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[Vyrance]

Did you have something pressing you needed to do that you couldn't want until he was able to interview you? Do you really need a job? Yea he could have dropped you a line or two about how they were busy at the time and he would be with you when he could, but I do not understand why you would leave, especially if you do need a job.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Yeah, I don't think the receptionist joking about it being a tough place to work should be interpreted as a red flag. Plenty of employees do that. Especially in smaller companies where things tend to be more informal.

 

[CrankyJay]

Thacker, pride is a motherfucker.

 

[jooey]

Divorced of Thacker's stupidity (holy shit at that email why even say anything!?!?), I'd be gone by 25. Someone may need a job and swallow their pride, but even the shit-shovelingest grunt should expect a little decency in return.

But again, you're not making a great case here.

 

[nomster]

Maybe he expected that filling out the formal app and the little test would take 30-40 minutes.

 

[Stet]

 

[Red]

Thacker, we can only wish you luck.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Are customers similarly entitled? Or does this standard only apply to job seekers? Why?

Because I'm also certain that showing up for an interview 45 minutes late would be hailed as a bad thing too.

Seems like unearned respect for the 'job creators' while forgetting that employment is a two way street. If your boss is not your peer you're fucking up imho.

But you're not the customer in a job interview. You're the seller. An interview is a sales pitch for why that company should buy your labor. If you can't do that by exemplifying why you're unprofessional (showing up 45 minutes late, leaving before the interview), then why should they need your services? If you decide you don't need their money, then you're placing a (very undue) sense of pride over financial solvency and that's totally your choice to not have a job.

If you're a customer and it's normal business hours, how fucking dumb would it be for the clerk to tell you to hurry up and get to the counter or they're not going to take your money?

 

[NullPointer]

The OP controls how he presents himself. He handled each stage of this poorly. There's nothing to stop that employer from telling everyone else he networks with to avoid this guy now do to his unprofessional attitude and impatience.

Demonstrating that you're a loyal hardworker requires that you be working hard for someone.

I notice you didn't answer my question. What signals was the employer sending? And why is it all on the job candidate?

The sense I'm getting is that people should count themselves lucky to get the beneficence of the job creators bestowed upon them, rather than understanding employment as a contract between equals.

But you're not the customer in a job interview. You're the seller. An interview is a sales pitch for why that company should buy your labor.

The employer is also making a pitch that its a worthwhile enterprise to get involved in. Its a two way street and I don't see why the employer gets a free pass to do whatever.

 

[Brakke]

The owner is more professional than Thacker. The owner has a profession.

 

[No Love]

LMFAO. God damn. This image needs to be somehow included in Thacker's inevitable shame-tag.

I love this shit

 

[DoktorEvil]

I notice you didn't answer my question. What signals was the employer sending? And why is it all on the job candidate?

The sense I'm getting is that people should count themselves lucky to get the beneficence of the job creators bestowed upon them, rather than understanding employment as a contract between equals.

Its on the job candidate because they're not equals?

Who's providing the capital? the resources? the sales? the ability to even have a job to perform?

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Amazing.

 

[Devolution]

I'd like my question answered but I think Thacker ran away.

 

[CrankyJay]

Thacker, imagine he tells his colleagues around town what you did. The world is smaller than you think.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

The employer is also making a pitch that its a worthwhile enterprise to get involved in. Its a two way street and I don't see why the employer gets a free pass to do whatever.

Well, you don't see that because your view on it is misaligned with reality and romanticizes a view of an employer/employee relationship that doesn't exist, especially for entry-level positions.

 

[Himi]

He probably spent more time writing this thread than he spent waiting for this interview. He had to get home to post on gaf.

 

[NullPointer]

Its on the job candidate because they're not equals?

Who's providing the capital? the resources? the sales? the ability to even have a job to perform?

Who is providing the damn labor? It is between equals.

If you want to put your boss on a pedestal and let him get away with being an ass that's on you, but it seems like shit advice to me.

 

[Telephoto999]

So question.



Do you make these threads earnestly or this ^.

I am not trolling. I honestly just wanted GAF's advice. It's fine if you don't agree with what I did, but personal attacks are taking it a bit far guys.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I'd like my question answered but I think Thacker ran away.

Give it time.

If we follow the meltdown cycle, he'll return with a fired up attitude and a can-do spirit that he will not at all apply to his life.

 

[Vandiger]

Wow, OP. I'm at a loss for words here.

 

[Yawnier]

If I really needed a job that badly and things went good in the phone interview I would have been willing to sit there all damn afternoon, but perhaps I'm just really patient lol.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Maybe he expected that filling out the formal app and the little test would take 30-40 minutes.

This is likely. He probably had things scheduled while he waited for him to finish the written portion. I wonder, between 2:45 and 3:47, at what time did he hand in the papers. 15 minutes after he received them? 20? Also, perhaps the papers were being evaluated in the time between him handing it in and before the interview actually commenced, for the sake of relevancy.

But you know, I'd have to really care for rational thinking to arrive at this conclusion.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I am not trolling. I honestly just wanted GAF's advice. It's fine if you don't agree with what I did, but personal attacks are taking it a bit far guys.

I'm gonna give Lionel a heads-up if he doesn't already know.

Cause he needs to know.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Give it time.

If we follow the meltdown cycle, he'll return with a fired up attitude and a can-do spirit that he will not at all apply to his life.

Though Devo's apparently well within her rights to e-mail Thacker calling him an idiot if he doesn't answer soon.

 

[Devolution]

I am not trolling. I honestly just wanted GAF's advice. It's fine if you don't agree with what I did, but personal attacks are taking it a bit far guys.

Have you heard of the boy who cried wolf?

I could make that same email and send it to myself. Blot out the names to make it look authentic.

 

[Telephoto999]

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


edit:


"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, xxxx said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"

 

[subrock]

Not that I would have acted the same, but I think there were some serious warning signs that the OP described, so he's probably better off not working there. 2 engineers unexpectedly quitting and an inconsiderate boss, OPs life there probably would have sucked.

If you have technical ability, start working for yourself. Get clients and make websites or something. There is LOTS of work out there for technical people that aren't afraid to work with their own clients.

 

[Kinitari]

Thacker, that sounds like complete self-sabotage.

I've read your other thread(s?) regarding employment, and from what I remember you've been looking for a while, as well as fighting that misdemeanour so that you could actually be employed.

You know you had a good opportunity here. You very much had a good chance at getting that job, but you blew it because of what... pride?

Being proud is one thing, but letting pride get in your way is another. This was the latter - if it was even that. I can't help but feel like you fucked yourself, on some level, on purpose. You know you're going to get blackballed now, you know you don't have a lot of other opportunities available to you, even if you weren't blackballed... why are you driving this shit home more and more? Why send that ridiculous email?

Sit down for a second and think, really think, what good did I just do myself? I can't think of anything you could take away from this encounter that you should be proud of. If you had patiently sat there, and graciously accepted your potential employers apology for being rude and holding you up (which he very much might have done had you given him the opportunity to), that would be something to be proud of. If you had overcome your self-sabotage and found a way to patch up the situation, that would have been something to be proud of - because that would mean that you would be walking away a better person, an employed person and a happy person.

Now what do you have? You need to learn what the value of pride is, and more importantly never let it control you. But before that, you need to make sure you're not doing all this because you just don't want to see yourself succeed, because honestly I can't imagine you did all this without being aware on some level how much you were fucking up. I mean... you made this thread right? You knew when you did.

edit: Fuck, if you had just taken the interview, and then just graciously turned down his offer if you got a good feel about how shitty the place is to work, THAT would make sense. But instead what you did was the equivalent of folding before a flop, while you were big blind. It would have cost you nothing to see that flop, but you just threw in your cards and walked away, and now you don't know.

edit2: read his reply, and I seriously hope you take that as a wake up call. Look at what your misplaced pride did for you here. Had you just -asked- about the wait, you would have been in a better place.

 

[Zoe]

Maybe he expected that filling out the formal app and the little test would take 30-40 minutes.

That was my thought. Considering he got there 15 minutes early made matters even worse.

 

[LilJoka]

I would of waited, got the job, then decided if i wanted to work with such a company or boss.

 

[Delta Assault]

I'd like my question answered but I think Thacker ran away.

The man's time is precious. He can only dole out so much here and there.

 

[Red]

Next time you set up an interview, try establishing a time frame beforehand, and don't go over. You could avoid this situation in the future.

 

[weemadarthur]

When you are invited to an interview at 3, they are leaving you a 30-60 minute window for applications and tests.

There is no way the owner expected to see you before 3:30, meaning you only waited 15 minutes past your scheduled time. Or left 15 minutes early (!) and you don't know which due to not asking.

15 minutes is nothing. Readjust expectations.

 

[Keysersoze]

Not surprising this is the same guy that beat his gf and cried on gaf about not finding a job because of it.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


edit:


"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, Nicole said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"

ouch

 

[Randolph Freelander]

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


edit:


"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, Nicole said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"

He posted 100% truth. You goofed.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Alarm bells.

or they were busy.

This.

I can't "afford" it... but at the same time I honestly don't want to take a position I know I would immediately be looking to bail on anyway. The first red flag was when she said two techs had left the previous week unannounced. This was a small company of 8 people and the position paid very well, stated salaries up to the mid 70k depending on experience. While I never asked about the delay some other red flags came up such as the receptionist stating how overworked she felt and how her role actually handles.

It felt like a really sketchy situation with how rushed the hiring process was to begin with... but then for this to happen it just made me want to bail out.

it's a tiny company, of course they are overworked.

Even if the interview was at 3, I got there at 2:45 and still had not spoken with the owner by 3:45 while I heard him make multiple phone calls and give various directions to two of his current techs?

that should tell you they are very busy.

He was aware I was sitting there. I could plain as day hear his conversation on the phone, just as I am sure he could hear my conversation with the receptionist. Also when I first got there she notified him I was there and brought me the paperwork and questionnaire he wanted me to answer and then personally took it to him and dropped it off.

I actually sent an email to him the moment I got home and nuked any opportunity I had with him from orbit... but I don't really feel bad about it. I do appreciate all of GAF's input and I enjoy getting differing perspectives on the situation. I will use it on my next interview.

what did the E-Mail say?

Assuming OP's account is accurate then 45 minutes is an unreasonable amount of time to make someone wait with no explanation. You don't simply let people take advantage of you because you need a job. I don't agree with this pro-grovelling attitude a lot of people have in this thread.

The most reasonable post in the thread. You win again akira

at my current job that I am at now for 7 years and counting, I was sitting in front of the person doing the interview. IN FRONT of them, and he didn't acknowledge me for 11 minutes. I counted. that's not including making me wait for another 15-20 minutes in the reception area. he was an awful manager but in spite of him(he was fired three years ago) it has been a great seven years working here. sometimes you have to take your lumps.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


edit:


"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, Nicole said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"

Confirmed: You are a moron.

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

Did you have something pressing you needed to do that you couldn't want until he was able to interview you? Do you really need a job? Yea he could have dropped you a line or two about how they were busy at the time and he would be with you when he could, but I do not understand why you would leave, especially if you do need a job.

Yeah, I don't think the receptionist joking about it being a tough place to work should be interpreted as a red flag. Plenty of employees do that. Especially in smaller companies where things tend to be more informal.

The reality is the manager could be the nicest boss in the world, and he was pressed for time due to an unforeseen emergency or deadline or employee problem (like, you know, losing a couple of quality workers in a short timespan). OP will never know, because he felt his hours of time he could have spent doing other things than work were wasted.

Edit: that email upgrades this thread to legendary status. Holy shit OP. Holy shit.

 

[terrisus]

Maybe he expected that filling out the formal app and the little test would take 30-40 minutes.

This is likely. He probably had things scheduled while he waited for him to finish the written portion. I wonder, between 2:45 and 3:47, at what time did he hand in the papers. 15 minutes after he received them? 20? Also, perhaps the papers were being evaluated in the time between him handing it in and before the interview actually commenced, for the sake of relevancy.

But you know, I'd have to really care for rational thinking to arrive at this conclusion.

Oh, hey, what do you know...

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


edit:


"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

Surprise surprise...

 

[Kanguro]

Other things OP will walk the fuck out on because he's not just going to sit there and wait for other people and get disrespected without so much as a handshake:

- Line at homeless shelter during a blizzard in New York
- Appointment for open heart surgery
- International flight
- Jury deliberation
- DMV
- Line to get into Superbowl
- Kid's dentist appointment
- Own wedding
- Kid taking a shit at the mall
- Meeting with Obummer

I'm sure there's more...

 

[xxracerxx]

Things people told you here

Well done.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


edit:


"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, Nicole said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"

welp

 

[jmood88]

This is what get's me. It's like part of GAF is proud of laying down and being a doormat. I've dealt with extreme shit the past 8 years of my life due to the misdemeanor that was on my record. (It was my fault, I did it... I deserved to be punished but it was extremely overboard the money and damage to my career it caused)

However... I am also a very loyal, dedicated and hard working individual. I do not wish to eat shit. I feel as if I can have a good, mutually beneficial relationship with an employer. One that doesn't start with huge red flags regarding my employment there.

It has nothing to do with being a doormat and everything to do with being smart. You didn't take the time to figure out why the guy was running late, you just sat there and talked to the receptionist, then left. That makes no sense whatsoever by itself but it is especially nonsensical for a guy who has been complaining about not being able to find a job to do something like that. No one should have to tap dance for employers but you made a lot of assumptions and didn't even take the time to see if they had any merit.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Shit, I've waited longer for doctors appointments lol

 

[terrisus]

Confirmed: You are a moron.

 

[ab.aeterno]

Yes.
Completely.

Especially considering many of your posts in your thread aboutwhy can't Target pay their employees more.
Not to mention about difficulties finding a job.

I guess you also now have a new candidate for your "Most embarrassing job interview" thread.

This comes across as really weirdly petty.

 

[Foffy]

He just replied guys

Hold on and I'll post a transcript.


edit:


"xxxx,

I was not running behind.

You simply do not understand our interview process and because of that you walked out on your interview before we got a chance to speak to you.

I did not expect, nor did I tell you that I would start talking to you at 3p. I expected you would arrive at 3p to start our interview process and you would stay until we finished.

We allow 30-45 minutes for the paperwork to be done before interviewing candidates.

It's great that you came in early and finished your paperwork quickly, but that did not change when we were expecting to bring you back for your in person interview.

It's disappointing and unprofessional that you chose to leave your interview early. When I came out to get you, Nicole said you just walked out.

Perhaps next time you should ask about the process before making so many assumptions and leaving in the middle of your interview in a huff.

Thanks for the feedback and for coming in.

Good luck in your job search,"

Take this to heart. Please...

 

[Just_myles]

Op,OP,OOP,

You wait no matter what. You should have sucked it up because you needed the job. I have been in that same situation some years ago. Trust me, I know but, ou have to wait this kind of stuff out.. people get busy. It's just business, don't take it personal. Good luck to you.

Next time, just wait, and don't be afraid to ask questions to the administrator(receptionist).