A woman president would be new, Hillary Clinton is not.

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Her campaign slipped and told the truth a few months ago: young women take where we are for granted.

Go back just a few decades, and we were debating the constitutionality of contraception bans, for chrissakes.

They've come of age in a time where the culture wars have begun to swing decisively, so they don't have fond memories of the Christian Coalition, or Anita Bryant, Ralph Reed, Focus on the Family, etc..

Yeah it's hard to convey how much this means to the generation of women that fought for women's rights. Just like how I couldn't have possibly understood how much it mean to my parents,grandparents, and greatgrandparents when Obama was elected
 
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Who was that "good looking Republican"? Because I don't think it was in this field. Take Trump out and you've still got:

  • Ted
  • Carly
  • Carson
  • Rubio
  • Christie
  • Paul
  • Jeb
  • Rand
  • Huckabee
  • Kasich

This field fucking sucked. Who's coming in 2020?

Paul Ryan.

And honestly while Kasich isn't good-looking, he actually had a pretty good shot of beating her if he had been nominated.
 
Yes, the article saying it's been pretty much the same thing for 9 years shows that while it's exciting to have a first BLANK president, in the case of Obama the first multi-racial african-american identifying president, in the possible case of Clinton, first female president, it's been going on too long.

Having her as the first just isn't exciting.

Not that pics for such an important positions should be done on hype, but still... it's kinda of a meh-pick to many at this point.

Carson could have been our first real black president, amirite :(

To be fair, she doesn't really inspire much does she? I mean yeah it'd be great for the US to break that gender barrier, but Hillary just sounds like more of the same old same old you guys have had for years. She's 100% establishment.

How did you look at that picture and then immediately write this post in response? You could not have missed the point any more spectacularly.
 
This is exactly how my wife feels. She's 36, self identifies as a feminist and loves the idea of a female president, just not Clinton. As she says it, shes tired of having Bush's and Clinton's in office. She's going to vote for her anyway, because of Trump. As am I, but neither of us are happy about it.

Also her dad cheated on her mom so i think there's definitely an element of how can Hillary stay with Bill after his cheating bs.
 
My main concern when voting for a country's leader would be "would they do a good job" as opposed to "is it an exciting and daring pick".
 
Her campaign slipped and told the truth a few months ago: young women take where we are for granted.

Go back just a few decades, and we were debating the constitutionality of contraception bans, for chrissakes. And a segment of the GOP base keeps that hope alive. I'm sure the Santorums out there would still love to see Griswold overturned.

They've come of age in a time where the culture wars have begun to swing decisively, so they don't have fond memories of the Christian Coalition, or Anita Bryant, Ralph Reed, Focus on the Family, etc..

Yeah it's hard to convey how much this means to the generation of women that fought for women's rights. Just like how I couldn't have possibly understood how much it mean to my parents,grandparents, and greatgrandparents when Obama was elected
There was an article I can't find where older feminists talk about if not her, then who and when, and voice their concern that they won't live to see another opportunity.
There's also this element:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/2...-office-makes-women-love-hillary-clinton.html
These experience include being in university environments where there are more female than male students, and coming from high schools where girls outperform the boys. Equal treatment of women and men on college campuses remains regulated, albeit imperfectly, by Title IX. Women attend graduate schools in roughly equal or greater numbers than men. College-educated women see only a tiny pay gap in their early- and mid-20s, making 97 cents for every dollar earned by their male colleagues.

That experience starts to change a few more years into the work force. By 35, those same college-educated women are making 15 percent less than their male peers. Women’s earnings peak between ages 35 and 44 and then plateau, while men’s continue to rise.

What starts out as a near 50-50 professional split among new lawyers, for example, becomes a big gap: Women are just 17 percent of equity partners at law firms generally, according to the National Association of Women Lawyers.
The effects of professional gender discrimination increases as women progress.
 
This is exactly how my wife feels. She's 36, self identifies as a feminist and loves the idea of a female president, just not Clinton. As she says it, shes tired of having Bush's and Clinton's in office. She's going to vote for her anyway, because of Trump. As am I, but neither of us are happy about it.

Also her dad cheated on her mom so i think there's definitely an element of how can Hillary stay with Bill after his cheating bs.

I only get some of this sentiment. It's not like Chelsea Clinton is running for President. It's two different people who got married some years ago.

Not a case like Bush where 2 brothers and a father all ran for president and 2 were successful.
 
Well a Trump presidency would be something new since America has never experienced a facist despotism before.

New isn't always the most ideal option.
 
Paul Ryan.

And honestly while Kasich isn't good-looking, he actually had a pretty good shot of beating her if he had been nominated.
Is that really the case though?

Isn't it just the equivalent of "Sanders beats Trump" polls in which if he was actually tested by the other party, he would take quite the tumble.
 
Yep, she clowned them. That was the day I went from being a passive supporter in the face of the awful Republican alternatives to having little doubt she'd be a capable president.

Same for me. I watched most of that farce and she didn't flinch a bit.
 
I mean, she might not have been Senator, then SoS if not for her husband, who has cheated on her repeatedly. Clinton didn't choose to run for senator in her home state of Arkansas, but instead a liberal state.

Wait, what? So is Bill supposed to be a negative or a positive? And for the sake of this argument, say she did, how is that any different from using any networking opportunity any other person might have used to land a job anywhere else? Is Hillary the only candidate in history to not use a personal contact, regardless of who that contact was, to their advantage?
 
She may not be "new", but she's reliable, and progressive in many ways. It's certainly not perfect but this shit's too important to go fucking around with right now.
 
Yeah, it would be a real shame if a highly qualified woman who dedicated her entire life to public service finally broke through the glass ceiling instead of someone super exciting.
 
Is that really the case though?

Isn't it just the equivalent of "Sanders beats Trump" polls in which if he was actually tested by the other party, he would take quite the tumble.

Kasich scared me only in that he was very reasonable and the geography would be helpful to him in OH , PA and VA.
 
Also anyone who thinks that a "revolutionary" female candidate is making it through the political process any time in the next 20 years isn't thinking things through. Clinton or not, our first woman president is not going to be the equivalent of Bernie Sanders. They're just not
 
There's a reason why she got cheated on.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but it's telling that even after 20 years, people are so blinded by Bill Clinton's charm that they put his transgressions at the feet of his wife.

If Bill Clinton were CEO of a fortune 500 company, with a long documented record of sexual harassment, sleeping with his post-grad interns and then having them blacklisted from the industry they work in, he'd be considered a disgusting, mysognistic human trash. Instead, he's ol' Bill, and many progressive people still faun over him and blame his victims for his transgressions, because he was elected president of their favorite political party.
 
To be fair, she doesn't really inspire much does she? I mean yeah it'd be great for the US to break that gender barrier, but Hillary just sounds like more of the same old same old you guys have had for years. She's 100% establishment.

You like large crowds and catchy phrases like lipstick on a bulldog & drill baby drill & edgy anti-establishment like Mavericks.

I think that person has come and gone.

Hillary will be a great president despite her awkwardness in public.
 
I find it incredibly exciting that we are going straight from the first black President to the first female President. Both top of the line politicians too. I'm so happy with the choices we have made.

How ready is the US for it's first gay president?
 
Republicans HATE her. Literally. There's a good deal who would vote for anyone but her because of how much some people demonize her.

Pretty much this
Girl at my job saying she is not a Trump support and tries to justify the dumb things he says by saying everybody says those kinda things (refering to him saying he is not racist he has mexicans working for him). She says she would rather anybody but Hillary be president.
 
They just were part of inventing Democracy... I guess that doesn't really equate to experience.

.. what?
Democracy had been around for literally two thousands of years, and the FF's initial version of democracy was actually a oligocracy, since only landowners over a certain threshold could vote.
 
Her campaign slipped and told the truth a few months ago: young women take where we are for granted.

Go back just a few decades, and we were debating the constitutionality of contraception bans, for chrissakes. And a segment of the GOP base keeps that hope alive. I'm sure the Santorums out there would still love to see Griswold overturned.

They've come of age in a time where the culture wars have begun to swing decisively, so they don't have fond memories of the Christian Coalition, or Anita Bryant, Ralph Reed, Focus on the Family, etc..

This is exactly it. A lot of people, especially young people, have this idea that on some level that since the President now could be a man or woman, that it doesn't really matter that there actually hasn't been a woman yet, because thee're could be.

Equality in concept makes an illusion of equality in actuality.

If that makes sense.
 
I'm not seeing the relevancy in noting Bill's infidelities, here.



God damn.

It's pretty impressive how there's a very strong contingent of people trying to twist the fact that she got cheated on as her fault.
 
This is exactly how my wife feels. She's 36, self identifies as a feminist and loves the idea of a female president, just not Clinton. As she says it, shes tired of having Bush's and Clinton's in office. She's going to vote for her anyway, because of Trump. As am I, but neither of us are happy about it.

Also her dad cheated on her mom so i think there's definitely an element of how can Hillary stay with Bill after his cheating bs.

That's where my wife and I are. She feels pretty much the same way. We'll be voting Clinton because of Trump, more so than Hillary's own merits as a candidate. Although of course she does have merits- when was the last time we had such a qualified presidential candidate?

Oh, and consider this- what Bill did was beyond cheating. It was serial cheating, combined with abuse of power, combined with (accusations of) rape. I'm sure you remember but the 90's were a very different time with regards to these kinds of acts against women. Bill would have been crucified for what he did then under today's standards. Hillary too for trying to discredit, bury, and blame these victims. It's strange to be in a position as a feminist implicitly supporting this stuff, or pretending that these people are champion's of female causes.
 
You win some, you lose some. Just as with men.

If you want an example of an exemplary PM look up Helen Clark from New Zealand.

Yup, Helen Clark will go down as one of the best Prime Minister's New Zealand's ever had. She wasn't an "exciting" choice either, by the way, but she was an excellent leader and got shit done.
 
Although of course she does have merits- when was the last time we had such a qualified presidential candidate?
WTF???

If you truly feel this way you should be jumping up and down in glee at the prospect of voting for her, I just don't get this sentiment. It'd make sense if you didn't feel she was so qualified, but, eh.... I don't get it.


As for the rest, yeah, I don't think Bill's a hero.
 
Also anyone who thinks that a "revolutionary" female candidate is making it through the political process any time in the next 20 years isn't thinking things through. Clinton or not, our first woman president is not going to be the equivalent of Bernie Sanders. They're just not
Elizabeth Warren would have beaten both of them in a primary probably
 
It's pretty impressive how there's a very strong contingent of people trying to twist the fact that she got cheated on as her fault.
I believe the accusation is more that she stayed with him for her own political benefit. Which would make her pretty cold and calculating. (For the record, I don't agree with that assumption.)
 
Elizabeth Warren would have beaten both of them in a primary probably
Not a chance unfortunately.

If being Elizabeth Warren was a sure thing that's who Hillary Clinton would be. Or Bernie'd be doing better. Or so many Democrats wouldn't have lost their seats over Obamacare.
 
Elizabeth Warren would have beaten both of them in a primary probably

I agree. It's also weird how the United States has only had one non-Protestant President. Bernie Sanders is actually the first Jewish politician to ever win a national Primary.

The role of President has been white, heterosexual, protestant males for so many years. These are different times. We're going to continue to see diversity elected. That is unless you are overweight.
 
I'd like some evidence for the first claim.

That Bill and Hilary slept together or that other presidents have not? I mean they have a daughter so they probably most likely did sleep together.

Also while qualifications and experience are great. Obama was young and unknown with a lot less experience than Hillary and that turned out great.
 
That Bill and Hilary slept together or that other presidents have not? I mean they have a daughter so they probably most likely did sleep together.
Other Presidents not having slept together.

Also, Vince Foster is Chelsea's father. Everyone knows that.
 
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