I've interviewed a few dozen this past year and not once did I make someone wait.
A Tale of 'Merica and Milk - I just walked out and abandoned a job interview. FML.
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Cool stuff. I hope you dig it! Software/programming stuff wasn't for me, so I opted out of that pretty early on. What I want to be doing today is far from that.
DoktorEvil
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Not at all. There's no lopsided thinking.
You are correct that labor is what keeps a business running, but at the end of the day, an employer has the authority and power to make decisions as an executive.
The employer sticks his/her neck out with their money for the benefit of future sales/revenues. The labor is to help the employer succeed in the venture.
If you're in an at will employment state, like in NY, you can leave the business at any time for any reason, legitimate or not.
Once you cut ties, you cut ties and that's that. But the employer still has to keep the business running, vendors happy, customers happy, and provide a service or good.
The plot thickens...
I can guarantee you that your name and infos are being spread out right now to everyone in power he knows. Thats how the it world works
Your story will be told and retold again for years.
Have you ever actually had a job in IT? You would know that managers and bosses are swarmed with work and things to do.
The entire staff is always overloaded, thats just how it goes. The comments from the secretary were in line with what goes on in the industry.
Your sense of entitlement is hilarious and has cost you a 70k a year job.
I dont think you are fit for this industry
Your story will be told and retold again for years.
Have you ever actually had a job in IT? You would know that managers and bosses are swarmed with work and things to do.
The entire staff is always overloaded, thats just how it goes. The comments from the secretary were in line with what goes on in the industry.
Your sense of entitlement is hilarious and has cost you a 70k a year job.
I dont think you are fit for this industry
Again, for what? To show context that the OP fucked up? How would you feel if I start building up a context for you to paint you anyway I see fit?
We don't know if the receptionist even told the manager that OP had finished early.
It's true that respect goes both ways and the employee shouldn't let the boss do as he pleases.
But in this case nobody was disrespectful, he was waiting for awhile sure but, according to the OP, he didn't ask why was the delay or anything. Waiting a little wouldn't hurt.
He is selling himself to the company and he needs them more that they need him so a little sacrifice would be appropriate.
If the boss insulted him or something I would understand but that wasn't the case. He was just busy or a little late.
But in this case nobody was disrespectful, he was waiting for awhile sure but, according to the OP, he didn't ask why was the delay or anything. Waiting a little wouldn't hurt.
He is selling himself to the company and he needs them more that they need him so a little sacrifice would be appropriate.
If the boss insulted him or something I would understand but that wasn't the case. He was just busy or a little late.
Well clearly you made a mistake but I also think they should have been more clear about this. But at the end of the day fault lies with you are the one in need of a job
Just use this as a learning experience and move forward mate
Best of wishes for your job hunt and I hope you find one soon
Just use this as a learning experience and move forward mate
Best of wishes for your job hunt and I hope you find one soonsonikokaruto
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I mean, you should have at least asked "do i have to wait a little bit?" or maybe just asked anything?
Also it's really cool how you are ignoring everyone who says you're the one who fucked up. Patience is a Skill, and bosses like skills.
Also it's really cool how you are ignoring everyone who says you're the one who fucked up. Patience is a Skill, and bosses like skills.
David Incorporated Esq.
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I bet it's because you're not a douchebag. I have a feeling that's it.
He recognizes that 70k for a shit job isn't a recipe for happiness?
Thacker, you definitely could've played that better (it's been said before but I'll say it again: ask what's up instead of just leaving without a word). But I can totally understand how you could've gotten a bad vibe from what happened and bailed. If you're managing alright without a job (and can continue doing so for the next six months to a year), don't be afraid to turn down an offer you don't want. 70k can buy you a lot of video games, but they won't do you much good if you're working too late/too burnt out when you come home to play them.
This thread is full of bile, and I hope you don't let it get you down.
My takeaway lesson would be this:
Be a bit more patient. It sounds like the boss gave off a decent first impression in the email/phone stuff, but dropped the ball in person. Give the next one a couple more strikes before you decline. At the very least you should've stuck around for the interview practice, even if you were 100% confident you wouldn't want to take the job.
To that end, maybe bring a book or something next time.
terrisus
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Are you kidding? People do that with my threads and posts all the time.
Yes, to show context that the OP fucked up.
NullPointer
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Desperation does change things, and it affects employers as well when looking for certain skillsets in a compressed time frame. I've been there myself on both sides of the equation.
What bugs me about this thread isn't even the specific details, but the skewed relationship between employer and employee people seem to accept as normal. Desperation I can understand, but at any time where you do have an honest choice to make you should seek out an equal relationship between peers, otherwise you're just inviting someone to get over on you.
And that labor can quit for a better opportunity. There is risk and investment on both sides.
He said the process starts at 3 and you're given time to do the paperwork. The time he was waiting was time the manager considered part of the interview. He scheduled his day around talking to him at ~3:45.
Are you kidding? People do that with my threads and posts all the time.
Yeah for stupid msg board antics, not shit about peoples personal lives to use for attacking him.
ab.aeterno
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Just because you didn't spend a couple hours doing didn't make the action or it's intent less weird and kinda gross.
It's funny because I already knew that was the impetus behind this.
evil solrac v3.0
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well that's you. but the boss wasn't being rude. and you have no idea why those guys left the company. that's wild and unsubstantiated speculation on your part.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Yeah we do, Thacker said that she handed the paperwork directly to the guy.
But herp derp it wasn't time to talk to him yet so he couldn't be bothered to say hello.
Of course he was being rude, that's like the definition of being rude. And yes that's a wild and unsubstantiated speculation but people don't jump ship like that unless there are problems with the company.
Consider that the employer assumed that thatcher would take 30-45minutes to fill out paper work, and booked that time to catch up on work/phonecalls. Yeah it would have been great had he had better etiquette, but this is nothing - I've seen much worse than this from genuinely good people who just... you know, don't know exactly how to handle these situations. I'm surprised the email reply was as passive as it was. Just the fact that he was at least somewhat cordial and replied to the email tells me that the dude isn't some monster - I don't know why you seem to be painting him as such.
QuicheFontaine
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The only passive-aggressive shit is the OP. I think suddenly getting up and walking out without explanation, and without making any enquiry about the nature of the delay or when he might be seen, is like a textbook example of being passive aggressive. Plus his haughty and self-important email after the fact.
teruterubozu
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edit: ah sorry, read the update, nvm
OJdaKiller
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You'll be waiting longer than 45 minutes in the line at the food shelf.
But seriously, it was dumb...Unless you don't really need a job and instead just want a job. You could have seen it through and then decided what you wanted to do after you were to receive an offer for employment.
Learn from it and keep in mind why you work.
But seriously, it was dumb...Unless you don't really need a job and instead just want a job. You could have seen it through and then decided what you wanted to do after you were to receive an offer for employment.
Learn from it and keep in mind why you work.
Huh?
lol, off-topic, but I love your avatar
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Why didnt he tell him that when he set up the interview lol
Anyway, most of the blame is on Thacker at this point, obviously. But I don't think he's specifically wrong for feeling like he was ignored and walking out. It takes balls or maybe a lot of stupidity to tell the guy off in the email after as well, and I think there's a bit of malice against Thacker that isn't deserved in that he doesn't think he should be treated like shit = entitlement. Which isn't correct at all.
The employer set this situation up, Thacker just didnt play it out with tact.
At Dave Inc. everyone is happy and always on time.
ShockingAlberto
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I love the fanfiction that's being written here.
Clients are even harsher masters than bosses. They never know what they want, change their minds constantly, and you have no one running interference for you. It certainly requires more than 45 minutes of patience.
Dreams-Visions
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You're trying too hard here, I think.
All Thacker had to do was speak to someone to inform the interviewer that his paperwork was finished. Perhaps the interviewer didn't realize all of his paperwork and mini-exam had been completed so quickly (maybe most usually take a little bit longer). So many questions that are addressed with just a little bit of *communication* from either party...but moreso from Thacker who wasn't clear on what was going on and wanted/needed more information to feel better.
I agree that the interviewer could have communicated much better and maybe the receptionist could have mentioned it along the way. Or maybe Thacker could have sat his ass there a few more minutes and done the interview.
At this point, I'm sure that company feels like they dodged a fuckin bullet. Last thing anyone wants in the employ is a man who -- when faced with a lack of information -- is prone to create a scenario in his imagination, play it out in his imagination, then act on it in reality...instead of simply communicating and getting the information he needs.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
This will follow you around GAF forever and ever. Time to burn this account and start over fresh.
BurnOutBrighter
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You dun goofed, mate.
Even at my dentist they schedule appointments 15 minutes before you actually see the dentist so they can do the admin stuff like contact detail changes, any medical things they should know about etc.
You didn't even have to show any humility. All you needed to be was curious enough to ask the receptionist what was going on.
Best thing you can do now is get back on the job hunt and not let this happen ever again.
Even at my dentist they schedule appointments 15 minutes before you actually see the dentist so they can do the admin stuff like contact detail changes, any medical things they should know about etc.
You didn't even have to show any humility. All you needed to be was curious enough to ask the receptionist what was going on.
Best thing you can do now is get back on the job hunt and not let this happen ever again.
Telephoto999
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I knew something was odd when I got contacted the morning after he posted the job. Honestly, any company in a hurry to hire like that is in a bind.... and is always short staffed. It's obvious that the two techs left without explanation otherwise this job would have been posted for two weeks, not waiting until the day the techs walked out to start the interview process.
Okay, but you seem to be gloating about OP's situation and advocating for him to be permanently unemployed.
Another important skill the OP needs to practice is admitting a mistake. The worst employees are those that never admit making mistakes or worse tries to ignore or hide them.
Whatever helps you sleep at night man...
terrisus
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"stupid msg board antics?"
Message boards are part of real life. This isn't some fantasy land.
And, while I don't believe it's happened here, I've been shit on from other message boards about the fact that I had cancer and a stroke.
People on message boards say and do stuff. It happens.
Alright?
ShockingAlberto
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Moreover, job interviewers aren't liable if they didn't explain every single thing to you. Your duty is to do what they tell you, go above and beyond, and then do the next thing they tell you to do.
BattleMonkey
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Ive interviewed a bunch this year so far for our office, and many had to wait. Why? Because sometimes shit happens, I get busy, and the business is priority. If I have to take care of a customer or work issue, it gets priority over someone for an interview.
What? People jump ship all the time, especially in software. They get better offers, they decide to start their own business, they struck it rich with their side business... fuck, tons of reasons.
That people suddenly leave jobs isn't an indication that the work environment is toxic or that the boss is a dick, what a pessimistic view point. Assume better of people, and you'll probably have better relationships with people. I don't know about you particularly, but you know, Thatcher could have probably benefited from an attitude like that.
David Incorporated Esq.
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People don't leave professional positions unannounced unless there's a problem and they say "fuck it" or are trying to hide that they're leaving, otherwise they give everyone notice. I've seen people leave suddenly from contractors I've worked with and it's always followed by some nasty shit coming out, like a division closing down or the lynch-pin executive leaving the company.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
It's okay, don't worry about him. He thinks its okay for people to work a 40 hour job that doesn't pay enough to feed you
DoktorEvil
Banned
I don't understand, why are you defending him?
So you didn't also think of how you could use that information to your advantage?
Maybe better benefits? Working at home 1 day a week?
Maybe a bump in salary to compensate for longer hours?
I don't know about you... but I don't think of GAF as part of my real life.
I'm not, I'm just not really into the lynch party that's sprung up. He fucked up, shit happens, you move on with life. You don't wish for him to never find a job again, wtf.
What I don't understand is you say you have 8+ years of IT experience at 27, but the past 8 years of your life and career has been compromised by your record. Were you in IT during that time? These details and your emphasis on certs are making me suspicious.
You really should have stayed.
Shit happens. I've been on job interview panels here at work before. There are times when everything goes more/less on time. There's been other times due to circumstances beyond our control we've run anywhere from 15-30 minutes late. We do apologize, though.
Shit happens. I've been on job interview panels here at work before. There are times when everything goes more/less on time. There's been other times due to circumstances beyond our control we've run anywhere from 15-30 minutes late. We do apologize, though.
Altered Juice
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so about when you have a doctor's appointment....
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