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[KHarvey16]

Why didnt he tell him that when he set to the interview lol

Anyway, most of the blame is on Thacker at this point, obviously. But I don't think he's specifically wrong for feeling like he was ignored and walking out. It takes balls or maybe a lot of stupidity to tell the guy off in the email after as well, and I think there's a bit of malice against Thacker that isn't deserved in that he doesn't think he should be treated like shit = entitlement. Which isn't correct at all.

The employer set this situation up, Thacker just didnt play it out with tact.

If your sense of pride and self respect hinges on 45 minutes of your time life is going to be very difficult. If your time spent on this earth is so devoid of having taken real opportunities to stand up for what's right, I guess dying on that hill might seem worth blowing a job opportunity. But that isn't something to strive for.

This ridiculous narrative of there being a choice to roll over and take it like a door mat or stand up for the little guy needs to stop. This wasn't David vs Goliath in a battle for the dignity of the working class, for crying out loud.

 

[Effnine]

I knew something was odd when I got contacted the morning after he posted the job. Honestly, any company in a hurry to hire like that is in a bind.... and is always short staffed. It's obvious that the two techs left without explanation otherwise this job would have been posted for two weeks, not waiting until the day the techs walked out to start the interview process.

So what is your point? Are you still trying to justify the fact you messed this up? You do understand you were in the wrong in this case, right?

 

[terrisus]

I don't know about you... but I don't think of GAF as part of my real life.

Well, hey, if I'm just imaginary to you, I guess none of this really matters then.
And, heck, if GAF isn't part of real life, none of this should matter for the OP's real life either.

 

[Mariolee]

I think the reason GAF is more aggressive about this than supportive is because Thacker didn't seem to learn anything from this. He fucked up but believes he's justified when he is not. His attitude and thinking needs to change if he really wants to get a job.

 

[Gucci Messiah]

You sure do have a hard on to hate on me for some reason... here... and on other forums I've seen you post regarding me. Would you like to clear this up over PM?

Thanks.

"You want to take this out back?"

Lol calm down dude, you fucked up so people are going to call you out. Should have just waited like a normal person in need of work, you're unemployed, you obviously had nothing else going on all day.

 

[Jeff Albertson]

I can't actually believe someone who genuinely wanted a job would do that.

Have you ever had a job before? It seems you may not be cut out for it if you are so sensitive.

I work for a big organisation and last year my team was dissolved and we were told to find another role within the company or take 9 months pay and leave.

I wanted a change of path so applied for a job in a totally different part of the business, somehow I got through the paper sift and the manager invited me to London to interview, he finally arranged it about 3 weeks later and I Interviewed in November and finally found out I got the job in January. A couple of times in that process I rang him to see where we were and had a chat and he explained the hold ups. The wait was frustrating and I could have took other jobs but the boss had said in the interview he was famously disorganised and I knew it may take him time to get round to sorting things.

You aren't always going to be the priority all the time and you have to accept that.

 

[Kinitari]

I knew something was odd when I got contacted the morning after he posted the job. Honestly, any company in a hurry to hire like that is in a bind.... and is always short staffed. It's obvious that the two techs left without explanation otherwise this job would have been posted for two weeks, not waiting until the day the techs walked out to start the interview process.

You're making excuses, and you are absolutely allowed to, but I really think you're setting yourself up for more failure in the future. I know it's hard to own your mistakes but fucking own this one or it will end up owning you.

I got a response from my boss within 3 hours of applying for my job. It's a great job. My boss is not really awesome at etiquette, but he's a great boss. Stop assuming that you dodged a bullet and realize that the company is thinking right now, that they dodged a bullet, and in my opinion if you walk away from a sure thing like this and the company, any company, feels relielf? I think you're doing something fundamentally wrong.

 

[KHarvey16]

People don't leave professional positions unannounced unless there's a problem and they say "fuck it" or are trying to hide that they're leaving, otherwise they give everyone notice. I've seen people leave suddenly from contractors I've worked with and it's always followed by some nasty shit coming out, like a division closing down or the lynch-pin executive leaving the company.

People leave all kinds of jobs all the time for a million different reasons. With absolutely no knowledge of anything regarding this company there is absolutely no reasonable justification for your assumption.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Ive interviewed a bunch this year so far for our office, and many had to wait. Why? Because sometimes shit happens, I get busy, and the business is priority. If I have to take care of a customer or work issue, it gets priority over someone for an interview.

When they're waiting do you just leave them to sit in the lobby for an indeterminate amount of time?

What? People jump ship all the time, especially in software. They get better offers, they decide to start their own business, they struck it rich with their side business... fuck, tons of reasons.

That people suddenly leave jobs isn't an indication that the work environment is toxic or that the boss is a dick, what a pessimistic view point. Assume better of people, and you'll probably have better relationships with people. I don't know about you particularly, but you know, Thatcher could have probably benefited from an attitude like that.

There's a difference between leaving and someone just not showing up anymore. Thacker makes it sound like it was pretty unexpected, and people don't leave professional positions like that unless there's an issue. A two weeks notice is pretty damn standard and if anyone thinks it's okay to not do that then they don't know what they're talking about.

 

[cheststrongwell]

Well, hey, if I'm just imaginary to you, I guess none of this really matters then.
And, heck, if GAF isn't part of real life, none of this should matter for the OP's real life either.

Would Crono try to ruin a man's life?

 

[DarkFlow]

Well, hey, if I'm just imaginary to you, I guess none of this really matters then.
And, heck, if GAF isn't part of real life, none of this should matter for the OP's real life either.

Truthfully, you're just a Chrono Trigger Avatar to me, I don't know you, I will never meet you. You're just one of thousands to shoot the shit with when I'm bored.

 

[Telephoto999]

"You want to take this out back?"

Lol calm down dude, you fucked up so people are going to call you out. Should have just waited like a normal person in need of work, you're unemployed, you obviously had nothing else going on all day.

No, that guy posted some very hateful things on the Diablo 3 forums regarding me that would have easily got him permabanned here on Neogaf. I would just like to clarify his issues with me through a private line of communication rather than continuing to shit in every thread I make asking for legit life advice.

 

[michaelius]

Even if the interview was at 3, I got there at 2:45 and still had not spoken with the owner by 3:45 while I heard him make multiple phone calls and give various directions to two of his current techs?

Well yes that's how bussiness works - if you are interviewed by one of managers/directors/owner they have tons of things to do and some things cannot wait.

It's normal situation and I have seen it happen in my company plenty of times. Altrough we always apologise and offer person waiting something to drink in the meantime.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


edit:


"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, xxxx said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"

Your goof is so unfathomably bad that I just can't wrap my head around it.

 

[Sanic]

If anything, it's interesting seeing the different viewpoints being brought up in this thread. People should share their industry/role before discussing if the op screwed up or not.

 

[Effnine]

There's a difference between leaving and someone just not showing up anymore. Thacker makes it sound like it was pretty unexpected, and people don't leave professional positions like that unless there's an issue. A two weeks notice is pretty damn standard and if anyone thinks it's okay to not do that then they don't know what they're talking about.

Come on man, not everything is always so black and white ... you're making a lot of wild assumptions in this thread ...

 

[davepoobond]

If your sense of pride and self respect hinges on 45 minutes of your time life is going to be very difficult. If your time spent on this earth is so devoid of having taken real opportunities to stand up for what's right, I guess dying on that hill might seem worth blowing a job opportunity. But that isn't something to strive for.

This ridiculous narrative of there being a choice to roll over and take it like a door mat or stand up for the little guy needs to stop. This wasn't David vs Goliath in a battle for the dignity of the working class, for crying out loud.

And I agree completely. Having a set of ideals and knowing when to relax them to get ahead is what separates successful people from sabotaging themselves as is the case here.

From what other threads people are bringing up and the tidbits about his past I think that he has more issues than just being unemployed, so he's not exactly on the same playing field as most of the people in this thread.

 

[DoktorEvil]

I'm not, I'm just not really into the lynch party that's sprung up. He fucked up, shit happens, you move on with life. You don't wish for him to never find a job again, wtf.

Not at all. Why would I want someone to do that to themselves?

He just took time away from an interview in which he may or may not have had a job offer to drive home and create a thread on GAF detailing the whole thing.

He also created a thread a few days ago complaining about the low pay offered by big retailer Target.

If he's soliciting sympathy from the crowd, he's not going to get it.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Yeah we do, Thacker said that she handed the paperwork directly to the guy.

But herp derp it wasn't time to talk to him yet so he couldn't be bothered to say hello


Of course he was being rude, that's like the definition of being rude. And yes that's a wild and unsubstantiated speculation but people don't jump ship like that unless there are problems with the company.

no it isn't. it really isn't.
people jump ship for lots of reasons. you have none of the facts so it's pointless to speculate how good of a company it is based on just that.
maybe in your perfect little world you always hit the green light, the subway is just there waiting for you, everyone is on time and nothing goes wrong. but if they make you wait at fortune 500 companies they will make you wait at a small place.

 

[terrisus]

Would Crono try to ruin a man's life?

If you believe the events of Chrono Cross, he did.

Spoiler

Chrono Cross didn't exist. Everyone lived happily ever after, and no one can convince me otherwise.

Truthfully, you're just a Chrono Trigger Avatar to me, I don't know you, I will never met you. You're just one of thousands to shoot the shit with when I'm bored.

Then why wouldn't I be the same thing to the OP? If I'm just a Chrono Trigger avatar, and "just one of thousands to shoot the shit with when [he's] bored," then nothing I'm saying should be a big deal.

 

[one_kill]

If anything, it's interesting seeing the different viewpoints being brought up in this thread. People should share their industry/role before discussing if the op screwed up or not.

Why? What would it achieve?

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

It's normal situation and I have seen it happen in my company plenty of times. Altrough we always apologise and offer person waiting something to drink in the meantime.

Well of course you would because it'd be rude not to. I would have asked what was up before leaving had I been in Thacker's spot but I definitely would have been approaching my disrespect limit.

 

[Tesseract]

so about when you have a doctor's appointment....

they may waste our lives, but they'll never waste our freedom !

 

[Telephoto999]

You're making excuses, and you are absolutely allowed to, but I really think you're setting yourself up for more failure in the future. I know it's hard to own your mistakes but fucking own this one or it will end up owning you.

I got a response from my boss within 3 hours of applying for my job. It's a great job. My boss is not really awesome at etiquette, but he's a great boss. Stop assuming that you dodged a bullet and realize that the company is thinking right now, that they dodged a bullet, and in my opinion if you walk away from a sure thing like this and the company, any company, feels relielf? I think you're doing something fundamentally wrong.

I am just trying to show that I already had red flags and a bad feeling in my gut when I went up there to begin with. Then the actual experience soured me in a way and my previous feelings were "validated" which lead me to act how I did. No one is too busy to shake someones hand and tell them they are running behind. You can read the mans email back to me and get a good gauge of the type of person he is. I know people are looking at this like I am totally the problem... but if you look at the things he said and did you'll understand a lot better the situation I was put in.
I don't think I was totally right, but I don't think I was totally wrong either. It was the job of the receptionist to inform me of the interview process, yes.

 

[Cloud Strife]

I probably would have waited, but at the same time I would've been pissed off.

Work is work, if it sucks then you can always keep looking, but if you need the cashola then dive in.

 

[Kyou]

I love the fanfiction that's being written here.

The interviewer peered through the one way mirror, a twisted smile forming on his gnarled face. "Yes..." he said, watching our valiant hero, "Wait just a bit more... more..." His sneer echoed through the dim halls. "I scheduled this for three," he continued to himself, "But I... I SHALL MAKE YOU WAIT UPWARDS OF AN HOUR YOU FOOL!" He threw his head backwards and laughed a laugh so dark and vile it curled the veneer on the window panes.

 

[DarkFlow]

Not at all. Why would I want someone to do that to themselves?

He just took time away from an interview in which he may or may not have had a job offer to drive home and create a thread on GAF detailing the whole thing.

He also created a thread a few days ago complaining about the low pay offered by big retailer Target.

If he's soliciting sympathy from the crowd, he's not going to get it.

Oh I know you did not say stuff like that, I was speaking in general. A few posters seem to delight in the fact he might have fucked himself over in a whole area because of this, and that's fucked up.

 

[Aselith]

so about when you have a doctor's appointment....

I've always gotten in essentially immediately when I go to the doctor.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

And yes that's a wild and unsubstantiated speculation but people don't jump ship like that unless there are problems with the company.

Reasons people quit jobs that have nothing to do with problems at a company:

1.) They want a new career path

2.) A new job opportunity is paying them more money, more flexible hours, work from home or whatever a given employee may deem valuable

3.) Better job stability

4.) Personal injury

5.) Family matters

6.) Better career trajectory/opportunities to move up

7.) They want to work in a different industry or type of role not offered at their current employer

8.) They want to start their own company

9.) Some other time commitment has come up


And probably several others. Point is, it's not always a matter of problems at the company. It certainly can be, but it's most certainly not always.

 

[Ferrio]

I am just trying to show that I already had red flags and a bad feeling in my gut when I went up there to begin with. Then the actual experience soured me in a way and my previous feelings were "validated" which lead me to act how I did. No one is too busy to shake someones hand and tell them they are running behind. You can read the mans email back to me and get a good gauge of the type of person he is. I know people are looking at this like I am totally the problem... but if you look at the things he said and did you'll understand a lot better the situation I was put in.
I don't think I was totally right, but I don't think I was totally wrong either. It was the job of the receptionist to inform me of the interview process, yes.

No you were totally wrong... that's the thing we're trying to get through to you.

 

[Altered Juice]

Good luck in your job search

 

[xxracerxx]

I am just trying to show that I already had red flags and a bad feeling in my gut when I went up there to begin with. Then the actual experience soured me in a way and my previous feelings were "validated" which lead me to act how I did. No one is too busy to shake someones hand and tell them they are running behind. You can read the mans email back to me and get a good gauge of the type of person he is. I know people are looking at this like I am totally the problem... but if you look at the things he said and did you'll understand a lot better the situation I was put in.
I don't think I was totally right, but I don't think I was totally wrong either. It was the job of the receptionist to inform me of the interview process, yes.

But was it worth it for the possible reputation that could be spread to other IT places? It is always better to act professional than it is to act on your gut.

 

[Telephoto999]

Well yes that's how bussiness works - if you are interviewed by one of managers/directors/owner they have tons of things to do and some things cannot wait.

It's normal situation and I have seen it happen in my company plenty of times. Altrough we always apologise and offer person waiting something to drink in the meantime.

I honestly feel the receptionist just didn't have time for this. She didn't offer coffee or water, but I could tell she was extremely behind what she was needing to do which is why I didn't really want to interrupt her to find out what the deal was.

 

[DarkFlow]

If you believe the events of Chrono Cross, he did.

Spoiler

Chrono Cross didn't exist. Everyone lived happily ever after, and no one can convince me otherwise.

Then why wouldn't I be the same thing to the OP? If I'm just a Chrono Trigger avatar, and "just one of thousands to shoot the shit with when [he's] bored," then nothing I'm saying should be a big deal.

If you don't understand by now what point I'm trying to make, then there's really no point keeping this going. Good luck in your RL GAF posting endeavors.

 

[Cloud Strife]

The interviewer peered through the one way mirror, a twisted smile forming on his gnarled face. "Yes..." he said, watching our valiant hero, "Wait just a bit more... more..." His sneer echoed through the dim halls. "I scheduled this for three," he continued to himself, "But I... I SHALL MAKE YOU WAIT UPWARDS OF AN HOUR YOU FOOL!" He threw his head backwards and laughed a laugh so dark and vile it curled the veneer on the window panes.

 

[Ferrio]

I honestly feel the receptionist just didn't have time for this. She didn't offer coffee or water, but I could tell she was extremely behind what she was needing to do which is why I didn't really want to interrupt her to find out what the deal was.

You're just trolling now right?

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Come on man, not everything is always so black and white ... you're making a lot of wild assumptions in this thread ...

I'm really not. I've never seen someone leave a company without warning unless something was going down, otherwise there's always a few weeks notice and hell, a good-bye party.

That's what professionals do, this isn't burger king where it's cool to quit by just not showing up for a few days in a row.

no it isn't. it really isn't.
people jump ship for lots of reasons. you have none of the facts so it's pointless to speculate how good of a company it is based on just that.
maybe in your perfect little world you always hit the green light, the subway is just there waiting for you, everyone is on time and nothing goes wrong. but if they make you wait at fortune 500 companies they will make you wait at a small place.

Again, big difference between leaving a company professionally and just not coming in, which is what sounds like what happened. Am I making assumptions that something is off at the company based on that? Yeah I am, but that sort of thing is a gigantic red flag to me.

 

[Kinitari]

There's a difference between leaving and someone just not showing up anymore. Thacker makes it sound like it was pretty unexpected, and people don't leave professional positions like that unless there's an issue. A two weeks notice is pretty damn standard and if anyone thinks it's okay to not do that then they don't know what they're talking about.

Nah, you're still assuming. You're even assuming they didn't provide a two week notice - maybe they did but it was still too sudden for the company? But let's say they did both leave suddenly - I could provide a dozen legitimate reasons for why they would, and a dozen terrible reasons for why they would - and yeah on top of that they could have left because it was a bad environment too.

But assuming -any one- of those scenarios and basing important life altering decisions off of them is ridiculous. I could have assumed they left because they were being racially discriminated against, and then called up a lawyer on the spot without any more information.

That's analogous to the sort of the leaps you and Thatcher are making off of frankly, next to no information. At the very least, calling a lawyer unnecessarily doesn't cost me 70k.

 

[traveler]

I'll say it again since this is still being construed as a choice between leaving with pride, or staying with desperation- you can go through the whole interview process AND turn down the job. Stay, see what they have to say, then make the call whether that's acceptable or not, if they even get to an offer- which might not have even happened anyway. Then you can decide if they were unprofessional in their dealings and if that's enough of a red flag that you don't want to work for them. You'll have the added benefit of having behaved professionally, made sure you weren't operating on faulty presumptions, and having not burned bridges. Hell, we might have even applauded you for handling it all like that and still having the backbone to turn down a needed job. The real issue here isn't that you killed the position; it's that you did so with incomplete information and totally burned the bridge.

Yeah we do, Thacker said that she handed the paperwork directly to the guy.

But herp derp it wasn't time to talk to him yet so he couldn't be bothered to say hello.



Of course he was being rude, that's like the definition of being rude. And yes that's a wild and unsubstantiated speculation but people don't jump ship like that unless there are problems with the company.

He gave him time for the paperwork. He can't magically change preexisting appointments because Thacker finished early. He could have been, and even sounds like he was, dealing with several preexisting obligations. Thacker was penciled in at 3:45 and that's when he was going to get to him. I don't expect interviews to change their schedules because I finish early and I don't think that's a healthy or even professional expectation to have.

 

[mrkgoo]

Probably stated, but it's likely pointless to go back after he walked out. Unless they are extremely desperate, OP would've shown a side of unprofessionality that they wouldn't appreciate.

But you know, at least they did contact him to give him a chance.

 

[xxracerxx]

I honestly feel the receptionist just didn't have time for this. She didn't offer coffee or water, but I could tell she was extremely behind what she was needing to do which is why I didn't really want to interrupt her to find out what the deal was.

Then why were you making small talk with her? This doesn't line up now.

 

[weemadarthur]

Well of course you would because it'd be rude not to. I would have asked what was up before leaving had I been in Thacker's spot but I definitely would have been approaching my disrespect limit.

So how would your disrespect limit feel when told your face to face meeting was at 3:45 and the interviewer was actually on time for it?

 

[one_kill]

I am just trying to show that I already had red flags and a bad feeling in my gut when I went up there to begin with. Then the actual experience soured me in a way and my previous feelings were "validated" which lead me to act how I did. No one is too busy to shake someones hand and tell them they are running behind. You can read the mans email back to me and get a good gauge of the type of person he is. I know people are looking at this like I am totally the problem... but if you look at the things he said and did you'll understand a lot better the situation I was put in.
I don't think I was totally right, but I don't think I was totally wrong either. It was the job of the receptionist to inform me of the interview process, yes.

Sometimes people are too busy. Sometimes they just have a lot going on.

Why do you feel so entitled? If the receptionist didn't tell you the interview process, why couldn't you find out by asking him/her?

The email was professional, what's wrong with it?

I honestly feel the receptionist just didn't have time for this. She didn't offer coffee or water, but I could tell she was extremely behind what she was needing to do which is why I didn't really want to interrupt her to find out what the deal was.

WTF

Who do you think you are?

 

[bobawesome]

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


edit:


"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, xxxx said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"

I think we all learned an important lesson today.

 

[Schrade]

Holy crap, Thacker. That was a really bad move :-/ If that person who was going to interview you starts to spread that whole experience around you may find it extremely difficult to get a job in that field.

When you show up to an interview you better be prepared to wait as long as it takes or mention to the receptionist that you have another appointment coming up. She will make the interviewer aware of that as best she can.

What you did was extremely unprofessional and the E-mail afterwards is about as bad as Microsoft taking a shit on its users with the Xbone and its policies a year ago.

I hope you can learn from this and recover but please, whatever you do, learn to lose that chip on your shoulder when it comes to job seeking.

 

[Telephoto999]

Then why were you making small talk with her? This doesn't line up now.

I made small talk the first 15 minutes I was there, I kept quiet the rest of the time after I saw how rushed she was.

 

[NullPointer]

A few posters seem to delight in the fact he might have fucked himself over in a whole area because of this, and that's fucked up.

Not to mention using social networks like high school harpies.

If that's "the IT world" than good riddance.

 

[cheststrongwell]

I honestly feel the receptionist just didn't have time for this. She didn't offer coffee or water, but I could tell she was extremely behind what she was needing to do which is why I didn't really want to interrupt her to find out what the deal was.

What the fuck is this shit?

 

[Effnine]

I am just trying to show that I already had red flags and a bad feeling in my gut when I went up there to begin with. Then the actual experience soured me in a way and my previous feelings were "validated" which lead me to act how I did. No one is too busy to shake someones hand and tell them they are running behind. You can read the mans email back to me and get a good gauge of the type of person he is. I know people are looking at this like I am totally the problem... but if you look at the things he said and did you'll understand a lot better the situation I was put in.
I don't think I was totally right, but I don't think I was totally wrong either. It was the job of the receptionist to inform me of the interview process, yes.

You are there fighting to get a job ... If you seriously haven't learned from this, then how do you ever expect to find and keep a job?

 

[xxracerxx]

I made small talk the first 15 minutes I was there, I kept quiet the rest of the time after I saw how rushed she was.

That isn't what you wrote in the OP:

I completed this by 3 and turned it back into the receptionist and began making small talk. At 3:05 I heard the owner come out of his office and finalize his interview with another candidate. The candidate then left and I sat waiting in the front area. At 3:15 the owner came out of his office and directed 2 of his technicians to follow up on an issue they were working on previously. At 3:20 I heard him start a phone call. At 3:30 he hung up. At 3:35 he began another phone call.

During this time I continued to make small talk with the receptionist. I asked the question "Do you know if this position is an expansion or if I would be replacing a position?". She stated that unfortunately they had two techs leave late the previous week unexpectedly and that he was looking to hire multiple people.

How about this question:

But was it worth it for the possible reputation that could be spread to other IT places? It is always better to act professional than it is to act on your gut.