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[Takyon]

This is fucking awful and both of political parties are in on it.
I hope this shit keeps getting leaked and more australians start boycotting all parties that support this system

 

[Weckum]

Fuck all of this, absolutely horrendous. And then to think a lot of people in Europe want Europe to follow the 'Australian model' of solving the refugee crisis. Fuck that.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

Putting money is silent. Protests wake up the nation. Then even more money gets put in. It's not a mutually exclusive thing.

I see what you're saying. But you don't need to beg and shout when you have money.
It's dirty, but it gets results. I'm kind of tired of progressive people having to protest for years and not achieve anything or relative minor progress. Money works better.

 

[timetokill]

Damn, that is some foul, disgusting shit

It seems on some level we'll always be barbarians

 

[Ashtrax]

There are heaps of factors at play which has led Australia to this point, and it's shameful.

Unfortunately, the political landscape is pretty volatile, especially as you look at the current line of senators which we have voted in with the recent elections. I personally think it's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[- J - D -]

These reports needs to spread like wildfire. Major props to the Guardian for getting their hands on them.

 

[Tinfoilhatsron]

Welp, there goes my night.

Fucking hell. Why the fuck does a majority of Austrailians let this slide?? There are barely any of em fighting for basic human rights (like the doctors protesting) Makes me fucking sick.

 

[cptodin]

Holy shit, disgusting.

Will anything be done about this?

 

[Weckum]

Welp, there goes my night.

Fucking hell. Why the fuck does a majority of Austrailians let this slide?? There are barely any of em fighting for basic human rights (like the doctors protesting) Makes me fucking sick.

Because in the end, most people don't give a fuck about refugees. Same thing is happening in Europe, where politicians are actively pushing for using the 'Australian model'.

 

[killer rin]

Welp, there goes my night.

Fucking hell. Why the fuck does a majority of Austrailians let this slide?? There are barely any of em fighting for basic human rights (like the doctors protesting) Makes me fucking sick.

Out of sight, out of mind... the same strategy employed to great effect with homeless people, and it is disgusting

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Putting money is silent. Protests wake up the nation. Then even more money gets put in. It's not a mutually exclusive thing.

If we were so lucky to even have the numbers for a meaningful protests, let alone a well funded war chest.

For fucks sake, this should be a huge story, but everyone's attention in Australia is on the governments botched national census

 

[Laughing Banana]

Because in the end, most people don't give a fuck about refugees. Same thing is happening in Europe, where politicians are actively pushing for using the 'Australian model'.

(((((((

 

[Yagharek]

Australia stole children from indigenous families.
Promised never to repeat it.
Australia stole children from unwed mothers including rape victims and put them in institutions.
Promised never to repeat it.
Australia abused children and wards of the state in all states and this is being uncovered in the current Royal Commission about churches also abusing children.
Promises never to repeat it.
Australia abuses children in prisons with tear gas, strip searches, beatings and restraints.
Promises to investigate it.
Refugees experience all of it to make an example of people smugglers.
Promise to continue it.

Every politician of the Labor, Liberal and National Parties are responsible for this abuse and so is everyone who voted for them and these policies.

 

[Jintor]

Shame.

 

[*Splinter]

Having said that, where are you from and how's your human rights record.

Your priorities here are all fucked up. I don't know how anyone can read the shit in the op and even think "yeah but what about other countries tho #NotAllAustralians"

 

[Yagharek]

Shame.

Have we actually become a fascist state or have we always been one?

 

[Subpar Scrub]

The only thing I expected was for people to not immediately jump at any opportunity to distract attention away from Australia's actions, in a thread about Australia's actions. I'm not asking or expecting you to do a thing other than that.

That's not what my initial post was about, so I have no idea what you're talking about. The first thing that you quoted from me was my confusion at basing one's perception of a country on its worst characteristic.

I didn't distract from anything. I owned up to the fact that the practices in off-shore detention centres is fucked and gave an incredibly (almost to a fault) brief explanation as to why there hasn't been riots over this shit and why the population believes what they're doing is fine.

I will say that title is incredibly abrasive though, and isn't condusive to discussion.

 

[Juicy Bob]

As a naturalised Australian citizen, I feel deeply ashamed.

 

[Veins]

Yeah this is a black mark on Australia's history. But as the other posters have said, it is out of sight, out of mind here a bit unfortunately. It was in the the news a lot for a few years but nothing really happened and it became a huge political points scoring thing (i.e Abbott's stop the boats!!).

 

[The Mule]

You let this happen, Australia.

We know, and we're sorry. Some of us have tried to stop it, but it hasn't been enough in the face of wilful ignorance and lack of empathy. God damn you John Howard and the Liberal party that has followed in your wake.

Have we actually become a fascist state or have we always been one?

We've become one. We used to be far more compassionate and accepting of immigrants and asylum seekers.

 

[daviyoung]

I don't see why you're pretending that Australia is a special snowflake removed from both the internet and the world at large, immune to criticism because no one's perfect.

Hold on a second. You're the one that seemed surprised enough to change their view of a country over this. Talk about seeing Australia as a special snowflake...

 

[BudokaiMR2]

Many of us have been fighting for humane treatment of refugees for years. However, even compared to other human rights causes, this is a particularly lonely battle. Support for the detention of refugees is widespread and crosses the political spectrum.

While we rationally know people aren't pointing specifically at us when making judgments about Australia, we, or at least, I, don't feel particularly supported when people just glance at the headlines and type, "lol, fuck Australia." What we need are avowed allies willing to fight in the trenches, not people happy to make a comment or two about Australia and move on, leaving us in our still lonely battle.

Yeah, it can come off as insensitive which I understand but at the end of the day the silent majority are allowing this to go on.

It's similar in a way to how White America is thrown around. Most people with any semblance of sanity understand that they are talking about the institutional aspect of racism in the U.S. and not directly laying the blame on every single white American.

 

[Log4Girlz]

Australia stole children from indigenous families.
Promised never to repeat it.
Australia stole children from unwed mothers including rape victims and put them in institutions.
Promised never to repeat it.
Australia abused children and wards of the state in all states and this is being uncovered in the current Royal Commission about churches also abusing children.
Promises never to repeat it.
Australia abuses children in prisons with tear gas, strip searches, beatings and restraints.
Promises to investigate it.
Refugees experience all of it to make an example of people smugglers.
Promise to continue it.

Every politician of the Labor, Liberal and National Parties are responsible for this abuse and so is everyone who voted for them and these policies.

Don't worry, a few decades from now you'll get a really great apology speech to everyone who's lives had been ruined

 

[KurtSloane]

I think the treatment is intentionally harsh / fucked up.

If the immigrant camps where nice, people might be happy to get to there.

Now that it sounds like hell, it might be a more useful deterrent .... That seems to be there reckoning anyway.



Australia doesn't want these people, that's not going to change .... and that's the image they want to project.

 

[Cracklox]

But we stopped the boats right guys?



Guys........

Spoiler

Yeah reading this shit doesn't make me feel proud to be Aussie

 

[Chuck Norris]

I'd love to see a John Oliver special on this. The internal media in Australia just gets ignored or rather people just glaze over it after so long. Right now the attitude just seems to be "refugees are bad". "Why? Because they are bad".

Id love to see somebody shine the light on this crap for the rest of the word and make Australia an international embarrassment, if nothing else but to wake Australians up from their slumber

 

[Jintor]

I think the treatment is intentionally harsh / fucked up.

If the immigrant camps where nice, people might be happy to get to there.

Now that it sounds like hell, it might be a more useful deterrent .... That seems to be there reckoning anyway.



Australia doesn't want these people, that's not going to change .... and that's the image they want to project.

the only possible way to deter people from fleeing a warzone into your country is to make your country's treatment of people incoming worse than if they lived in a warzone.

of course the rhetoric is always about skipping the queue (as if there is a queue), boat people, economic migrants. it's fucking shameful. it's disgusting.

 

[Sutton Dagger]

It's a national fucking disgrace, unfortunately it seems like the majority of people support this stuff, fuelled by racist media/politicians....

 

[Weckum]

I advise everyone to also watch this video The Guardian did:

https://www.facebook.com/theguardianaustralia/videos/1092701250764960/

 

[Toxi]

Don't worry, a few decades from now you'll get a really great apology speech to everyone who's lives had been ruined

This is one of the most discouraging and true things I've read on the internet.

 

[Geist-]

I'm feeling physically ill from reading this. This kind of shit is not only something you'd expect to see about refugees in a third world country, some of this feels worse. Levels of abuse that are driving children insane, I mean, holy fuck.

 

[bomma_man]

Have there been wide protests about this? Disruptive protests that get the attention of the nation and shake them out of their apathy (ala Black Lives Matter)? The UN has condemned Australian policies, but conditions haven't improved on the part of Wilson Security or other organisations handling these asylum centers. Australian government is hard on whistleblowers and wants to keep all of this secret. Are there politicians fighting against these horrific abuses?

Australians in this thread said they're trying to fix it, so I'm wondering what is being done to change this. If you honestly can't handle being guilt-tripped about your country, then that's your problem.

No one gives a shit. Labor has been absolutely wedged on the issue - if they look "soft" they will be destroyed in bogan marginal seats and by the right wing media - so there's essentially a bipartisan unity ticke on the issue. The Libs have been ratcheting it up in a fucked up game of chicken to see where the Labor left' breaking point is, but they haven't reached it yet.

As other posters have said there'll be a lovely speech about this in 50 years, but there's absolutely no political will to do anything about it now. It's literally mass torture. But middle Australia could not give less of a fuck, in fact, they openly support it.

 

[EmiPrime]

Fuck immigration detention centres and fuck the dipshit politicians in the UK who think that Australian immigration policy is something to aspire to.

 

[Laughing Banana]

I advise everyone to also watch this video The Guardian did:

https://www.facebook.com/theguardianaustralia/videos/1092701250764960/

But don't look at the comments.

"You should be grateful, you piece of shits!"

(

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Damn Australia, fuck if I ever look at you the same way again

you were not aware that australia is so racist it's willing to piss all over human rights? This is not a new thing, ask the stolen generation

 

[Log4Girlz]

But don't look at the comments.

"You should be grateful, you piece of shits!"

(

They are well fed and have decent lodgings provided by the government. They have meat, bread and other staples.

:/ sorry had to recycle those quotes

 

[Lime]

Every politician responsible for this should be prosecuted.

Offshore detention centers are horrifying and I can't believe there are fucking Europeans and their right signed politicians who are looking towards Australia as an example on how to handle those "immigrants" and "refugees" (from the Middle East)

 

[Nudull]

Humanity at its worst. Jesus Christ.

 

[EatChildren]

One of the most difficult facets of my job is having conversations with clients who are open, proud One Nation / nationalist supporters who blame their employment difficulties largely on "boat people", and seeing how these cycles of hate and blame perpetuate. Some days the feelings of hopelessness are overwhelming.

 

[SomTervo]

Holy fuck.

My girlfriend volunteers at a refugee night shelter in Scotland. The system still treats refugees badly – basically the system is designed to try and forget about them, and let them slip through the cracks, until they disappear - but at least at a volunteer shelter there's some semblance of respect for the people, as humans, and certainly no abuse.

I hope to Anything that our detention centres don't treat refugees like that.

One of the most difficult facets of my job is having conversations with clients who are open, proud One Nation / nationalist supporters who blame their employment difficulties largely on "boat people", and seeing how these cycles of hate and blame perpetuate. Some days the feelings of hopelessness are overwhelming.

Clients, too.

You can't say or do anything.

D':

 

[EmiPrime]

I hope to Anything that our detention centres don't treat refugees like that.

About that...

 

[Jimrpg]

I was not saying Australians, I am saying Australia. Maybe at least acknowledge that?

How about Australian Government then?

People expecting Australia to be a clean politically correct country and an example to the world, this is a good reality check. There are many things we don't know that are hidden beneath the surface.

 

[Jimrpg]

Every politician responsible for this should be prosecuted.

This.

 

[Theonik]

Ah yes Australia. Gotta stop them boats though right?

 

[EatChildren]

Clients, too.

You can't say or do anything.

D':

I do, politely, since I work in employment/welfare services and can leverage the discussion into a somewhat conductive discourse on the state of unemployment in Australia, the diverse cohort of clients attending my site, and what the stats actually show. As upsetting as these people can be they're still people, and I feel I can do more good by building a report and having a friendly, informative discussion with positive re-enforcement through goal setting to hopefully shift perspective.

But every so often I'll strike a gem that just doesn't care and no amount of discussion will change their mind. Immigrants are the enemy, Western society will soon fall like Rome because if immigration, Muslims are a problem, etc etc. That stuff really hurts.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

And politicians see the Australian system as exemplar. Our (austrian) foreign minister even lauded it.

 

[Last_colossi]

So I guess the new cool thing is to hate on Australians for the disgusting unhuman acts that these vile pieces of shit have commited behind 99.9% of the populations backs.

you were not aware that australia is so racist it's willing to piss all over human rights? This is not a new thing, ask the stolen generation

Don't categorize a whole country based on a couple racist shit bags that got into a position of power, remember the 20/80 ratio.

 

[Laughing Banana]

How about Australian Government then? .

Well I don't know. It seems like while there are some upstanding people fighting about this, the government that created and allowed such atrocity to flourish are in fact elected and supported by a great many people as well in the Australia.

Or at the very least, a great many people turned a blind eye towards it. Even the Australians in here acknowledged such a thing ("The fight is lonely")

 

[Subpar Scrub]

Well I don't know. It seems like while there are some upstanding people fighting about this, the government that created and allowed such atrocity to flourish are in fact elected and supported by a great many people as well in the Australia.

Or at the very least, a great many people turned a blind eye towards it. Even the Australians in here acknowledged such a thing ("The fight is lonely")

As I said, it's because you'll never see articles like this in australian mainstream media. All of the major news outlets and politicians talk about how the asylum centres are well regulated and are "to ensure we take safe people, who really want asylum and not the ones who want to rob you and just get free housing! They'll take the jobs and tax dollars! Oh no!"

Of course most people just accept that shit and don't research any further. I know I used to, and fuck, I'm one of the more progressive and informed individuals I know in general. At least, now I am.

australia is so racist it's willing to piss all over human rights

How does a land mass be racist, exactly? C'mon, I know you want to be specific here.

 

[Frankfurter]

So I guess the new cool thing is to hate on Australians for the disgusting unhuman acts that these vile pieces of shit have commited behind 99.9% of the populations backs.



Don't categorize a whole country based on a couple racist shit bags that got into a position of power, remember the 20/80 ratio.

So is there some kind of movement from those 99.9% by now? We've had a number of threads about Australia and the refugees on GAF, so surely by now the Australian people should have realized what's going on?