Basileus777
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It was a scrapped idea for the a time skip after ASOS that GRRM decided against using.
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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It was a scrapped idea for the a time skip after ASOS that GRRM decided against using.
Yeah, the original plan for the 4th book to take place 5 years after the events of the first three, with the Stark kids considerably older. But I think GRRM said when he tried to do it that way, he found he was relying too much on flashbacks to events that occurred in those 5 years, so he decided against it.
And, as far as I remember, I don't think Littlefinger really has anything personally against Tyrion? His actions don't seem to be exclusively against Tyrion, but more just to benefit himself.
Motive would be to just remove him from the game, since Littlefinger isn't the sort to underestimate Tyrion's intelligence due to his height. And because his height makes him such an open target, the opportunities just present themselves as they go along.
Fuckin gurm
Mr.Marston
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Aww yeahhh
PhoenixDark
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1) ADWD was initially the fourth novel of the series, and meant to occur 5 years after the events of ASOS. Martin planned on writing a very large, multi character prologue that eventually turned into the Greyjoy and Dorne chapters in AFFC, plus the Pate story. The rest of the book was supposed to cover everything else.
Martin said that the plan worked very well for young characters like Bran, who would essentially be training "off screen/page" for five years. But it didn't work for POVs like Jon, who would have basically done nothing as LC until shit hit the fan in year 5.
He wrote more than 1000 MS pages of this before scrapping it, then split the book in two. Killing the 5 year gap also created the Mereenese Knot problem; since Martin could no longer skip Dany's governance period he had to bring multiple characters to her location. At one point her arc started with her meeting Quentyn, right before Daznak's Pit.
Only 4 1/2 years after ADWD? I can't see that happening. 2016 or bust.
Basileus777
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Believe? Haven't you been pimping a 2014 release?
Basileus777
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That could be delayed too!
A Human Becoming
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Why can't I find any reference online to the House Reign coat of arms looking incredible similar to the one for the Scots:
Any other banners in the series similar to real medieval banners.
Any other banners in the series similar to real medieval banners.
Because it doesn't look like it specifically. There are hundreds of lion flags and coat of arms like the one for the Scots.
A Human Becoming
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Are there any other animals in the book found in real life coat of arms?
PhoenixDark
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No. I said 2014 was only possible if Martin was on some Olympian level progress level, which obviously isn't the case. I've been saying for awhile that spring/summer 2015 is likely.
A lot of them does derive from common real heraldries. For example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolves_in_heraldry - Stark
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer#Heraldry - Baratheon
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Trouts_in_heraldry - Tully
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_(heraldry) - Tyrell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_(heraldry) - Martell
Of course, there are some variation here and there, though for the Major Houses GRRM really went with very simply arms, often with thematic implications.
Almost all of them, including the three-headed dragon.
toddhunter
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If by fifth you mean a dance with dragons...yes the last section is good. If you mean a feast for crows...then no.
I'm still backing March 2016.
The fourth book was definitely a hard read for me... Just a lot of nothing happening. Same thing I feel for most of ADWD... It makes me sad to see it like this, too.
Anyone familiar with the Ragnarok theory? Or has it already been posted?
http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html
Probably one of the better theories I've read.
http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html
Probably one of the better theories I've read.
"God's Beard!"
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I can dig it.
I read this a couple of weeks ago. Intriguing.
Moff
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yup, has been posted back then
honestly I believe a lot of it, too many coincidences. and it convinced me ice and fire will not fight each other, but both will fight humans in the endgame.
There do seem to be a lot of parallels. Theon for example, as a sea god sent to live among the wolves. That's pretty much dead on I think.
But much of the rest of his suggestions are pretty far out there.
Jojen is not dead yet, he knows he dies at Greywater, not Beyond the Wall. So Bran didn't eat him.
So there's room to see where GRRM was possible inspired by Norse Myth, you can see it in the names of many of the characters. It's pretty ease to see some loose connections, but the idea that Fire and Ice are going to join together to attack Man is a more than a little out there.
A Human Becoming
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Interesting read. Thanks for sharing. I hope half of it isn't true as it would mean two of my favorite characters dying.
After reading that I stumbled upon this compendium of theories. The "The Old Gods Love the Starks" is broken and I can't find it elsewhere.
PhoenixDark
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Where does he say that? The farther they got north, the more Jojen seemed like he was expecting to die soon. Not saying I believe the paste theory, but I don't see him leaving the north alive.
Many folks believe that the alleged sow/pig meat Coldhands gave Bran, Meera, and Jojen in ADWD was human flesh; he had killed the Night's Watch members before bringing the meat to the group, plus Bran couldn't find any live animals in the woods when he warged Summer.
Yeah, on my second reading that was pretty obvious; I didn't catch it at all my first time through though.
Edit: As for the other part, I don't recall Jojen saying anything about dying at Greywater. I'm pretty sure he'd just said it wasn't his time earlier on. But by the time they made it to the Children, I seem to recall he was already admitting that his time was almost up without coming right out and saying it.
Morrigan Stark
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A bunch of bollocks by people with too much time on their hands.
jakefromstatefarm
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PhoenixDark
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TWOW
Someone - be it Bran or Bloodraven - clearly wants him to be brought to a heart tree. Whether it's to actually sacrifice him, or whether it's something else - for instance, isn't there some...rule that a man cannot lie before a heart tree? Maybe Asha wants him to be taken to one in order to prove his innocence.
I just can't see Theon dying so early in TWOW as a sacrifice, seems like his arc has a bit more to accomplish.
I just can't see Theon dying so early in TWOW as a sacrifice, seems like his arc has a bit more to accomplish.
Purple Cheeto
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He'd rather be writing/editing Wild Cards. It is known.
No offense but fuck Theon. I think he deserves everything he gets. Still, he is a very well written asshole of a character.
Supermanisdead
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can someone pm me the text of this? i cant access blogspot :0
You Know Nothing
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PM'd.
RatskyWatsky
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What colors do everyone think the last two books will be?
So far we have:
Game of Thrones - Blue
Clash of Kings - Gold/Yellow
Storm of Swords - Green
Feast for Crows - Red
Dance with Dragons - White/Silver
Winds of Winter - ??
Dream of Spring - ??
Purple? Orange? Black?
So far we have:
Game of Thrones - Blue
Clash of Kings - Gold/Yellow
Storm of Swords - Green
Feast for Crows - Red
Dance with Dragons - White/Silver
Winds of Winter - ??
Dream of Spring - ??
Purple? Orange? Black?
DrForester
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They're using Red Wedding reaction vids for the S3 home video commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJ-YKex-oc
S4 commercial to be celebration videos for Joffrey's death.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fJ-YKex-oc
S4 commercial to be celebration videos for Joffrey's death.
WOW can be black/gray and DOS orange
Sweet! 2017 is a bit earlier than I was expecting.
Basileus777
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My books don't fit these color schemes.
I like the idea of WoW being Black or Grey and DoS Being a Yellow Green type color, but a nice yellow green, not a pukey one.
eot
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I don't think that's out of the question, blood sacrifices to weirwoods are a thing.
I'm not sure why Asha proposed that to Stannis to begin with though. Maybe he doesn't want him burned, but it's still oddly specific. She's not of the north, why does she care about the old gods?
Supermanisdead
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All this time I thought Lands of Ice and Fire was a big atlas and not just a collection of poster-sized maps. How disappointing :/
They should make a ASOIAF globe.
But this World of Ice and Fire book seems interesting. Is it confirmed for this year?
They should make a ASOIAF globe.
But this World of Ice and Fire book seems interesting. Is it confirmed for this year?
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