Jorah is badass in the show. He is practically a saint in comparison to some other characters. Don't be mad at him for being a "nice guy", you all are too sensitive about that. It also helps that in the television series he is a good looking guy as opposed to the book Jorah who was not that attractive. I think Iain Glen along with Charles Dance have really added a new dimension to their characters while staying true to the source material.
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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Ignatz Mouse
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Disagree. I think the show has sanitized him and made him less interesting.
I hate him in the books, but he's more than he is in the show.
I hate him in the books, but he's more than he is in the show.
PhoenixDark
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I'm gonna defend George here. So far TWOW samples haven't been different from the overall POV narrative style in previous books, including the first three. Also I disagree with the general idea that if a character is traveling, "nothing is happening." That may be the case in some examples like Brienne perhaps, but Arianne...
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Arianne I: Arianne travels to Ghost Hill, Jon Connington's letter to Doran is revealed, Ghost Hill's ladies reveal they hold a book that describes how to kill dragons, Arianne begins to doubt the sanity of Dany. How is that "nothing?" It seems pretty obvious that the seeds are being sowed for the Martels to forsake Dany. Personally I don't think Doran is dumb enough to do it, regardless of what he hears about Quentyn being rejected. But if he were to die, Arianne seems very likely to throw Dorne to Aegon.
Arianne II: Arianne travels to Griffin's Roost, the Golden Company's spymaster debates Aegon v Dany with Arrianne and refers to him as "The Dragon," Arianne learns Connington has successfully taken Storm's End. Tyrell forces are marching towards Storm's End, but Arianne decides to go anyway. Nothing? Another chapter hinting at an Aegon/Dany rift, and we learn Connington has seemingly done something no one in recent memory has done: successfully taken Storm's End in a siege. Granted we don't know how he did it, but I'm guessing a shadow baby wasn't involved.
Two set up chapters, and the next will likely be her meeting Aegon and Connington - which will sure as hell be eventful. That's not anything new for the series. Another point: didn't Mace Tyrell say he wouldn't leave the city until after his daughter's trial? So I'm guessing he sent Tarly to deal with Connington. Interesting considering Tarly seems way more competent than Mace, and of course was a Targ bannerman during the rebellion
Arianne II: Arianne travels to Griffin's Roost, the Golden Company's spymaster debates Aegon v Dany with Arrianne and refers to him as "The Dragon," Arianne learns Connington has successfully taken Storm's End. Tyrell forces are marching towards Storm's End, but Arianne decides to go anyway. Nothing? Another chapter hinting at an Aegon/Dany rift, and we learn Connington has seemingly done something no one in recent memory has done: successfully taken Storm's End in a siege. Granted we don't know how he did it, but I'm guessing a shadow baby wasn't involved.
Two set up chapters, and the next will likely be her meeting Aegon and Connington - which will sure as hell be eventful. That's not anything new for the series. Another point: didn't Mace Tyrell say he wouldn't leave the city until after his daughter's trial? So I'm guessing he sent Tarly to deal with Connington. Interesting considering Tarly seems way more competent than Mace, and of course was a Targ bannerman during the rebellion
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He was always a powerful brute. He's only badass in the show because he's good-looking and they haven't emphasized his flaws or his creepiness yet. But maybe that's a conscious decision, so that they get a more sympathetic love triangle out of the deal.
Dude! Fedora behavior if I've ever seen it.
Information from old books in spoiler because it would show what you were saying in your spoiler.
No, Tarly was a bannerman for Tyrell who was supporting the Targ.
Morrigan Stark
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Pretty sure Jeor took the black long before Jorah's disgrace, but I do agree with the rest.
I personally like Jorah as a character, because he's a very tragic character. He's like a braver and older Theon Greyjoy in that way. He fucked up time and time again, but he was genuinely in love with that first woman he married, and then with Dany, but that love was unrequited and it tore him apart. By ADWD he's a broken shell of a man. I pity him.
I think Jon and Bran will meet somehow. He will go out beyond the wall as Ghost and meet Bran who is inside Summer I guess. Maybe Bran needs to be rescued? I don't trust the old man he is with. I have a feeling he killed Jojen and turned him into paste, and might kill Meera.
fake edit: Don't trust the children of the forest either.
Morrigan Stark
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^ Pfft. #TeamBloodRaven all the way
Ignatz Mouse
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How many eyes does Bloodraven have?
I think so as well, Surely if he was still head of the Bear islands he would have carried Claw, when he gives it to Jon it pretty much implies Jorah was in charge, I guess Claw didn't go to Dacey because she used a Mace rather than her being a female.
I don't hate Jorah he is very human, like you say heart broken by the first by his first wife, doing something he thought he needed to do to restore his honour back home by spying on Dany when she was just another targ who he fought against in the war, then he fell in love with the one person it was never gonna happen with showed his hand and loses it all.
I guess the thing that makes Jorah come across as bit of a dick is that all his problem's could have been avoided by coming clean, other people leaked his secrets and he paid the price again.
Is Jorah the way he is because of what has happened to him, or was the slave incident just an excuse he uses. Perhaps he was bit of a scumbag before he ran.
It's actually worse. Jeor joined the Watch before all that explicitly so that his son could inherit the titles, honors, and possessions of House Mormont early. He was like, "Son, I want you to have it all and not have to wait for my death. I want you to have a long, rewarding life as the head of our proud House."
And then, welp.
Morrigan Stark
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A thousand eyes and one, of course!
Hmm, was that really why Jeor took the black? I don't remember.
viciouskillersquirrel
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I don't get the fedora meme. Is it from old timey gangster films or something else that portrays dudes in hats as duplicitous and untrustworthy?
My take on Jorah is that he's dealing with a lot of conflict and self loathing. He's proud, he's tough, he's strong, but he's also more than a bit of an arsehole and has a crippling weakness for high maintenance blondes, both of which get him into trouble. He also, deep down, knows that all his problems are his own damn fault and he hates himself for it.
Same deal with his first wife. Dany at one point asked him if he hates her. He responds by saying "almost as much as I love her".
With Dany, he should have come clean about informing on her the second the assassination attempt happened. Thing is that's not always the easiest thing in the world to do. Waiting as long as he did just made things worse.
His falling in love with Dany is, I think, just him projecting his feelings for his first wife onto her.
My take on Jorah is that he's dealing with a lot of conflict and self loathing. He's proud, he's tough, he's strong, but he's also more than a bit of an arsehole and has a crippling weakness for high maintenance blondes, both of which get him into trouble. He also, deep down, knows that all his problems are his own damn fault and he hates himself for it.
Same deal with his first wife. Dany at one point asked him if he hates her. He responds by saying "almost as much as I love her".
With Dany, he should have come clean about informing on her the second the assassination attempt happened. Thing is that's not always the easiest thing in the world to do. Waiting as long as he did just made things worse.
His falling in love with Dany is, I think, just him projecting his feelings for his first wife onto her.
A thousand eyes and one. Bran physically sees it in the cave.
Yeah.
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Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't think it was ever specified that Jeor took the Black for any specific reason.
Its just a Friendzone Uniform, afaik
Morrigan Stark
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Fuck, I thought I stealth-edited that stupid typo. >_> Stupid edit+ save button doesn't always work, it seems...
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I google image searched "friend zone fedora" and now I understand.
That's a bug in Chrome 27.
Supermanisdead
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Where can I read the WOW preview chapters and how many are there?
Arianne's can be read here: http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/
Yeah he wanted to relieve the siege of Riverrun.
Bridging a river doesn't rally take that much time. And once such bridge is built crossing it would not take more time than crossing at twins.
Outside of that i think he only needed to save time once he crossed the river so as to out march and get past Tywin. The Riverrun wasn't in danger of immediate sacking. I dunno, will have to get hold of the books.
Looking at the map he could have simply marched on the left side of green fork when coming from the north.
Basileus777
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You want him to march his army through a swamp? The geography makes what you suggest impossible.
The mighty house of Reed would show him the way.
Assuming there is one. You do not really want to bring 18000 men and all that comes with it ( horses, carriages, camps followers etc ) where the wet boggy swamps stretches for hundreds of miles on end. Even the kingsroad is a very narrow path at times, and practically the only walkable route for an army through the Neck. Even if there was a way, it would take much longer.
Regarding the Neck and house Reed in general, seem to me that they use boats or raft of some sorts to make their way to their keep.
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Louis Cypher
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Actually there is a good amount of evidence for it and it'd give a point to ~Daario~
similar physical appearance
both have blue eyes
Euron's location was unknown during Dany's conquests and left Westeros shortly after Victarion
Daario wasn't in Meereen during Balon's assassination and Kingsmoot
Euron brought a huge amount of swag to Kingsmoot
Daario earned a huge amount of swag after the siege of Meereen
Euron's sure that Dany will marry him and he'll get the dragons
Daario tried to convince Dany to organize Meereen's own Red Wedding, which is a weird coincidence
The Warlock prophecy mentioned "three mounts you must ride, one to bed, one to dread and one to love." Dany has had sex with three men, Drogo, Hizdahr and Daario. Drogo is the one to love, Hizdahr is the one to bed so by elimination, Daario is the one to dread.
Dany saw 'grey lips' when "dread" was mentioned. Euron has grey lips and is a GREYjoy.
Euron's the biggest threat Dany's facing (acc. to Moquorro)
Daario is a pretty pointless character with an unknown motivations
There were always month+ gaps between Euron's and Daario's sightings, almost two months long before Balon's assassination.
It's implied that Euron's using quarthian warlock magick while sailing, so anything makes sense chronologically.
Horn's ownership must be paid in blood - Euron killed a king once.
Euron's introduced as a cunning chessmaster and seems to be playing Victarion in some way, yet he didn't do anything yet, and isn't even in Meereen.
And:
after Daario's actor being specified as "any race except caucasian" in the casting material, HBO made him white after all.
GRRM said in a post-ADWD interview that there is more to Daario than there appears to be
And finally:
Daario leads a mercenary group called the Stormcrows
Euron is known as "Crow's eye"
Euron describing himself: "I am the storm, my lord. The first storm, and the last"
Basileus777
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The idea of Daario secretly sailing all the way to the Iron Islands every time Dany turns her back is sort of amusing, even if it is insane.
Now that's some hardcore hand waving.
That Euron = Daario theory is really awesome, and then I went and searched Google and apparantly there is also a Benjen = Daario theory. Ed Skrein also looks like Euron so it would be a good casting choice. The only problem is the TV show would need to betray it next season or the season after that, before GRRM could show it.
Ed Skrein also looks like Euron so it would be a good casting choice. The only problem is the TV show would need to betray it next season or the season after that, before GRRM could show it.Basileus777
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That Euron = Daario theory is really awesome, and then I went and searched Google and apparantly there is also a Benjen = Daario theory.
"The only problem" haha.
If GRRM decided Daario = Euron, then yes, how to hide it would be the only problem. (It would also help justifying a stupid character)
It can be illogical yes if it turned out to be true, so would a world renown knight posing as a squire right in front of a guy he fought a couple of years before. And I'd like some of those crackpot theories to be true.
Basileus777
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A knight posing as a squire didn't require teleportation magic to explain impossible continuity and timeline issues.
There's a chapter in the book where Jamie rewards the Westerlings with Lands and titles. I believe he gives them castemere?
I can't find the passage right now, but its implied that Jeyne's mom made a deal with Tywin.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Sybell_Spicer#A_Feast_for_Crows
Ignatz Mouse
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Which Knight posed as a squire?
Barristan Selmy.
Louis Cypher
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It's not teleportation. Just enhanced sailing.
Also what purpose does Darrio possibly serve. GRRM said he has a role coming so what is it?
any one of a zillion things short of being fucking Euron.
he doesn't need a destiny of himself. his purpose was for Dany to fuck him and to have troubs about what it means to be a queen.
Morrigan Stark
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Sorry, but the Daario = Euron theory is probably the stupidest crackpot theory yet, and that's saying a lot.
CrashBandicoot
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Worse than Daario = Benjen?
Morrigan Stark
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lol. Well, if anyone actually seriously provided "hints" and "evidence" for that one, maybe this one is worse...
I'll believe in Hodor or Hot Pie on the Iron Throne before that crap.
Ignatz Mouse
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He was halfway around the world and grew out a long beard, and only wielded a staff. Not really that hard to imagine.
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