OttomanScribe
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Got this today:
Quite pleased.
Now to find myself some aurochs meat!
Quite pleased.
Now to find myself some aurochs meat!
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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It's pretty excellent, isn't it? My wife got it from the library and has decided to suspend her vegetarianism for any recipes in the book. Time for some Beef and Bacon pie.
Regarding Littlefinger dying... He can't. He's the real hero of the books -- or at least he would be if he weren't a (figurative) bastard. Comes from nothing, has no magic or dragons or martial skills, and yet is still a total badass.
Got this today:
Quite pleased.
Now to find myself some aurochs meat!
When can we expect pictures of lamprey pie?
Do it
viciouskillersquirrel
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Buffalo is a good substitute. Aurochs are the ancestral form of cattle.Got this today:
Quite pleased.
Now to find myself some aurochs meat!
I just realized that we are about to get four fucking seasons of Daario on the Game of Thrones tv show. I'm pretty sure he's already been cast for season 3, so we know Dany at least gets to Yunkai.
Now hopefully he won't be too awful in Seasons 3 and 4 (I don't remember him being a huge annoyance in ASOS), but once they're adapting ADWD, we're going to have to tolerate his shit. Unlike the books, you can't just gloss over a scene in a tv show when you're watching it live.
This is really going to suck in two years.
Now hopefully he won't be too awful in Seasons 3 and 4 (I don't remember him being a huge annoyance in ASOS), but once they're adapting ADWD, we're going to have to tolerate his shit. Unlike the books, you can't just gloss over a scene in a tv show when you're watching it live.
This is really going to suck in two years.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I don't think he has.
Since I read all 5 books back to back in a 2 month span one summer it was easy to forget what book I was on so at the time I saw Kevan as a new POV...until
The others looming has always been interesting tone wise but I find them way less interesting than basically any other plot line in the series.
Since I read all 5 books back to back in a 2 month span one summer it was easy to forget what book I was on so at the time I saw Kevan as a new POV...until
Turn that frown upside down! We finally got rid of Pycelle. So, it was worth Kevan's sacrifice.
Basileus777
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Now you need to factor in all the ways the showrunners will spice up thst relationship. We'll be wishing the richest man in Qarth was still round.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
I just want to see Ramsay dead. Dude's worse than Joffrey.
Hopefully Stannis puts him down with Lightbringer. That would be some good shit.
Roose also needs to pay for basically ruining Robb's campaign. Remember Duskendale!
Basileus777
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Roose put his sword through Robb's chest and killed him, but Duskendale is what gets you?
Well Duskendale was the beginning of the end. I guess Roose was directly responsible for the end of the end as well, but I associate Walder Frey more with the RW.
I've often imagined a series in which Robb and his men managed to defeat their betrayers at the Twins, with Robb taking an arrow wound, but surviving. His tattered forces would then head north to meet Howland Reed, where they would circle around and take back Moat Cailin. Tywin, overconfident and overhasty after gaining the Tyrell alliance, would launch a direct assault on the North and get completely crushed.
I know that would be more of a standard, cliched fantasy plot-line, but I'd love to travel to an alternate universe where that series existed.
The same series where Ned is spirited away from the Red Keep moments before his execution thanks to a "mysterious benefactor", after which he is shipped to Eastwatch By the Sea, eventually reuniting with Jon on the Wall and helping lead the expedition to find Benjen and learn all the secrets of how to stop the WW's?
Basileus777
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Isn't this exactly what happened with Aegon? You need to go farther if you want to present an impossible scenario!
Roland Deschain
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Hate to even ask but is there an ETA for Winds?
Memento Mori
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GRRM thinks it will be released in 2014. Bare in mind he claimed in 2005 Dance with Dragons would be released in 2006 and it took another five years.
he didnt have hbo holding a gun to his head back then.
Basileus777
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GRRM says 2014 may be possible. Don't expect it before Fall 2015 at the earliest.
PhoenixDark
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http://grrm.livejournal.com/288788.html
Sounds like he's working on the Elio & Linda book, although I'm curious whether he could be referring to the map book as well; I'd imagine that book will include descriptions/history of locations
I can't wait for the Elio & Linda world book, everything hinted and teased at thus far sounds amazing.
He confirms it's the world book in the comments.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Why yes, George, I do like fake history.
Cpt.Underpants
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Just a question that came to mind out of the blue:
Does the Kingdom of Westeros need to unite in order to fight the incoming threat of the White Walkers?
Is the White Walker threat a bigger issue than the current quarrels of the Seven Kingdoms?
Does the Kingdom of Westeros need to unite in order to fight the incoming threat of the White Walkers?
Is the White Walker threat a bigger issue than the current quarrels of the Seven Kingdoms?
cubicle47b
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With thousands of freefolk from beyond the Wall already slaughtered and turned into Wights, an unknown amount of White Walkers and a (possible) huge amount of undead creatures (bears, wolves, etc) - yes, Westeros is completely fucked if it doesn't focus all resources on this. It's exactly what GRRM teases about (I think) when he said the series will end with a cloud of snow or ashes.
Cpt.Underpants
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I see, its just hard to imagine GRRM writing the whole lot in just two books (Winds of Winder and A Dream of Spring) even if he tries to split the books in two like Storm of Swords. The scale of it, its enormous. Battles, characters, events and whatnot
I was hoping he couldn't just stop at A Dream of Spring even though he hasn't really confirmed it, maybe just another two more books to end ASOIF.
Please
Really hyped for TWOW even though its early
-Pyromaniac-
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Jon Snow is going to become king and then do an aragorn speech like in return of the king and they'll all win in the end.
Everyone smiles and lives a happy life.
Everyone smiles and lives a happy life.
pr0cs
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we are talking GRRM aren't we?
I bought the Dunk and Egg stories for Kindle and Google play (two different platforms to try and save a few bucks). Man they're great stories and a reminder at how far away TWOW feels like.
In the afterlife, right? Because they'll all die a gruesome death.
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PhoenixDark
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I never get the Cersei hate in AFFC. Her chapters are amazing, and in hindsight are even more interesting now that ADWD is out. Both books, which at one time were one, feature a lot of thematic focus on leadership. In both books we're presented with the reign of Cersei, Jon Snow, and Dany - and each of which fails to varying degrees.
Her chapters were interesting in the sense that it was like watching a trainwreck being able to read her thoughts and see first hand what a terrible "ruler" she was.
The good rulers are supposed to die so the two at least have that going for them, they both suck.
Bingo. She's a complete disaster, which makes her chapters fun to read.
They didn't fair much better. Cersei had to do the walk of shame and she's never going to rule again. Dany was all but kicked out of the city.
PhoenixDark
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I don't think Dany was too generous, per se. She essentially crash landed into a completely new society/culture and refused to respect or acknowledge many of their laws. Banning slavery made sense from a moral perspective, but was carried out so idealistically that it became a bloody mess to implement. Similarly she refused to re-open the fighting pits for no decent reason, which earned her even more resentment.
In terms of Jon, he willingly surrounded himself with dissenters by sending all his friends away, and didn't seem to articulate his Wildling plan well enough. And of course he blatantly broke his vows towards the end, which was the final straw.
Cersei simply ruined everything she touched. She seemed somewhat competent in the first three books, at least to a certain degree (lol), yet completely lost it after Joffery's death. I don't believe the ACOK/early ASOS Cersei would have let Taena Merryweather get so close to her for instance, given her Tyrell connections. Interestingly we won't know just how much Cersei fucked up for awhile. Was Dragonstone really taken? Where did Waters take her newly built fleet? Will Merryweather come forward as a witness during the upcoming trials? etc. She is sooo boned lol
The fighting pits are backed by the same moral logic that she had in banning slavery: They were basically making people fight to the death for entertainment. Even if some were willing, I'm guessing many were not or had to resort to it through desperation.
This wasn't actually dumb. The alternative was to send them away to other castles, where they could disobey him at their leisure. He needed people who'd listen to man those walls. His problem, in my opinion, is that he followed Ned's advice and stopped being a friend to his people, so they began to view him coldly. We know he respected Bowen because we're in his head, but Bowen just thought he was an asshole through and through. And remember that the main reason he failed is because he could not convince the watch to not be racist towards the Wildlings.
Yeah, Cersei sucked beyond all hope.
Yeah Cersei in AFFC is sort of, I dunno, frustrating? Like I read her chapters and I go, what was her end game when she conspired to kill Robert? Was it simply to raise Joffrey to king?
It felt like she had all these plans and schemes and then we get to book 4 and suddenly she's just mind bogglingly incompetent.
Keep in mind that Cersei's delusions went deep. Even if she seemed passingly competent before AFFC, she thought that Joffrey was a perfectly reasonable boy. "Robert beat him over some silliness with a cat." she said spitefully at one time. That 'silliness' was him cutting open the stomach of a pregnant cat and taking out the fetus' to show Robert.
Basileus777
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Maggie the Frog was an awful plot device, and the way GRRM handled all of that was very clumsy.
I think the difference between Cersei in the first three books compared with the later two can be attributed to a combination of grief, arrogance, the opportunity to finally rule without opposition, and the fact that the main players (Varys, Littlefinger) weren't directly working against her during Robert's/Joffrey's reign.
We should also consider that her son and father died.
I liked it if for no other reason than that it added another dimension to Cersei, though it possibly removed the last shred of her humanity.
She loved her children. That was her only positive quality. Now you find out about the prophecy and it's possible to interpret that the only reason she cares for them is because her well being depends on theirs. If they die, then she dies, so she wants to protect them.
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