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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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There is no reason to change it. They've hinted at it enough. The outcome would be exactly what people expect too and its the sort of closure they need.
It will happen in S4, but they should have him on his way to Dany by the end.
User 85168
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I read once that it's due to him writing for TV a while back. Episodes need something to hold the viewers to the next one.
Steelyuhas
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Based on early season 3, I think that's the seed they're planting.
Hodor as Bran wargs into him
Why not just normal Hodor? What a fun chapter what would be!
Jack Scofield
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Took the words right out of my mouth. It would be incredibly dumb for Sandor to go through this major change and find peace only to fight again. Seems so fan-servicey.
Just let Sandor peacefully live the rest of his days on the Quiet Isle without being bothered by anyone.
electroshockwave
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I think its just more likely she'll straight up betray him in an even more duplicitous manner.
But then they could have a conversation inside Hodor's head. How funny would that be?
PhoenixDark
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Shae might be kind of a problem, but there's absolutely no need to change Tywin's part of it at all. The verbal smackdown he put on Tyrion in S3E1 and Tyrion's expression as he left are all the setup they need. The trial and everything else will be bonus.
My money is on S4E2 for Joffrey's death, since it's the one GRRM is writing.
Littlefinger, don't try anything now
PairOfFilthySocks
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Littlefinger's gonna go full-on creepy rapey asshole, I can sense it.
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Surely it wouldn't be that early? Although it woud be a really great way to screw with audience expectations.
Cpt.Underpants
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"And yes, that means he's read parts of book six, The Winds of Winter — including a Sansa chapter that is sure to be controversial."
Throwing my bet, Littlefinger takes Sansa's maidenhood
Though TWOW will take another 2-3 years to finish yeah?
Throwing my bet, Littlefinger takes Sansa's maidenhood
Though TWOW will take another 2-3 years to finish yeah?
bodyofanamerican
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I'm gonna go ahead and say the Sansa thing is something SHE does to Littlefinger. Starts asserting herself more in the game, but in a stronger way then people might expect.
Get ready everybody! (in 3 years)
timetokill
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It's gonna be a hot sex scene where Littlefinger is banging Sansa, but then yells out Cat's name at climax.
Sansa then schemes to cut off his littlefinger.
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Sansa then schemes to cut off his littlefinger.
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I already called this pages ago, but I think it would be a bad move by Sansa, she hasn't learned enough yet to really play the game solo.
timetokill
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It would take some rapid character advancement to suggest she could play it solo. But I don't think that she'd do it immediately. If anything she knows how to sit and stew in a bad situation for a long time. Maybe she can use that to her advantage and kill LF at the end of the book, once she marries him and gets his land/titles or whatever.
Nah at the climax he shouts Catelyn then Sansa stabs him in chest
Rheagar or Lyanna to finally find out what the hell happened between tournament and battle of trident.
:lol
I honestly forgot why did Littlefinger ordered Lisa to poison her husband ? I jumped to books after S1 as well and had it ingrained in me that Lannisters did it, so that scene was a pretty big shock.
I think its due to the fact that Jon Arryn was going to reveal to Robert that Cersei's kids weren't his, and he flat out didn't want it done, since it would add to much unpredictability to his scheme. One example of repercussions to his scheme, it would pull the Reach out of his pocket, since Robert would likely have just married Margaery soon after, making it so the Tyrell didn't have to work with Littlefinger at all.
SANSA RAPES LITTLEFINGER
PhoenixDark
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Wouldn't Sansa's maidenhood be valuable to Littlefinger though? It's a bargaining chip not just for Harry the Heir, but perhaps even for Aegon if the Harry thing doesn't work out; say if Harry lead some attack against the mountain clansman and conveniently died, allowing LF to seek a better alliance.Perhaps LF decides to have Sansa taught the ways of lovemaking or some shit like that lol.
Or...what if she kills Sweet Robin?
Or...what if she kills Sweet Robin?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
As Cersei noted, though, many highborn ladies (including Sansa) would be unlikely to even have an, erm, maidenhead in the first place. I don't think it makes a ton of sense that Littlefinger would just come have sex with her now, anyways. It doesn't really fit with what he's dong and what he's apparently planning.
Came to post that line...
It really could mean anything though. Sansa's situation is prime for more scandalous shit to go down. Maybe she smothers Robert with a pillow when he slips into her bed one last time.
Good point, perhaps she helps finish him off. Would fit the bill
timetokill
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It's gonna be funny when Sansa and Arya reunite, and can finally find some common ground with each other by talking about the people they've killed.
electroshockwave
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Arya's going to kill Sansa for betraying Ned.
Morrigan Stark
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They made TV-Tyrion a lot less scumbaggy than he was in the book (pre-trial even), though, so I don't see how that would work. Maybe the jealousy angle but I find it trite and not very believable.
Interesting. I don't agree that it's gonna be Littlefinger raping Sansa, though, for the same reasons you wrote. Her smothering SweetRobin in his sleep is more believable. xD
Now this one innocuous statement about one chapter will make fans speculate for 2-3-4 years. Yay! xD
Kadayi
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Zombie Lysa confirmed.
Send the Ravens at the fist, he didn't in the show
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
They have lilke 15 episodes to make Shae more duplicitous.
Basileus777
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They've already made her more sympathetic and more of a developed character than she was in the books, where she never advanced beyond whore who wants jewels. The show actually makes it seem like there is some affection between the two that exists beyond Tyrion's delusions. Murdering her is going to come off worse than it was in the books even if they start making her more duplicitous.
Huh, I haven't watched the show and didn't realize they were doing plot difference like that (well some, but I heard they were minor maybe).
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Its wild mass guessing about an event that requires practically a doubling of the series current length to occur and absolutely no changes in characterization at all over the course of 16 straight episodes. It's actually kind of silly.
Basileus777
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I don't think you know what wild mass guessing is.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I really don't see how the apparent underlying point (which is, from what I can tell, that Tyrion can't possibly intentionally murder Shae as she's portrayed in the show) is something other than just a wild guess because it makes a large number of assumptions about what's contained in the 15 episodes between this one and that one. I don't think its really an informed prediction to claim something 16 episodes down the line will most assuredly occur in some specific way based on events that occurred in those episodes more than a year prior. Its just making a series of assumptions that they can't possibly make her less sympathetic AND Tyrion is incapable of being portrayed on TV as a huge dick.
Basileus777
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Good thing that never happened then. I certainly never spoke in terms of certainties.
What is this even arguing against? I was saying that Tyrion would come across as a dick, and that it would be fine because it happened that way in the books too.
The boldest claim I've made is that if Tyrion kills her in the same way as in the books it will come off worse because he has more of a real relationship with Shae than in the books. You're inventing the claims of certainty.
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