Summary Man
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Yeah, but I imagine most people would prefer reading the ending as opposed to watching it. In any case, I was half-joking with my idea anyway.
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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Yeah, but I imagine most people would prefer reading the ending as opposed to watching it. In any case, I was half-joking with my idea anyway.
If HBO keeps splitting the books in half GRRM has about seven years to finish up the entire bitch. I suppose HBO could stretch the books even further without much problem. I'd say it's much less likely that the show would last that long.
The most recent High Septon.
So in other words, they have tons of people who likely can tell its an assassination.
The way to go, clearly, is to have GRRM leave a letter in a safe to be opened in case something terrible/tragic happens.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Martin's said in the past that if he dies there'll be no ending, but I think if he legitimately saw the end coming and his life's work was going to go unresolved, he might think about going the Robert Jordan route. I think he's just offended that people straight up send him mail that says, "can you just write faster because you're fat and old."
If this video is correct, I take back alot of my criticism of the writers in season 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTVnZm9hFg
Basically Talisa in on a conspiracy to get Robb to lose the Freys/lose the war. Wrapping up Jeyne Westerling and her mother Sybil Spicer into one character.
On top of this all during the initial casting leaks she was listed as TALISA LANNISTER.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsTVnZm9hFg
Basically Talisa in on a conspiracy to get Robb to lose the Freys/lose the war. Wrapping up Jeyne Westerling and her mother Sybil Spicer into one character.
On top of this all during the initial casting leaks she was listed as TALISA LANNISTER.
That seems like a pretty simplistic reading of what Tywin says. Disappointed parents declaring "you're not son of mine" are pretty much a cliche at this point, and Tywin in particular hates seeing so much of himself in this deformed dwarf, and wishes that Tyrion weren't his son. I really don't think any of his attempts to claim Tyrion isn't his can be taken seriously. Tyrion as a Targ would pretty heavily undermine his character, I think.
I agree that it isn't something to be automatically taken as an accusation on Tywin's part, but that if it came to light that Tyrion is a Targ, it would be one of, quite frankly, a ton of details put into a new light. I'm not sure if Tyrion is a Targ, but it does feel intentional at this point that GRRM wants people to wonder. Whether that goes anywhere or not is a different matter entirely.
Personally, I think the dramatic irony from the twins being Targ would be much more delicious, even if it's less supported. I'd also say that Tyrion having Targ blood is of little consequence to things in general, and I have doubts that the narrative would gain more than it loses from it. Still, there does seem to be a very real chance that GRRM is moving in that direction.
Basileus777
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Tyrion being a Targ would undermine a lot of character development and make his relationship with Tywin a lot less interesting. I really hope it doesn't happen.
GRRM has already gone way overboard with the false identities, I'd be happy if no one but Jon had a surprise heritage. I don't expect that to happen though.
GRRM has already gone way overboard with the false identities, I'd be happy if no one but Jon had a surprise heritage. I don't expect that to happen though.
It actually does not surprise me that the character resembling the pope in ASOIAF resembles the pope. :lol
"The dragon has 3 heads" = Daenerys, Jon and Aegon. All the pieces are already placed on the board, me thinks.
nelsonroyale
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I wouldn't say that was better writing...frankly it is more believable that he falls for the girl (he is young afterall) and they have an ill-fated romance or, as in the original situation, she was innocent of the manipulations, than her being some devious schemer herself.
At the end of Storm of Swords, Lyssa tells Sansa that Baelish had impregnated her when he thought he deflowered Cat.
What the hell happened to the kid? Do we know, or did GRR leave that thread open? I don't remember anything about Baelish after he kills her and becomes Lord Protector of the Vale except he does some courtly scheming...
edit: oops. aborted.
What the hell happened to the kid? Do we know, or did GRR leave that thread open? I don't remember anything about Baelish after he kills her and becomes Lord Protector of the Vale except he does some courtly scheming...
edit: oops. aborted.
Question about the popular fan theory about
If this were true,
And while I grant that
Jon being the Prince that was Promised/Son of Ned's sister and Rhaegar.
how does one explain that Jon's hand was burned by the fire in Mormont's room? Aren't Targaryen's supposed to be immune to fire?
Viserys is said not to be The Dragon since he's killed by the gold, it was also molten metal, and not technically flame, like the fire which touched Dany.
unmarked spoilers, brah. leave it fly free.
yeah the business about Targaryens being super human is kind of messy. dunno how much stock to put by it.
yeah the business about Targaryens being super human is kind of messy. dunno how much stock to put by it.
Martin's website finally got redesigned:
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/
I'm going to miss the old one.
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/
I'm going to miss the old one.
End of an era.
Basileus777
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I think they wrote about this in the Book of Revelations.
Trojita
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lol I just showed his website to a coworker last week.
About the Tarygaryen's, Martin has stated that both her not getting burned and the dragon's hatching were once in a lifetime events.
But wasn't she struck by Drogon's breath like, directly into face in ADWD? I'm pretty sure it was even described that her hair was burning and all.
Shame about the site, damn man, damn.
chaostrophy
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NO GEORGE! NOOOOOO!
He should've stayed Web 1.0 forever, I'm a broken man.
At least his Not a Blog is still on Livejournal though.
But what about the geocity-esque layout? What about the dancing baby gif? Curse you Martin!
mocolostrocolos
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Can someone explain me how is possible that Bran ate those two fuckers and not Hodor?
Hodor has more meat.
Hodor has more meat.
6 months? Very optimistic.
This is the second time someone has said this. The entire first book implies that she's unharmed by heat, and then in ADWD she takes dragon fire to the face. Where is this Martin quote?
Granny Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?
George_RR_Martin Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.
Revanshe So she won't be able to do it again?
George_RR_Martin Probably not.
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He doesn't rule out the possibility of her doing it again, of course; this was before DWD.
Targaryens clearly aren't immune to fire. Dany has been shown repeatedly to clearly be.
The last bastion of Web 1.0 is dead. Lets take a minute to reflect on that.
Twice, with one being mentioned by the author himself for over a decade that it would be a special one-time event. It's not something that gets drilled into the fanbase.
"God's Beard!"
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You mean the first time we meet her, her going into the over-heated bath wasn't foreshadowing?
BertramCooper
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The first book repeatedly drills in the idea that Dany isn't harmed by fire.
It's mentioned in the beginning with her baths being hotter than most can tolerate. She is capable of touching the eggs as they have sat on burning coals. When Viserys is killed it is said that fire cannot harm the dragon, alluding to the idea that Dany is the true "Dragon", and Viserys is not. This all before the funeral pyre, and before ADWD.
Hmm, I guess it's been too long since I read GoT; I don't remember most of those other details. I'll take your word for it.
blainethemono
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I don't think the bath scene was in the book, nor was the scene with her putting the eggs in the brazier and her handmaiden getting burned. I'm pretty sure those were both added for the show. In the book she just likes to hold the eggs at night because she feels heat emanating from them and can sense something inside the stone or some shit. I don't think she puts any eggs in a brazier until the ending
Also, from ADWD:
edit - just checked, the bath scene was in the book. I don't think it's really anything special though. She just likes to take really hot baths
John Dunbar
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How does Dany's hands being burned at the end of ADWD fit into her being immune to fire? Fire/heat resistant she may be, but I doubt she's immune.
Just read the second paragraph of the last Dany chapter:
"...The rocks had scraped her hands raw. They are better than they were, though, she decided as she picked at a broken blister. Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms, but her burns were healing."
edit: beaten by blaine. but yeah, i agree that the TV show has probably made the book Dany seem more resistant to fire than she really is. I don't really understand how the dragon pit scene played out, though. Getting your hair burned by a blast of fire with no (as far as I can tell) damage to the scalp seems rather unlikely.
Just read the second paragraph of the last Dany chapter:
"...The rocks had scraped her hands raw. They are better than they were, though, she decided as she picked at a broken blister. Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms, but her burns were healing."
edit: beaten by blaine. but yeah, i agree that the TV show has probably made the book Dany seem more resistant to fire than she really is. I don't really understand how the dragon pit scene played out, though. Getting your hair burned by a blast of fire with no (as far as I can tell) damage to the scalp seems rather unlikely.
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