Ignatz Mouse
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It was a throwaway line, "Robb gets killed next ep, lolz" approximately.
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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It was a throwaway line, "Robb gets killed next ep, lolz" approximately.
Duane Cunningham
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Oh hell, he was in KC over the weekend? Damn, I had no idea! I would've gone downtown for that!
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I have to admit I once had a nightmare about drunk posting some stupid shit and finding my GAF account perm'd like that.
Still, that should draw a good year long ban, to be honest.
Still, that should draw a good year long ban, to be honest.
There's no cure for being a cunt. Perma-ban I say.
One of the mods promised 6 months for spoilers previously. Though given the scope of the spoiler he deserves more.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I think that's probably for like inadvertent ones though. Purposefully ruining the show should be a perm in my opinion. Honestly, there's very little you can do over a forum that fucks with people on any serious level since its just words, but that's kind of the one asshole thing you can do to fuck people over.
What was it that Sean Bean said? Was it a while ago during season one or two?
Those word counts bode well for progress on TWOW, in that it will go a lot more quickly than people expect.
Would be pretttyyyyyyy hard for him to have said anything in Season 2...
Here's the scene of the last time Eddard and Jon talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OgXT4-SMwI. Not exactly conclusive.
Choke on the Magic
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I don't buy the J.T. theory. GRRM hates the Starks. He's dead.
Here's what Sean Bean said. Using spoiler tags since technically it spoils unreleased books:
Q: But he is calculating, in at least one matter: Jon Snows parentage. When it comes to Jon Snows mother, Ned is extremely tight-lipped, save for his one terse comment to King Robert. The fandom is teeming with theories that Jon isnt Neds bastard at all.
A: Thats another twist [to come]. Its a great conundrum. Who do you think it is?
Q: My moneys on the mother being Neds dead sister and the father being Rhaegar Targaryen. If Ned swore to protect his dead sisters son from his own best friend, the best way of doing that would have been to claim him as his own and take him in.
A: Ned really knows who [Jons parents are], but he cant let on. Thats why its such a moving moment, those poignant scenes I have with Kit Harington [who plays Jon], because I couldnt say what I really thought. There are so many things I could have said, because there is a love there between the two of them, but I cant express it as overtly as I can with the other children, who I can hold and kiss. Even if I were his true father, I cant talk about it for fear of offending my wife, whos really bitter about this. So its really a cruel situation. Through no fault of his own, Ned took on a lot by taking Jon in.
A: Thats another twist [to come]. Its a great conundrum. Who do you think it is?
Q: My moneys on the mother being Neds dead sister and the father being Rhaegar Targaryen. If Ned swore to protect his dead sisters son from his own best friend, the best way of doing that would have been to claim him as his own and take him in.
A: Ned really knows who [Jons parents are], but he cant let on. Thats why its such a moving moment, those poignant scenes I have with Kit Harington [who plays Jon], because I couldnt say what I really thought. There are so many things I could have said, because there is a love there between the two of them, but I cant express it as overtly as I can with the other children, who I can hold and kiss. Even if I were his true father, I cant talk about it for fear of offending my wife, whos really bitter about this. So its really a cruel situation. Through no fault of his own, Ned took on a lot by taking Jon in.
http://www.vulture.com/2011/06/sean_bean_on_whats_next_for_ga.html
Death not being confirmed by a POV = not dead.
I wasn't asking about what his actual character in the show said...
Hence why I said "Sean Bean" and not "Ned". Was just using the seasons as a timeframe as in when he talked about this.
PhoenixDark
Banned
I'm looking forward to World of Ice and Fire, in fact I'm super excited for it...but hearing Martin wrote 250,000 words (50k were requested) for it is a bit depressing. That's a lot of writing/progress within the last couple years, none of it on TWOW. I'm very curious to find out what the TWOW page count stands at now.
CrashBandicoot
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I really wish he'd wait until the series was over to put out all the supplementary things, cash in then George 
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm sure he can write quite fast if he actually knows where he's going.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
I finished ADWD last night and it's still sinking in.
So I guess...Qyburn's found some other way to re-animate the dead? I feel like it could either be really stupid or really awesome.
I also thought it would have been way better paced if Dany had gone missing closer to the beginning of the book. As I'm sure plenty of people before me have noted, nothing really happened until Daznak's Pit...then nothing (with Dany) happened after that until the final chapter. Barristan's chapters were really satisfying to read but it also could have been really interesting if the book put some time into Dany alone in the Dothraki sea with no one there for her except Drogon.
That's just me being a backseat writer though, who knows if it could have worked or have been interesting in the end. Her arc was definitely the weakest link of the book, though I did enjoy everything else happening around her (Selmy, Quentyn, Young Griff/Aegon, Tyrion, etc).
So I guess...Qyburn's found some other way to re-animate the dead? I feel like it could either be really stupid or really awesome.
I also thought it would have been way better paced if Dany had gone missing closer to the beginning of the book. As I'm sure plenty of people before me have noted, nothing really happened until Daznak's Pit...then nothing (with Dany) happened after that until the final chapter. Barristan's chapters were really satisfying to read but it also could have been really interesting if the book put some time into Dany alone in the Dothraki sea with no one there for her except Drogon.
That's just me being a backseat writer though, who knows if it could have worked or have been interesting in the end. Her arc was definitely the weakest link of the book, though I did enjoy everything else happening around her (Selmy, Quentyn, Young Griff/Aegon, Tyrion, etc).
CrashBandicoot
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Qyburn's working on making a FrankenJoff too.
yeah word, didn't know about this interview
CrashBandicoot
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Does anyone else think that Lightbringer consumes light? The POV characters always notice how much darker the world seems after Stannis puts Lightbringer back in its scabbard. When I first read the books I kinda thought Stannis would end up serving the Great Other. A flaming sword that radiates no heat and leaves the world in darkness doesn't seem like a weapon of the Lord of Light.
Ape Gone Insane
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Guy has a big painting of Jon and Ghost in his house, not that really says much but I don't think he hates Jon.
Not a page count but last I heard he was 25% of the way through.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Well if he's not dead, there's a chance he's not the hero he is prophesied to be...so...I guess he's a pretty hard guy to figure out.
No.
I think after looking at a bright light, such as a glowing sword, the world would look a little dim.
I always get the feeling it's a project he just can't say no to, due to how much he relies on them/friendship.
Because I agree, encyclopedic efforts should come after the series have been written.
Basileus777
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GRRM's probably thankful to write something as simple as an encyclopedia where doesn't have to juggle a 1000 plot threads and someone structure them into a book.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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If he doesn't die in the next book, I'll be really surprised. Still, he's one of the better characters in the story and I actually hope he sits the Iron Throne at the end, if anyone does. He'd be a better ruler than any of the alternatives.
Pollux
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We still don't know enough about Aegon to know if he would be good or not...Dany can be OK if she gets her head out of her ass and doesn't act like a swooning teenage girl all the time.
Renly would have been a good king.
But as for Stannis, he's too brittle. Stannis being king would be just as bad in as Aerys in some ways. Basically, if Stannis were king, heads would roll.
Edit: when did we get moved to Community?
She's only really ever swooned over Daario, and she hasn't really like her bonin' get in the way of her rulin'. She's a hard-ass B when she has to, she just isn't happy about it most of the time.
CrashBandicoot
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If Dany had a good Hand, someone who knows a bit about leadership of a fragmented group, knows about Westerosi customs and was honourable like his dad...
Wait, I'm confused about something, would Jon - if Howland Reed tells him about his lineage and assuming anyone actually cares - have a stronger claim than Dany?
Wait, I'm confused about something, would Jon - if Howland Reed tells him about his lineage and assuming anyone actually cares - have a stronger claim than Dany?
Moff
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Only if Rhaegar married Lyanna.
And even then, Jon has taken the black, he does not have a claim.
Basileus777
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The vows are until death, and well, Jon died.
PhoenixDark
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Stannis would be the best king IMO. It wasn't the case when he was first introduced, but since then he has proven himself to be worthy. He protects the weak, recognizes the true threat to the realm, and has become more diplomatic since going north. The old Stannis would never consider (TWOW spoiler)
Sadly I don't think he'll have a happy ending or leave the north. I think he'll become the next Night's King, and Dany will defeat him.
sacrificing Theon to the old gods, to satisfy a northern army that was once in open rebellion against his claim
Sadly I don't think he'll have a happy ending or leave the north. I think he'll become the next Night's King, and Dany will defeat him.
CrashBandicoot
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But it is the sort of thing that might sway any lords who think like Stannis to your side
Ignatz Mouse
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This is mostly true, but it does affect how well people accept you. Look at the Blackfyre rebellion, for instance.
people only accept you commensurate with what they have to gain by you. Blackfyres failed because they didn't have enough strength to oppose the Targaryens, and nobody with the strength to join with them stood to gain much more than they already had under the Targaryens.
The Tyrells didn't give a fuck about the succession when they joined with Renly, they joined with Renly because they figured they could get a royal marriage out of it and move up in the world; they only backed the Lannister claim once they knew they could wed Marg to Joff, not because they saw their legal error. Likewise with Lannister backing Baratheon over Targaryen.
Griffon's Roost is rising for Aegon not because it's the right and legal thing to do, but because of Connington's loyalty to Rhaegar, and their belief that Westeros is a damn mess--that no power could marshal itself against them until Dany's arrival.
Ignatz Mouse
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True also, but the Blackfyre rebellion also had a couple of decades of scheming afterwards. And that was under whay was otherwise viewed as a good king.
You take the crown with a weak claim, you'll have dissenters who use the weak claim as an excuse. I think we're basically agreeing, I'm just saying that a weak claim gives your inevitable rivals some ammo.
You take the crown with a weak claim, you'll have dissenters who use the weak claim as an excuse. I think we're basically agreeing, I'm just saying that a weak claim gives your inevitable rivals some ammo.
Not necessarily. He could be flame healed like Victarion.
CrashBandicoot
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But if he gets literally revived like Beric, by definition he has died, I dunno what the Westeros views on techicalities like that are though
KuwabaraTheMan
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Well, if him dying would get him out of the Night's Watch, it would probably also end any inheritances he could have. Seeing as how he was dead, and it would then pass to whoever was next.
Yes, but if you don't have a legitimate claim to the throne, you will always have a major weakness that your enemies could exploit against you. Legal claim to the throne is not the only thing that can buy a man power, but without it his authority will always be in jeopardy.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Doing a combined reread of Feast / Dance and I have to say that if every last one of the Dorne chapters up until the Frog/Quentyn reveal were excised, the story would have lost nothing.
Seriously, apart from that fangirl bait Darkstar trying to kill Myrcella, literally nothing of importance happened in Dorne that couldn't have waited for TWoW in a much more succinct form. It could have gone like this:
Dorne 1: Arianne, Darkstar and the Sand Snakes make off with Myrcella. Arys Oakheart feels bad about forsaking his vows, but ZOMG ARIANNE IS SO DAMN FINE, so whatevs. They get caught, Arys dies, Darkstar turns on Myrcella.
Dorne 2: Balon Swann shows up with the fake Gregor skull. Arianne and the Sand Snakes get let out for the feast, afterward, Doran tells them about his secret plans.
BAM!
The Dorne story is all set up.
Seriously, apart from that fangirl bait Darkstar trying to kill Myrcella, literally nothing of importance happened in Dorne that couldn't have waited for TWoW in a much more succinct form. It could have gone like this:
Dorne 1: Arianne, Darkstar and the Sand Snakes make off with Myrcella. Arys Oakheart feels bad about forsaking his vows, but ZOMG ARIANNE IS SO DAMN FINE, so whatevs. They get caught, Arys dies, Darkstar turns on Myrcella.
Dorne 2: Balon Swann shows up with the fake Gregor skull. Arianne and the Sand Snakes get let out for the feast, afterward, Doran tells them about his secret plans.
BAM!
The Dorne story is all set up.
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