people havent met anyone.

There is nothing mindless about people feeling like they have been mislead and the silence from the devs is deafening.
 
I still can't believe some of you expected a 18 quintillion planets wide MMO.

Also, I'm now totally expecting someone tries to count those planets to expose another "lie"
 
The only issue up for discussion is why we can't see one another in the game at the moment.

That's all Sean has to answer for.

We ARE playing together, with our friends, online, in separate instances within the same galaxy-server. Sean has never lied about that fact. And that falls under the "Online" stickers on the boxes.

Too many of you are inflating this into a bigger issue than it is.

Cherry-picked videos with VG Show Hosts making statements that Sean doesn't immediately debunk does not mean shit.
 
Has anybody thought that maybe the multiplayer aspect of the game doesn't actually start until you've been to the centre and started the next galaxy?

I'm not saying this is true in any way but it would explain why Sean is being purposefully vague about it because he doesn't want to ruin the 'big surprise at the middle' he's been banging on about for two years.

Maybe when you enter the second galaxy you start to see ghosts of people in the previous one?

It's a long shot I know
Could be. We simply don't know. Signs are pointing towards 'no' for now. He could just say something like "Don't worry, it's still there, but needs to be unlocked later on, don't want to spoil the surprise." and get it over with then.

I still can't believe some of you expected a 18 quintillion planets wide MMO.
I haven't seen anyone saying they did. People expected that with a lot of time and planning, they could in the end meet up with someone if they wanted.
 
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I still can't believe some of you expected a 18 quintillion planets wide MMO.
>Lies to customers.
>lol, can't believe you guys believed me.

The only issue up for discussion is why we can't see one another in the game at the moment.

That's all Sean has to answer for.

We ARE playing together, with our friends, online, in separate instances within the same galaxy-server. Sean has never lied about that fact. And that falls under the "Online" stickers on the boxes.

Too many of you are inflating this into a bigger issue than it is.

Cherry-picked videos with VG Show Hosts making statements that Sean doesn't immediately debunk does not mean shit.
Yeah, jeez, everybody knows those cherry-picked videos in which Sean says you can play with other people don't mean you can play with other people.
 
I still can't believe some of you expected a 18 quintillion planets wide MMO.

Also, I'm now totally expecting someone tries to count those planets to expose another "lie"

Doesn't need to be massively online, just 4-8 or so players in the same instance.
 
Lets do this.

Nitpicking: the players are having selective abstraction about a handful of thing of a bast game. Things that would be or not, confirmed later on, not 72 hours of the game release. People wanted a everlasting game and now people want to do everything that the game has to offer in one sit.

Crazy expectations: some people imagine or believe that seen another player would be like a tag team in a FPS maybe that is not the case.

Worlds collide/player idea (imaginary): The developers have an idea, the executed like they thought initially. They clumsy enough talk about this idea and then people start to making assumptions about this idea creating a concept far away from the concept of the developers.

I think that he is not ill intended. I think rather that deceitful (i.e. Blizzard's lot box system) he is clumsy expressing his vision. Again, this is an opinion from a human being, so I can be wrong and the man is a master class con artist.
All that critical players here want is the possibility of seeing other players in the game - no matter how small the chance is. You know, the thing what was talked about multiple times by the developer.

Also, I believe Sean was intentionally obtuse and vague in many interviews to not crush the dreams that players are projecting into the game and leave the idea of MP open to interpretation.

For example, in the interview, which was posted on the last couple of pages, he gets asked about the MP. He first wants to say "it is not a f ... (eature)" but quickly corrects himself and says "no that's not what the game is about". That leaves the door open to players interpreting this as the game not being focussed on MP but still incorporates those features that he talked about in earlier interviews (the very rare occasions of players seeing each other).
 
The only issue up for discussion is why we can't see one another in the game at the moment.

That's all Sean has to answer for.

We ARE playing together, with our friends, online, in separate instances within the same galaxy-server. Sean has never lied about that fact. And that falls under the "Online" stickers on the boxes.

Too many of you are inflating this into a bigger issue than it is.

Cherry-picked videos with VG Show Hosts making statements that Sean doesn't immediately debunk does not mean shit.
He made plenty of his own statements. He said you can only see your character by having another player you encounter show you what they're seeing. That straight up means you were supposed to see each other.
 
I love that 18 quintillion planets thing.

The galaxy you are in does not have 18 quintillion planets.

There is a certain amount of planets in a galaxy out of the maximum possible procedurally generated number of 18 quintillion.

Already on reddit there are 3 other threads about people having found already discovered planets next to their start and trying to contact the players to try a meet up.
 
This is embarrassing. To me the response is the most telling. I hope Sony never works with these lying assholes again

So now he's not just a liar, but he's a lying asshole. How this type of language is allowed on here against a game developer is beyond me. No wonder so few developers post on here any more.
 
We ARE playing together, with our friends, online, in separate instances within the same galaxy-server. Sean has never lied about that fact. And that falls under the "Online" stickers on the boxes.

Too many of you are inflating this into a bigger issue than it is.

What? You have a strange definition of 'playing together'.
 
The only issue up for discussion is why we can't see one another in the game at the moment.

That's all Sean has to answer for.

We ARE playing together, with our friends, online, in separate instances within the same galaxy-server. Sean has never lied about that fact. And that falls under the "Online" stickers on the boxes.

Too many of you are inflating this into a bigger issue than it is.

Cherry-picked videos with VG Show Hosts making statements that Sean doesn't immediately debunk does not mean shit.

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I still can't believe some of you expected a 18 quintillion planets wide MMO.
Let's not act like this 5GB procedural game having multiplayer was farfecteched. You're trying to make it sound like the idea is ridiculous, but the game isn't that hard to understand from it's pretty math.
 
I wasn't even interested in the multiplayer element and I am no longer buying it, lies were told, it's principle.

And if they are willing to lie about that what else have they lied about? How do you know that many planets exist?

Also, there has been numerous interviews in this thread alone on the lead up to this game giving the impression that meeting people is possible, Sean even outright says the only way to find out what you look like is by another player telling you after meeting them.

No matter how remote the possibility of it is/was it still means it was there and now evidence shows it isn't, therefore, he lied.

So you don't buy Ubisoft games? Games that go through clear, unexplained graphical downgrades?

I mean, if you don't, more power to you and I respect that tremendously.

The thing is, we have NO IDEA if this a bug, a server problem, etc. Everyone is just witch hunting and assuming he lied. That is just as unethical as his potential lie and if it turns out to be a bug or something like that, the ones calling him a liar are the only ones that have done anything wrong. A lack of a response from him does not equal guilt.
 
Has anybody thought that maybe the multiplayer aspect of the game doesn't actually start until you've been to the centre and started the next galaxy?

I'm not saying this is true in any way but it would explain why Sean is being purposefully vague about it because he doesn't want to ruin the 'big surprise at the middle' he's been banging on about for two years.

Maybe when you enter the second galaxy you start to see ghosts of people in the previous one?

It's a long shot I know

Could be. We simply don't know. Signs are pointing towards 'no' for now. He could just say something like "Don't worry, it's still there, but needs to be unlocked later on, don't want to spoil the surprise." and get it over with then.


I haven't seen anyone saying they did. People expected that with a lot of time and planning, they could in the end meet up with someone if they wanted.

I just find it a bit odd how much he's been going on about this 'amazing thing' that happens when you get to the centre. The guy that got the game a week early stated that he'd got to the centre, and all that happened was
he had the choice of entering the next galaxy
. I mean for something they've been bigging up as some great event this really doesn't seem to add up.

I think there is a small chance they are purposefully being vague about this to avoid spoiling the entire point of the game for everybody
 
I still can't believe some of you expected a 18 quintillion planets wide MMO.
I don't see anyone in this thread expecting that. We just want to know whether it is possible to see/interact with another player, no matter how unlikely, as suggested in multiple interviews.
 
It's like Sean Murray felt like he could promise whatever regarding multiplayer because the odds he'd be found out were so infinitesimally small, only to end up winning the reverse lottery on the first day.

Is it possible that the universe in NMS isn't as big as they say it is? I mean, the chances of two players running into each other in a universe as big as they say should basically be zero...but it happened within 10 hours of the game releasing? I mean, I guess anything is possible - but is it also possible that it isn't 18 quintillion planets in size?
 
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