Basileus777
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This is why we have Bran and his convenient ability to see the past.
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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The Artful Dodger
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I kinda hope the High Sparrow is Howland Reed and he tears off his disguise and goes into a five page monologue that outlines all the plot secrets, and what every character should do, then says Fuck Y'all, I'm goin' back to my swamp.
That's how the series should end.
That's how the series should end.
Basileus777
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Nah, what will happen is that book 6 will end on a cliffhanger with Reed about to explain everything. And then book 7 never comes out.
WhereAreMahDragonz
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But doesn't he need a tree to see through?
TheKaeptain
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I want GRRM to finish the series and update his blog with "I'm done. I'm Alive. SUCK MY DICK".
DrForester
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The father of Jon Snow is, Mrs. Cartman!
And then never release the last book.
Kadayi
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Anyone know where there's a copy/transcript of the TWoW chapter released in the 'A Game of Thrones Guide' App?
Apparently the apps not available in the UK .....
I like the notion of Jon & Eric being brothers somehow
Apparently the apps not available in the UK .....
I like the notion of Jon & Eric being brothers somehow
Anyone know where there's a copy/transcript of the TWoW chapter released in the 'A Game of Thrones Guide' App?
Apparently the apps not available in the UK .....
I like the notion of Jon & Eric being brothers somehow
It's definitely available in the UK on iOS. Weird if they'd only release it on one platform.
Apparently it has a weird name on Android, like Game of Thrones guide or something.
Morrigan Stark
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About that TWoW chapter...
A friend pointed out to me that the Lannister guards said "the queen will have his head" when talking about Ser Harys. Now, Ser Harys was sent to Braavos by Kevan Lannister after Cersei's fall from power. Not sure when in the timeline the Mercy chapter occurs, but it seems to suggest that Cersei is back in power after Kevan dies. Or could it refer to Margaery clearing her name and seizing power somehow? What d'y'all think?
elrechazado
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Cersei IMO
Kadayi
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Oh it's there
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.randomhouse.woiaf
but it's listed 'incompatible' with both my Samsung phone & Nexus tablet....
PhoenixDark
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I agree it's Cersei. Her trial was five days away on the night of Kevan's death, so he may have left for Braavos shortly before or after the trial; Kevan was his son-in-law so I'd imagine he stayed long enough for a funeral at least.
IMO the fact that he even went on the mission points to Cersei being queen. Remember, the Tyrells wanted Garth Tyrell to be Master of Coin, and if Maergery was queen I'd imagine he would have been quickly appointed.
Another possibility: what if the trial was delayed for safety reasons (to search the city for assassins/Tyrion)? The chapter gives the impression Cersei really wants gold ASAP, and Harys will be screwed if he doesn't get. Why would Cersei need gold? Perhaps to buy off someone, or to hire an assassin?
IMO the fact that he even went on the mission points to Cersei being queen. Remember, the Tyrells wanted Garth Tyrell to be Master of Coin, and if Maergery was queen I'd imagine he would have been quickly appointed.
Another possibility: what if the trial was delayed for safety reasons (to search the city for assassins/Tyrion)? The chapter gives the impression Cersei really wants gold ASAP, and Harys will be screwed if he doesn't get. Why would Cersei need gold? Perhaps to buy off someone, or to hire an assassin?
Cornballer
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- The "World of Ice and Fire" excerpt is up on GRRM's website
jump out of this thread ASAP and come back when you finish ADWD.
Kadayi
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FootballFan
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Enjoy it. But stay out of this thread lol. Obvious spoiler thread is obvious.
That makes me incredibly excited. I'd love GURM to expand on the world during Valyria's glory, and then how things changed after the fall. Also, reading Aegon's story during the conquest war would be amazing.
A Human Becoming
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Disappointed there was so little new information in that excerpt.
TheKaeptain
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Get the fuck out of this thread. Seriously, stay out!
TheKaeptain
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There are certain things in the first book that are not in the show that he might not want spoiled.
toddhunter
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Because 60% of the new book is dedicated to the iron bank and their quest to balance their ledgers. White Walkers? Meh. The Iron Bank has always been the true looming threat.
A Human Becoming
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Did you pull this out of your ass?
toddhunter
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Well yes. But I wouldn't be shocked.
nice. nothing new, but a nice teaser.
White walkers are meh though. Completely uninteresting.
TheKaeptain
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Is the "World of Ice and Fire" going to be GRRM's Silmarillion or is that something else?
GRRMarillion is something else.
elrechazado
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Rereading got, and I'm confused. Why does Ned come to the tower of joy with 7 people?
At this point we know:
Trident happened, rhaegars army was broken there.
Siege of storms end is broken and tyrell and redwyne bent the knee.
Kings landing is taken and sacked.
Ned and Robert quarreled over the deaths of ellia and the children, and Ned takes his host south to finish the war.
Flash to the tower of joy, and Ned and 6 men approach, have a conversation with the 3 kingsguard there, fight and kill them, only Ned and reed survive.
Ned promises lyanna, takes john, lyanna dies. Ned pulls down the tower and builds cairns over his men.
So why the hell is Ned rescuing lyanna with 7 guys when he has a host? Honor? Then why 7 vs 3? Are we to assume there was a battle we have never heard of and only 7 survived?
Halp
At this point we know:
Trident happened, rhaegars army was broken there.
Siege of storms end is broken and tyrell and redwyne bent the knee.
Kings landing is taken and sacked.
Ned and Robert quarreled over the deaths of ellia and the children, and Ned takes his host south to finish the war.
Flash to the tower of joy, and Ned and 6 men approach, have a conversation with the 3 kingsguard there, fight and kill them, only Ned and reed survive.
Ned promises lyanna, takes john, lyanna dies. Ned pulls down the tower and builds cairns over his men.
So why the hell is Ned rescuing lyanna with 7 guys when he has a host? Honor? Then why 7 vs 3? Are we to assume there was a battle we have never heard of and only 7 survived?
Halp
Basileus777
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Ned took his most trusted people to head into the mountains of Dorne to find his sister, it wasn't a job for an army, though why he took 7 people instead of 20 is probably because it's more dramatic that way.
PhoenixDark
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I think Ned had an idea of what he was going to find at the tower. There are theories that Ashara Dayne told him about the tower as well.
Taking six north men made sense, as they were loyal to Ned, and capable fighters. If they had all somehow survived Ned would not have had to worry about them spilling the beans. Also I'd imagine taking northmen only may have been strategic in terms of avoiding Dornish provocation. If Ned had rolled in there under Robert's banner, perhaps he would have been attacked due to the violent murder of Elia's children. Perhaps word of Ned's anger over the children's death had spread to Dorne.
elrechazado
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I like it, and ashara kills herself because she betrayed her brother to her love Ned (who she has lost due to Brandon's death requiring Ned to marry cat), resulting in arthurs death.
I found Tyrion's sequence at the end of book 3 the most dramatic part of the series. But it seems like the show might change that.
Because he knew that what he was going to see there was something that shouldn't be made public. And now I have this horrible sensation that Reed is going to either die early or not appear at all in the next books.
Baraka in the White House
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I thought it was inferred somewhere that Ashara Dayne actually had a thing for Brandon, not Ned, and that it was word of Brandon's death that caused her to commit suicide.
Basileus777
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Ashara would have to be mighty stupid to kill herself almost 2 years after Brandon's death.
Baraka in the White House
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Maybe raven service wasn't especially reliable during the war, I unno.
Basileus777
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It was the very act that triggered a war. Dorne's not quite so isolated that they wouldn't hear about the cause of the war they are fighting in.
bishopcruz
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So I just read "The Princess and the Queen". Really really good. Harsh as hell, really puts the history of the world into perspective. Dragons are terrifying.
PhoenixDark
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Maybe Ashara killed herself because Ned brought Jon to Starfall and claimed he was his son. But then again you'd think Ashara would be able to see through that.
The Artful Dodger
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Reminds me of the theory Ashara isn't dead.
I love how all these theories about how nobody is actually dead. They just all become Jaqen
I love how all these theories about how nobody is actually dead. They just all become Jaqen
Basileus777
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It doesn't help that GRRM has already put 100,000 fake deaths in ASOIAF.
The Artful Dodger
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It also doesn't hurt that she's been mentioned in like almost every book.
John Dunbar
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ashara dayne is septa lemore. that's even more certain than jon snow being a secret targ.
PhoenixDark
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I'm fine with old characters being revealed as alive simply due to how many times it happened in real life, hundreds of years ago. But I greatly dislike cheap cliff hangers where people seemingly die. I'm fine with it at the end of a book, like Theon's apparent death at the end of ACOK. But doing it in the middle of a book is just dumb and has only worked once (Arya in ASOS). I hated Asha's fake out. I suppose this list of fake outs isn't that long...but I still dislike it.
I hope Lemore isn't Ashara, but it makes sense. There's also a theory that she's a Hightower. My issue is that Aegon, be he fake or real, is a big enough reveal, alongside Connington being alive. Having that boat be an all star list of previously thought dead characters seems...off to me.
I hope Lemore isn't Ashara, but it makes sense. There's also a theory that she's a Hightower. My issue is that Aegon, be he fake or real, is a big enough reveal, alongside Connington being alive. Having that boat be an all star list of previously thought dead characters seems...off to me.
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