Pai Pai Master
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Hell no, the episode is titled "Mhysa," I think we will have Dany's conquering of Slaver's Bay along with Catelyn's resurrection.
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Hell no, the episode is titled "Mhysa," I think we will have Dany's conquering of Slaver's Bay along with Catelyn's resurrection.
Basileus777
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I just want to see Davos read that letter to Stannis.
Speaking of Davos, I wonder what they'll do with him next season. It's too early to send him to the Manderlys (if they even leave that in), maybe he'll end up on the Wall.
Speaking of Davos, I wonder what they'll do with him next season. It's too early to send him to the Manderlys (if they even leave that in), maybe he'll end up on the Wall.
Been a while since I last read the book but Jaime arrives after Joff's dead right? He's been on the road for a while now. Thinking of it I just realize what bugs me so much about Melisandre's meet up with the brotherhood in the series. She goes from Dragonstone to the Brotherhood and back in two (or three?) episodes while Jaime takes more than a season to even reach Kings Landing...
Basileus777
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Jaime is probably going to be at the Wedding. I don't see how they can delay him any more. The need to keep actors on screen is going to necessitate changes.
Beyonce Beytwice
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Lady Stoneheart doesn't appear until the epilogue of ASOS, so I don't think they'll introduce her on the show this early either. The end of season 4 (which covers the second half of ASOS) would be more in line with the books. But I don't know if they'll want to keep Michelle Fairley offscreen for that long.
It would make more sense to introduce her now.
Especially because non-book readers need that moment to tide them over to the next year. that one big cliffhanger scene like with Sam and the White Walker last season. Also, because they have an actor in Beric Dondarrion that was hired for this season and it would be alot of trouble to get him back for one ressurection scene next season, plus you'd have to re-introduce him to people that haven't seen him for a whole season at some point in S4. That seems like alot of hassle.
I would be very surprised if they left out Stoneheart's introduction for the next season.
Especially because non-book readers need that moment to tide them over to the next year. that one big cliffhanger scene like with Sam and the White Walker last season. Also, because they have an actor in Beric Dondarrion that was hired for this season and it would be alot of trouble to get him back for one ressurection scene next season, plus you'd have to re-introduce him to people that haven't seen him for a whole season at some point in S4. That seems like alot of hassle.
I would be very surprised if they left out Stoneheart's introduction for the next season.
Everyone going on about Ep 10 potentially having Stoneheart, god I hope not, that could seriously turn off their viewers if it happens.
Most of the people in this thread hate it so to have that straight after an episode where many will be considering if they want to carry on watching could be detrimental.
Most of the people in this thread hate it so to have that straight after an episode where many will be considering if they want to carry on watching could be detrimental.
Pai Pai Master
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She appears in the epilogue already "alive" and killing Freys, and has already placed herself at the head of the Brotherhood. She is resurrected only 3 days after the Red Wedding, which chronologically (as the show does not do flashbacks or a lot of backwards exposition like in AFFC) would be in one of the episodes following her murder, not a full season later.
They've built up the Red Priests and Beric a lot more in this season than they did in ASOS - they won't kill him and revive Cat off-screen. They need time to get her where she is in the epilogue, which could still end up being one of the last scenes of Season 4.
I think they will end the episode with the revival of Catelyn but not show the toll that death and revival have taken on her until next season. Thoros specifically said on the show that you lose a part of yourself every time. It would relate specifically to the reveal of Catelyn being resurrected, only to later find that what she lost is her sense of humanity.
The Albatross
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So agreed here. Most boring goddam stories. And the whole smoot was just confusing. After reading the whole thing I went away thinking ".. what was the point of that."
I pretty much hate the Stoneheart storyline in the books. And after last Sunday's episode, most of my friends who are watching the show but have little interest in the books, would probably stop watching if Catelyn was resurrected into a zombie mom. They're already a little "Meh" about any of the witchcraft things in the story, and this season introduced a fair amount of it, with full on warging, sam killing a white walker, more black magic from Melisandre.
I really hope the season ends with Joffrey's wedding. I don't think that there's enough setup for it though. The season has to end on something good because the show will lose viewers with the Red Wedding. The reaction to that was worse than Ned Stark. Almost everybody I talk to about it who hasn't read the books feels betrayed... that all of their favorite characters will just be killed off, and that there's no reason to watch anymore. Having read the books and being a big fan of them, I really can't tell them "hold fast!" because I know that the other climaxes from ASOS probably won't come for another year, and then beyond that its still just suffering and shit for the Starks, haha.
I think it mostly comes down to how they handle bringing her back to life and how awful they make her look. I.e. if they make her look as awful and decomposed as Cat in the books, I'd see it more or less just annoying a lot of people (especially those surprisingly numerous viewers that, while watching a fantasy show, complain when it has fantasy elements).
But if she still mostly looks like Cat (with a gaping neck wound) and all we are shown is her eyes opening before they cut to the end credits, I think people would actually be happy at the prospect that maybe someone made it out 'alive'. Then of course the show can leave finding out that she's lost all her humanity until next season.
I think Joffrey's wedding is too unlikely sadly, I'd love to see it but it's just too early. I do hope we get to see Balon die/get killed. That'd be another way to give people some hope, since if Robb and Balon are both already dead they can hope that the leeches are working and that Joff will be next. I could see people watching just to see him die if they expect it will happen soon.
That's my assumption as well, melisandre while wrong often it seems, clearly she is certain that Jon is vital for something, but even so there is doubt she has powers, didn't she launch a fireball or something at the wildling warged into the eagle. I'm sure Jon is in a bad state but I can see the backstabbing brothers being wiped out in the opening 2 paragraphs of Jon's first chapter. I assume Jon's heart will stop so in basic terms technically dead (I would assume that death to them is the heart not beating, I doubt they have any concept of brain death) so for filling the vision/prophecy.
guys we don't want Jon to be Azor Ahai 'cuz that guy's a huge asshole and probably The Big Bad. The Prince that was Promised will kick Azor Ahai's ass.
Source: Mel likes Azor Ahai and is full of shit, Aemon liked The Prince that was Promised and was tripping the life fantastic.
I really wish that wizardly Maester from the citadel showed again once he set out to meet Dany after talking to Sam. I feel like that guy knows wassup better than most.
Source: Mel likes Azor Ahai and is full of shit, Aemon liked The Prince that was Promised and was tripping the life fantastic.
I really wish that wizardly Maester from the citadel showed again once he set out to meet Dany after talking to Sam. I feel like that guy knows wassup better than most.
Will Dany go to Asshai? In ACOK it's hinted a lot that she will go there, I haven't got the maps to hand but is it closer to Westeros than Meereen?
I'd like her to go there for a bit as long as it serves some part of the plot but if it'd take too long then she should just hurry her ass over to Westeros, unless she finds some interesting stuff to do in Essos before she gets there.
I'd like her to go there for a bit as long as it serves some part of the plot but if it'd take too long then she should just hurry her ass over to Westeros, unless she finds some interesting stuff to do in Essos before she gets there.
Blue Ninja
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She'll arrive in Westeros in the final PoV chapter of "A Dream of Spring", and find it a barren wasteland because everyone killed each other. Then Arya kills her, and is the last one standing.
Bittersweet.
Bittersweet.
This has probably been discussed, but is The Lord of Light the one true god, or is it just witchcraft?
My opinion is; it is witchcraft. Between the books and the hbo series the characters all seem skeptical of it, and most characters get a negative vibe from the red priestess. And in the show Beric says that when he dies there is nothing. Which tells me he isn't going to some happy place with the Lord of Light.
My opinion is; it is witchcraft. Between the books and the hbo series the characters all seem skeptical of it, and most characters get a negative vibe from the red priestess. And in the show Beric says that when he dies there is nothing. Which tells me he isn't going to some happy place with the Lord of Light.
Morrigan Stark
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There's no evidence that the Lord of Light exists, let alone is the one true god.
IMO, it's all just magic, but those who wield magic credit the god(s) they believe in for it. Wargs and greenseers credit the old gods and the Children of the Forest, red priests credit R'hllor, Faceless Men credit the Many-Faced God, Mirri Maz Duur credited the Great Shepherd, etc.
That just sounds super sweet actually.
Beyonce Beytwice
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Except Dany is not on Arya's list.
That's how I always read it. Just like how humans have relied upon explaining the unexplainable through religious folklore, so too do the people of asoif explain their magical abilities the same way, though in their case being able to actively wield magic does indeed seem to lend further credence to their claims (which is probably why Melisandre has been able to convert so many so quickly).
Arya will soon realize that everyone is on her list.
Faceless Men were slaves of Valyria, right? Could be they've got a forevergrudge against Dragonfolk.
Steelyuhas
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And Ayra's death is foreshadowed very early in AGOT.
Do you mind explaining?
Archaeopteryx
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I think he is referring to this quote, from Jon early on in AGOT:
"You’ll be sewing all through winter. When the spring thaw comes, they will find your body with a needle still locked tight between your frozen fingers."
timetokill
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In other words, she's going to kill guys on every page of the next book, but then die before spring arrives
So sad.Even after reading through the series 3 times, its amazing how much I continue to miss. Thanks dude.
In other words, she's going to kill guys on every page of the next book, but then die before spring arrives
bittersweet ending indeed
WhereAreMahDragonz
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In other words, she's going to kill guys on every page of the next book, but then die before spring arrives
If this happens I won't know how to handle it. She's my favorite
A friend and I were questioning why GRRM didnt simply release shorter books and further increase the number of books in the series? Clearly it takes him a great deal of time to get these things done and shorter books would appease fans, his publisher probably and would be great for HBO as well. Not to mention technically he could double his revenue by releasing two books for the same level of effort. I don't think anyone would complain as his books would be fairly long even at half the original length.
Yea were both having serious withdrawal symptoms.
Yea were both having serious withdrawal symptoms.
I don't think that is fair for the first three books. For AFfC and especially ADwD your point is very true. ADwD has the most random ending point I could possibly think of in this story. In a way he did double the books considering he split the most recent two from one. Or so he claims.
Words are wind.
Buckethead
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Writing the show maybe
PhoenixDark
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There's no way the finale will be Joffery's wedding; there's too much ground to cover, mainly the Red Viper entering the city, and Tywin telling Cersei/Tyrion that Joffery is another Mad King.
I'm guessing the King's Landing finale will just be Tywin admitting Joffery is insane, an announcement that the Martells are traveling to the city, and some type of wedding prep. Maybe Sansa will get the hair net.
I agree that it would be horrible to include Stoneheart this season. The soundtrack doesn't really give any hints, unlike last season. I'd hope that the wildling attack will be included because otherwise the finale could feel like an ordinary episode. Killing off Ygritte would be a big moment. Outside of that, what major event can this episode have? We know Dany will have her big "mother" moment, but what else? It looks like the Hound gets in a fight in the preview, perhaps this will include the inn scene for Arya? That would be a big moment too.
I'm guessing the King's Landing finale will just be Tywin admitting Joffery is insane, an announcement that the Martells are traveling to the city, and some type of wedding prep. Maybe Sansa will get the hair net.
I agree that it would be horrible to include Stoneheart this season. The soundtrack doesn't really give any hints, unlike last season. I'd hope that the wildling attack will be included because otherwise the finale could feel like an ordinary episode. Killing off Ygritte would be a big moment. Outside of that, what major event can this episode have? We know Dany will have her big "mother" moment, but what else? It looks like the Hound gets in a fight in the preview, perhaps this will include the inn scene for Arya? That would be a big moment too.
I think he likes the idea of seven books. Seven is a magical number, according to Dumbledore. Though I wouldn't mind nine books in all. The problem is that at this point it would probably make it harder rather than easier because he has to edit and condense a book for release after he is done writing it. That takes up time, not to mention he has to spend time in marketing the books and doing interviews. The positive thing is he has said that he is willing to write more than seven books if it is for the best. Two more books is actually not a lot of space to complete all of the character arcs.
Morrigan Stark
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I never saw that as foreshadowing, just Jon Snow taunting Arya on her dislikes of needlework.
But now, I don't know anymore... so much was foreshadowed in book 1 that came true much, much later. Like Bran having a vision of Robert Strong way back in book 1. So now I'm afraid for Arya. ;_; For now she has plot armour, because if she dies in Bravos her story is wasted. But once she returns to Westeros (or, hell, goes to Essos, who knows)... noooooo
HAHAHAHA, well played.
To add, I figure that Joffrey will announce Loras' induction into the Kingsguard to breakup his engagement with Cersei, as part of his move to piss off Tywin.
I can't imagine them waiting for Season 4 to do that.
I'm going to have to start another re read aren't I and I don't have any long flights coming up.
PhoenixDark
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Very good point.
Morrigan Stark
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Here's the passage, blew my mind on a re-read:
And there's more after, even Jon's fate might have been foreshadowed:
GRRM is a genius.
And there's more after, even Jon's fate might have been foreshadowed:
GRRM is a genius.
I wonder who those other two shadows are supposed to be. The face of a hound? Golden Armour and beautiful?
KuwabaraTheMan
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Well, Dany already knows he trained Mirri, since Mirri mentioned that in her presence. Whether or not she'll remember the specific name is the question, although given what Mirri did to her, I can see the name triggering a memory for her.
PhoenixDark
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Sounds like The Hound and Jaime.
Can that imply Cercei's trial?
Could also be The Hound and Oberyn, possibly. Either way, it seems pretty certain that the brothers will face off once again. Can't wait to see how The Hound ends up back in the game.
Yes, that is one of the leading possibilities.
viciouskillersquirrel
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Well I just finished my reread of the series, capped off by a combined Feast/Dance. I have to say that it's so much better as a combined book. The Mereen chapters especially become far less repetitive broken up this way.
The Dorne and Ironborn chapters are still useless, the latter in Feast more so than Dance.
So, are the TWoW preview chapters actually any good? Are they worth knowing about or conclude any dangling threads or are they exclusively fluff (i.e. Ironborn and Dorne all up in this business)?
The Dorne and Ironborn chapters are still useless, the latter in Feast more so than Dance.
So, are the TWoW preview chapters actually any good? Are they worth knowing about or conclude any dangling threads or are they exclusively fluff (i.e. Ironborn and Dorne all up in this business)?
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