A Human Becoming
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Boy, I do mis-remember that. :\
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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elrechazado
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There was a slaughter outside the twins, as well as inside, and there are after all two castles there also. Maybe that's what you were remembering.
Moreover, if I recall correctly, Sam meets Pate in the last chapter of the book (or even last/second-to-last page). Since we know real Pate is dead at this point it's very possible that it actually is Jaqen (since Pate was killed by a man who had similar face to Jaqen's at the end of ACOK).
KuwabaraTheMan
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Jaqen being Syrio was explicitly proven not to be true in A Feast for Crows. Rennifer Longwaters tells Jaime that the three previous people in the black cells (Jaqen, Rorge and Biter) were given over to the Night's Watch while Ned was still hand.
The Artful Dodger
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Unless Longwaters is also Jaqen.
sacrificed to the lord of light
PhoenixDark
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I can't help but think getting jailed was part of the plan; how else would someone of his caliber be arrested if not willingly? So he heads to the Wall. And in AFFC he's in the Citidal. The only thing I can think of that connects both the Wall and Citidal is their libraries, specifically the book on killing dragons...
platypotamus
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Sam was his target all along. He was hired by daddy Tarly.
phazedplasma
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Sam is GRRM
Cornballer
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I posted this in the TV show thread, but it's probably worth a look here as well:
- Full Rolling Stone interview with GRRM
- Full Rolling Stone interview with GRRM
holy shit "Rennifer Longwaters" what a pull. You some kind of 'paedia?
It's no wonder why he used AFFC to show the consequences of war. It also makes me think that The Others aren't this evil civilization, they have an endgame and the destruction of Westeros isn't in their plan.
10 hours?!
toddhunter
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The Others all work for the iron bank, as accountants.
John Dunbar
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Martin keeping the possibility open that Tywin/Oberyn/someone else was involved in the poisoning?
Personally, I always thought the "harsh lesson" Tywin promised for Joffrey might have deeper meaning.
By the way, the interviewer's answer to the simple question of who killed Joffrey in the books makes no sense. Martin pretty much had to answer his own question.
Personally, I always thought the "harsh lesson" Tywin promised for Joffrey might have deeper meaning.
By the way, the interviewer's answer to the simple question of who killed Joffrey in the books makes no sense. Martin pretty much had to answer his own question.
Just posted this in the other thread, but I reckon he might mean that Maergery was the one who put the poison in the cup. Ollena definitely took the strangler from Sansa (how else would LF know she touched it?), so it was either her or someone she could trust who did it.
She has better access, and can make sure she doesn't drink from it when it's poisoned.
Wouldn't Tywin poisoning Joffrey go against everything he stood for? Him constantly saying 'all there is is family' led me to believe that the internal struggles and murder will destroy his family line. Him having a hand in that would not only be ironic, it would be completely out of character.
He loathed Tyrion, but never did anything to physically harm him because of 'the family'.
Well, no man is so accursed as the kinslayer. A lot of people actually take this very seriously in the ASOIF-verse and its likely the reason Tyrion is alive. If Tywin wouldn't kill a dwarf he loathes more than anyone, he wouldn't kill Joffrey who in Tywins mind is probably just a stupid child with an attitude problem, nothing a sharp lesson can't fix. I imagine the sharp lesson that was promised would amount to something along the lines of the psychological torture Tywin put Tyrion through. In a lot of ways, Joffrey got off easy by being poisoned.
DrForester
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I am more of the opinion that Tywin was not involved, but probably had a good idea who was involved (if not knew outright) and just didn't care, as he know Joffrey would likely have led to another rebellion. I have no doubt he probably would have eventually killed Margery, and led to war with Highgarden,
Everyone is Jaqen confirmed. Jaqen Targaryen!
The Artful Dodger
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GRRM is Jaqen
bishopcruz
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No, Jaqen killed GRRM after he wrote Storm and stole his face, which is why the later books are talking so long to write.
Nah, Jaqen may be many people but Sam? That would make the final scene of AFFC impossible.
Unless Sam has split personality.......
What you've failed to consider is that Jaqen is also a time traveller.
Jaqen Durden-Targaryen confirmed?
Supermanisdead
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Wait, why is Syrio-Jaqen not a thing anymore? That's my favourite theory.
The Artful Dodger
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This is all a ruse by Varys who is also Jaqen
Eh, I dislike that theory so much. I just want Syrio to be dead. His life has ended as a fancing teacher. The End. Fin. Konnec. Kraj. Ende.
reading the TV show threads reminds me of how little a role the Others play in AFFC and ADWD. The whole story starts with them and they are scary mofos, we have the battle and sam and gilly fighting their way through the north etc. but in the last two books there was almost nothing. really looking forward to TWOW.
They almost have to be featured heavily in TWOW.
TheKaeptain
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The latter probably
Steelyuhas
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Almost surely the latter. The first five books encompassed a few years and George had built this up to be a many year winter since the beginning. Unless the sixth book changes pace and covers several years in time, I doubt we get anywhere close to getting through winter by the end of the series.
I will always prefer the last book's original title.
He should, as he seems to be imoortant in Sam's arc and the whole Game of Thrones in general. It will be with his new face in episode 10 of the second season though if they get to hire that actor.
dem wolves
cj_iwakura
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Which was?
A Time for Wolves
cj_iwakura
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I thought so. I like it, but both are good.
This winter is associated with something big going on, as soon as Jon takes care of it we'll have spring.
Steelyuhas
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NEVER EDIT
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Going to have "A Time for Wolves" cover made when that book comes out in 2030 and replace the real one.
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