Why would he return to Westeros (yet)? The Second Sons are not big enough to guarantee victory in any kind of bigger skirmishes. As far as I understood, his aim was to turn them against the others besieging Meereen and to offer them to Dany when he possibly gets to meet her after their betrayal (and arrival of Victarion) possibly giving Meereen an edge in the battle again (leading to their victory). The Second Sons only abandoned her because Dany wasn't willing to use her power (aka the dragons) in keeping the opposing forces at Meereen in line. Now that Dany has possibly gotten over that kind of sissyness, they/Plumm might want to be on her side again.
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A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD**
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gburgess10
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LetsGoKiting said:
Tyrion's joining the Second Sons clearly telegraphs that he will set them to turn on the Yunkai'i as soon as the battle is joined. As a result, Barristan will take them back.
This will set up Tyrion for possibly ousting Plumm, or at least setting him aside as he would likely no longer be accepted as envoy to Dany.
Thus Tyrion will come into service not as a beggar, but as a proven ally of Dany's- and so he will secure his position in court much like he did before with his mountain tribes.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Are there only 2 Dunk and Egg stories so far? I've listened to them on Audio Book.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
A third one came out at the end of last year.
yacobod said:
Well if you think it's all bollocks, why talk about the knot at all? The knot is only a name given by GRRM himself for a problem he encountered while writing the book. If you feel he is not truthful, and there is no weight in any of the things he has discussed, then there's nothing to talk about, since everything we can discuss about the behind-the-scenes process of writing the books comes from the author himself.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Count of Monte Sawed-Off said:
Cool will check it out.
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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
And if I'm not mistaken I believe George said a fourth one would be out in the near future.
ZephyrFate
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yacobod is the equivalent of an SA goon from The Bad Thread, i.e., calling him "the GURM" versus something more mature.duckroll said:
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duckroll said:One day there will be more Dunk and Egg novellas than Ice and Fire novels.
True. I'll bet that we get at least two more Dunk and Egg stories before TWOW. I don't mind though, I love Dunk and Egg. And I really really really want to know what happened at Summerhall. Aside from Jon's parentage, that's what I want to know the most.
sazabirules
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ZephyrFate said:
And you're the opposite. You wouldn't complain if the next novel was just Dany/Daario scenes. Sometimes I think you're Daniel Abraham since you defend every page of A Dance With Dragons.
ZephyrFate
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Not even close. I never said I enjoyed Dany's romance shit. Nor has any romance in these books been worth a shit.sazabirules said:
Stellar effort, though.
sazabirules
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duckroll said:Dude, I just threw up.
GRRM's sex scenes were even worse in the latest novel. It was like reading fanfiction written by a high school student.
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sazabirules said:
Cunts and cocks becoming as one on every page!
ZephyrFate
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I'm actually surprised he toned down the descriptiveness of the sex in this latest book. It's just a whole lot of "cunts and cocks in union" rather thanCount of Monte Sawed-Off said:
FINGERS IN MYRISH SWAMPS
sazabirules
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Are the Dunk and Egg novellas better than the graphic novels? I have the comic for The Hedge Knight.
elrechazado
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I can't wait to see dunk and egg finally visit winterfell, fight the ironmen, and hit some hot young old nan.
elrechazado
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cunts are windyacobod said:
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
elrechazao said:
HAR!
PhoenixDark said:I don't want Cersei to die
I do, she might be the only major POV in the series worse than Dany (and that includes the Maid of Tarth). I really hope she doesn't become Queen Regent again. I suppose Tyrell could appoint himself, but maybe we get another Lannister power play.
Need to clear up as much space in the next novel for more Victarion action. Here's hoping he makes Dany a salt wife and throws some more lady boys into the sea, since he has no use for them.
yacobod said:
It's difficult to imagine how the latter could happen. What allies does Cersei have left? Harys Swift? Maybe Varys? Tyrell has Tarly, Rowan, and soon Redwine, and he has an army in the city. I suppose the best chance she has is if Dorne immediately attacked Highgarden and Tyrell decided to lead the army against them. That, or a lot of assassinations.
Basileus777
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The Tyrells control the small council, but things can change fast. Maybe Tarly has to leave the city to fight Connington. Mace is an idiot who might piss of the Faith. I'm sure Nymeria Sand and Varys are going to cause some trouble too.tokkun said:
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yacobod said:
Yeah it was a bit odd. I wonder if he wrote those two scenes years apart and completely forgot that he'd already used it once. And his editors weren't about to point it out for fear that he'd have to rewrite the chapters and delay the book another year.
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just finished the book last night. Didn't feel good or surprised over what happened to Jon. Just said 'oh damnit' and kept reading.
It kind of left me with a sour aftertaste actually. Wasn't incredible or awesome like the red wedding :/
It kind of left me with a sour aftertaste actually. Wasn't incredible or awesome like the red wedding :/
Gonaria said:
The biggest disappointment I have with the book is that so many plot lines lack a climax/conclusion. If we'd had a Battle at Winterfell, Battle at Mereen, Tyrion/Victarion meeting Dany, and an answer to what's happened to Jon, all while trimming down the Tyrion and Dany chapters (and maybe even cutting out Quentyn as a POV, since he just dies anyway), this book would have probably surpassed Clash of Kings for me and would only be behind Storm and Game of Thrones. There were some amazing things in this book, but Tyrion and Dany felt like they had too many "filler" chapters, and the book just doesn't feel finished.
I also felt like Arya's 2 chapters and Jaime's one should have been in FFC.
KingK said:
Oh, I definitely agree on Arya and Jamie's chapters, especically Jamie's. I guess I can see why he did it, mostly because of the Cersei chapters. Still, I think the finishing Cersei chapter would have still been strong even if you know for sure that Jamie wasnt coming to rescue her, and Jamie and Brienne's chapters would have been better in AFFC.
VsRobot said:Seems like most people's biggest disappointment is that the book ends too soon.
Eh, not really. GRRM could have easily have had Tyrion and Dany meet if he just made other choices or trimmed down on the filler of Tyrion and Dany's chapters. Well, here's hoping that all that dilly-dallying in Merreen will all be worth it/make sense in the next book
Gonaria said:
Jaime's one chapter was definitely filler and out of place in ADWD, but in all honesty, I would've been more pissed if GRRM still left us on a cliffhanger on whether Brienne is actually dead or not. I think his chapter was fan service in that regard.
I'm sure if GRRM could re-compile his novels, he'd place Arya, Jaime, and Cersei's chapters in AFFC. They don't have much place in ADWD. I also agree that Quentyn's early chapters should've been cut and his arc would still be served if his 1st PoV was the one directly after Barristan first confronts him and advises him to go home. I thought Quentyn's last chapter though was one of the best in ADWD (loved the portrayal of the dragons as mere beasts, rather than mythical, magical beings that we see in every other fantasy series).
Speaking of Quentyn's arc...I'm looking forward to seeing if/how Ser Gerris and Ser Arch's roles expand in the series. GRRM has a way of introducing seemingly minor characters in one novel, only to push them to prominence in later books (ie. Theon from GoT to CoK, Ramsay from CoK to ADWD, Val from ASOS to ADWD, etc.). I thought Drink was a vain punk early on, but I was surprised by his absolute loyalty to Quentyn (I was suspecting he'd betray him or desert him, don't know why), and loved how he shat on Dany at the end. He seemed to be the first character to really piss on Dany's character and I loved it (but that's probably cause I hate Dany)
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my biggest disappointment is nothing happening to that ramsay motherfucker.
I'll give the author that, he can write a good villain.
EDIT: what was annoying was all the japing. sooo much japery in this book.
Jape jape jape words are wind you know nothing and so forth
I'll give the author that, he can write a good villain.
EDIT: what was annoying was all the japing. sooo much japery in this book.
Jape jape jape words are wind you know nothing and so forth
ZephyrFate
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Editor's fault, not the author's.catfish said:
ZephyrFate
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I actually thought that was one of the most powerful repeated phrases I've ever read. It makes you feel for Theon unlike pretty much any other character in the series.Sotha Sil said:
I've read roughly 550 pages of the book so far, and it has been decent, on par with AFfC or perhaps even a bit worse. The Dany chapters are boring as fuck, and the shlock romance with Daario is beginner-class writing. The Bran chapters are engaging as hell, but there's simply TOO FEW of them, or there's an enormous gap between each chapter.
The Jon/Reek/everyone-else chapters are great though (Tyrion's a bit less so), but GRRM needs to seriously tone down the awkward smut. Freak.
The Jon/Reek/everyone-else chapters are great though (Tyrion's a bit less so), but GRRM needs to seriously tone down the awkward smut. Freak.
ZephyrFate
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Again, this is more of an editor's issue than Martin's. Whoever was looking over it really needed to tighten up on the repetition.Sotha Sil said:
ZephyrFate
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True. I would have been fine with a little more editing time in the oven.duckroll said:
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