Hahahahahaha GOT S3 thread... all going crazy about Jamie getting his hand chopped of and they all go "The North remembers".
Oh my god.
When Red W hits... Im bringing my popcorns and gifs.
Aw man, I'm in the UK so I'll have to remember that it's before it's shown over here, definitely gonna have my eye on that thread!!!
Just read the chapter with Ned and Varys in the dungeon, that's a good chapter, a bit like the one with Ned and Cersei where it's a pretty honest discussion (I know it's never fully honest whenever Varys is involved).
I wonder if Ned ever actually wrote that letter he wanted Varys to get out.
What's with GRRM and fake deaths / cutting away at the last second before 'death'? As the books continue he really starts to overuse this...
I doubt it, it was pitch black down there. Surely by now it would've come to light if he'd written anything.
Maybe, I liked how honest he was when he said that if Ned did write something he'd read it and then decide what he was going to do with it depending on how it helped him or not. Pretty funny.Unless Varys is sitting on it, but yeah I don't think it was ever written.
Hahahahahaha GOT S3 thread... all going crazy about Jamie getting his hand chopped of and they all go "The North remembers".
Oh my god.
When Red W hits... Im bringing my popcorns and gifs.
I think unconsummated marriages are considered practically void in Westeros based on what Tyrion was saying about it in ASOS such that she could re-marry without issues. Sansa obviously would have no claim to Casterly Rock anyways; even assuming Tyrion had a claim, he's alive. If he managed to get a pardon or something, I'm not sure whether Lordship of Casterly Rock would pass to him. Tywin implied otherwise, but I never got the impression that being the Lord of a particular house was something you could switch around (e.g. Randyll Tarly had to force Samwell to take the Black to prevent him from becoming Lord of Horn Hill over his brother).Littlefinger's authority in the Riverlands is purely nominal, it was just the means to get a title high enough for him to marry Lysa Arryn. And Sansa has no claim to Casterly Rock, an unconsummated marriage with no children is nothing at all. So he has a tenuous grasp over the Vale and holds a potential heir to the North, he's got a ways to go.
I think unconsummated marriages are considered practically void in Westeros based on what Tyrion was saying about it in ASOS such that she could re-marry without issues. Sansa obviously would have no claim to Casterly Rock anyways; even assuming Tyrion had a claim, he's alive. If he managed to get a pardon or something, I'm not sure whether Lordship of Casterly Rock would pass to him. Tywin implied otherwise, but I never got the impression that being the Lord of a particular house was something you could switch around (e.g. Randyll Tarly had to force Samwell to take the Black to prevent him from becoming Lord of Horn Hill over his brother).
Figured I'd ask this here, instead of creating more black barred posts in the show thread. What do you guys think the writers will do about the end of Tyrion's arc in ASOS (which I'm assuming will occur next season)? He's quite a beloved character thus far and I'm curious how TV audiences will feel about him killing Shae and his father. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the writers changed things to make it more sympathetic, such as Tyrion accidentally killing Shae, or shooting Tywin after he lunges at him with a sword. Both of which seem like crappy changes so I hope I'm wrong.
The Red Wedding is in ep9 this season and we don't know whether Joff's wedding is in ep10 or moved to next season, which would make sense. Seems like S4 would be the wedding (perhaps the premier ep would include it), Tyrion's trial, killing Shae/Tywin...and then him escaping King's Landing. The natural end would be for Tyrion to realize he's being sent to meet Dany in the S4 finale. And of course new viewers will be disappointed when S5 doesn't include any such thing lmao.
All aboard the Howland Train! AHWOOOOO
The Joffrey wedding will probably be like episode 4 or 5 next season. They have to cover quite a bit of ground between both weddings. Episode 10 this season will be the aftermath. It will set up the Boltons as the bastards they are and it should contain the aftermath of Jon climbing the wall.The Red Wedding is in ep9 this season and we don't know whether Joff's wedding is in ep10 or moved to next season, which would make sense. Seems like S4 would be the wedding (perhaps the premier ep would include it), Tyrion's trial, killing Shae/Tywin...and then him escaping King's Landing. The natural end would be for Tyrion to realize he's being sent to meet Dany in the S4 finale. And of course new viewers will be disappointed when S5 doesn't include any such thing lmao.
The trial should be enough to make her completely unlikeable.You could have Shae talking bad about Tyrion to Tywin, making it seem less scummy to kill her. Maybe even have her insult Tysha, to get him riled up, and have that lead up into a brief conversation with Tywin.
The trial should be enough to make her completely unlikeable.
I can't recall exactly, but shouldn't she already have the necklace by now? I don't remember seeing it in the show which might mean they are going to go in a different direction.
Just got caught up on last weeks show and the Blackfish is great (never occurred to me while reading the books, but basically everyone who is either super young or super old is pretty awesome and everyone else is dumb). I was bummed we didn't see Reek, but looks like we are getting a different version of a mindfuck.
Howland Reed is the most baddass character of the books without needing to appear one single time. But he must be played by James Olmos. It is known.
We don't even know what he looks like!
He will look baddass!
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See? Baddass!
I can't see him doing a good English accent though.
What's with GRRM and fake deaths / cutting away at the last second before 'death'? As the books continue he really starts to overuse this...
But the Hound is alive.
Nah I dont buy the whole split personality thing that THE HOUND part of Clegane is dead. Thats dumb as hell.
Reek took months, if not a year of psychological torture. Why would you expect Reek so early?
We don't even know what he looks like!
Jojen and Meera speak it fineThose marsh-men simply speak English oddly.
I meant the part where Bolton's Bastard takes on Reek's identity and then becomes Theon's kind of advisor, not Theon's transformation that happens later. I was disappointed the show didn't have that part because I felt it made the end of last season more confusing than need be and the way Theon was manipulated (particularly with the boys from the mill) made him a more tragic character.
Show Shae is a different character with different origins, they'd have to handle that entirely differently because it would be out of character for her to abandon Tyrion for jewels. And even in the books, Tyrion just comes across as a murderous fool. He's a john that convinced himself he was in love with a prostitute, and then killed her because she was sleeping with another man. Tyrion shouldn't come across as sympathetic, it's not an act deserving of sympathy.
Id have killed the bitch for her performance in the trial as well, i see Tyrion's killing of his old man and Shae as revenge killings for being betrayed rather than him being a murderous fool.
Then what was the point of the Septon telling the story where he metaphorically died?
The metaphor falls apart for me when he describes burying his physical body. He says something like - "I Buried him and put rocks on him to ensure the worms wouldn't eat his flesh" Having the Septon have characteristics like him seems like misdirection to me.
I of course could be wrong.
There's also the thing about how the Elder Brother seems to know an impossibly detailed amount about Clegane, more than he ever would have been able to know without speaking to the man for a long time. And the gravedigger on the hill being a cripple who is fond of dogs. And the hound's horse being in the stables. He's definitely alive
I'd be okay with never seeing the Hound again, it felt like a fitting conclusion for him to have metaphorically died and Sandor finds peace living a quiet life in the middle of nowhere.
Although it would be great to see him champion the faith versus undead Gregor championing Cersei, I don't see it happening; it flies in the face of the above.
As for the TV show,
Tywin (or Cersei) will order Shae's death and that will be another motivator in Tyrion killing his dad. They just haven't set it up in a way that it would be believable for him to kill her unless something drastic happens. Not that I want it to go this way but that's what it feels like
I really don't think that makes a lot of sense in terms of Tyrion's story arc. The fact that they went out of their way to keep the "any more whores" I find line from Tywin makes me think they're going to keep it the way it is in the books for effect.I'd be okay with never seeing the Hound again, it felt like a fitting conclusion for him to have metaphorically died and Sandor finds peace living a quiet life in the middle of nowhere.
Although it would be great to see him champion the faith versus undead Gregor championing Cersei, I don't see it happening; it flies in the face of the above.
As for the TV show,
Tywin (or Cersei) will order Shae's death and that will be another motivator in Tyrion killing his dad. They just haven't set it up in a way that it would be believable for him to kill her unless something drastic happens. Not that I want it to go this way but that's what it feels like
I thought they were setting her up to be a crazy jealous type on the show with how she reacted to him saying Sansa was pretty. When he ends up being forced to marry Sansa, I figure show Shae wont believe that he's being forced into it, will go nuts with jealousy and betray him at the trial except with much more malice than in the book, with everything else staying as is (she fucks Tywin, Tyrion kills them both.)
I hope your right but the way they wrote Shae through the first two seasons makes it hard to believe she'd flip a switch into traitorous backstabber.
If you could read one chapter from another characters POV what would it be?
I'd love to see what Tywin was thinking when Tyrion appeared in his bed chamber and killed him, his thoughts about Tyrion's innocence or not and what he thought of Joffrey etc.
I think it'd be fascinating!