Also, i like the cut of corn's jib, but personally I feel like the client is a neutral and that explains the win condition even without killing roles. Even if the client can't kill, they are effectively scum.
Curiouser and curiouser.
Not sure what that would accomplish. I think we're approaching the time where role claims might be appropriate though. Not yet, but I do feel like now is the time for any counterclaims people might be sitting on.
I'd like to get thought on the neutral killer. It's possible there isn't one and scum just have two kills. But if there is one, who might it be?
Definitely not Scrafty.
Not Ezekiel as we know what he's been up to.
Likely not Star as we have evidence of her block.
Likely not Xam because claiming cop is a ballsy move for a neutral killer.
I can personally be sure it isn't me. Everyone else not a neutral killer should personalize this line with themselves. Scum can add their scum buddies.
That leaves six possible people for town and as little as three for scum. I would expect pro-town voting patterns but without too much initiative. Laying low is probably a safe bet.
Can anyone think of any reasons why any of the remaining six couldn't be a neutral killer?
This is not fully cooked, just spitballing.
Lynch CB. His action is only confirmed D1 when the vig likely used a kill (accounting for two kills if CB is not the neutral killer) and he was supposedly spotted visiting Roy the night he died. If his claim checks out, my bad. This is partially fueled by my never believing this was a town role. If he's a neutral or scum, lynch TheGoddamn.
Xam being immune for N2 could mean
1. Lies made up by CB and perpetuated by TheGoddamn
2. Lies from StarSketch about her target + Lies from Xam about his role
3. Switcher switches Xam and Scrafty + Lies from Xam about his role
4. Other protective role that prevents all night actions without role blocking
Or
Lynch Xam. Half of these scenarios involve him lying about his role. If he checks out we can have more faith in his results. Even if there is a godfather, I agree there are likely at least three targets town still needs to hit.
The idea is that you didn't kill N1. You had one item to give out, which we don't actually know if it does anything as Scrafty said she got no instructions or descriptions with it, to establish some trust before beginning NK's.
Fair enough. Just spitballing, like I said.
An item. Just tossing ideas out so they can be collectively investigated or dismissed. I would have a vote out if I felt really good about anything right now.
Not sure I like this idea of voting on potential godfathers right now when we have likely two more viable targets without a green check. And Xam's feelings on Stanley are pretty meaningless.
If Stanley flips town, we can trust Xam's reads and worry about a godfather if we really have nothing better to do.
It Stanley flips scum then yay. We've pushed MyLo back and have more time to fuck about.
If Squidy flips town we learn... not much. Xam could still be scum. We'll be at potential MyLo tomorrow with an uninformative ML.
If Squidy flips scum, sure, yay. No Godfather and then super yay.
I just want our lynch today to be positively informative no matter the flip. If we ML, it needs to clear targets. If Stan is town, we go into tomorrow with a lot more confidence even if we lose two town in the night again because we gain increased confidence in four town.
Right now, we have:
Leading us to, should Stanley flip town deputy:
Even removing two people from the top of the list as NK's we're still collectively in a better spot and we have 4 claimed power roles to potentially hear back from. CB has one more chance to prove himself. Star can potentially stop a kill. Matt can try and prove himself by following someone else. Not prepared to believe any watcher reports from him.
Stanley imo for reasons above.
If Goddamn flips town, we learn nothing because his tracking results tell us nothing that we hadn't already heard. Confirms Xam's passive block and that you tried to give Roy an item (or killed him)
If Goddamn flips scum, yay.
I think he will flip scum personally but if he doesn't then we don't gain much. Stanley is valuable either way he flips and TheGoddam will probably still be around to lynch the next day.
We have more likely scum targets than we do serial killer. I don't think anyone would disagree it would be better for town to get rid of the serial killer but we have no confirmation on Xam and if we never get any we could just as easily have the serial killer sitting pretty in the cleared town list who have all also happened to claim vanilla town.
Xam doesn't have to be scum cop. He just needs to be scum. Clearing green checks is the easiest thing in the world to fake because no one is going to argue with you in a game where neutrals can't win with town.
If Stanley is innocent I get cleared along with you unless we really want to risk the game on MYLO. Unless we think there are multiple godfathers, hunting green checks is a dangerous road when there are other likely scum targets. My entire argument for Stanley is the benefits of his flip either way so I hope we don't get into anything so silly tomorrow.
Holy shit, I'm glad CB was NK'd. I would have been quite keen on seeing him lynched when we learned his items were all useless, like I had already accused him of.
Please, no one vote until we hear from TheGoddamn about Zeke's target.
One NK is a change of pace, might have an easy day today. Although, this occurred to me right after the last day ended, CB also had a one shot role block to pass out so we still need to be careful. If we had considered it yesterday I think we could have had a pretty solid night plan put together but so it goes.
Or star jailed one of the kill commands.
I am curious to hear Star's target before votes go flying.
I am town as fuck.
I trust you 100% now.
Don't bring up bad memories, it's too early to start drinking.
Confirmed or near confirmed town:
Scrafty
Xam
Xam clears:
RedFalco
Squidyj
Feps
Zubz
Other:
Rage
Matt Attack
If there is a neutral killer, my first thought is that it would not be a godfather. On the other hand, Salva's client mentioned in his role PM easily could be. If there is one in the game, the odds are that Xam has checked them by this point. Also, the scum team know who they are.
The last two nights we have had one kill and have flipped no one that explains the second kills earlier in the game. Star could have done really well with protection/blocking or the kills could just be finished.
So I think an important question for today is: how many non-town do we think are left?
If more than one, Rage and MA should be our next targets. I would be very surprised if there are two godfathers.
If just one, we have six potential targets. 4 of whom are claimed vanilla, one is a proven power role and unlikely gifted with an additional killing power, and the last is a claimed power role that, to me, makes decent sense considering the power of Salva's role but can only be proven with a flip.
So, one or two scum left? 3 flipped. 21 person game.
Also, you accused me of being a godfather yesterday. My logic for you being the safest candidate is something that evolved today. It isn't omgus and your case is weak. The strongest argument for lynching me is going to be my posts right now suggesting you.
And we know town can't win with neutrals from the town win condition.
I knew you'd start trying to go for me FEP, now that I said that I believe MA making the others believe I'm the neutral is your best case to follow.
you guys saw how much FEP/ER/MA were fighting, it seemed pretty likely that the non-town would be there.
Neutral, neutral, neutral...FEP always has neutral on his mind. Why? because he's the neutral. So at the same time he wants the others to hunt for a potential neutral as he's sitting there comfortably. There's way more posts about him talking about the neutral/SK.
But in these he even tries to "spitball" and try to get CB lynched as a neutral because he knows that those gifts may be dangerous. When he isn't able to gain traction he backs off and goes elsewhere. But what happens that night cycle? CB dies. StarSketch blocks TheGoddamn who would've been the only one to perform the Scum night kill and that's why there was only one kill that night. Then he really wants to know StarSketch's target in order to know what happened. If both he and Scum targeted CB or if Scum got blocked and only he killed CB. That way, had Xam not checked TheGoddamn he would've known very clearly that TheGoddamn was Mafia and he would've gone hard on him, thus earning him Town points.
He also tried to lynch you that same day that he tried to lynch CB, Xam. He said that by lynching you we'd know a lot and that a lot of the scenarios in which he came up with you could potentially be lying about your role.
Once neither of those stuck and some called him out for trying to lynch you he decided to move on to Stanley.
He was just putting theories out to see what people actually followed up on.
He tends to use "spitball" so that if his claims aren't agreed by town he can just that he was just spitballing.
He also did this again when he tried to pin it on Zeke with the delayed phone call to Mafia theory. Even Zeke called out FEP for trying to throw any theory and seeing what stuck.
He doesn't kill Zeke on the night before because he knows Zeke will steal his vote, Zeke told him he would(says it on post 2350 which Zeke told us to remember for future reference). FEP needs his vote just in case he's suddenly in peril at least he can use his vote to try and sway things.
Even you, Xam, told us to vote for FEP if you died.(That could be a reason why he didn't kill you that night).
If you guys lynch stanley, and he is innocent, please lynch FEP tomorrow, for my sake.
He says he's inexperienced and yet he uses terms like "mylo" and "omgus" practically all game long.
It may be my inexperience but I tend to think scum would want someone active and trustworthy in front of the town unless god forbid that was supposed to be TWE. I know you can pull it off so I just want to stay on my toes. I guess the null read is really a town read but one which I feel needs vigilance. If you are hiding something about the blackmail, I don't think that's necessarily scummy. Have some theories but there's not anything substantial yet.
As for Xam, maybe null isn't the best way to phrase. I have Corn Burrito as a begrudging town read because his town factor overrides his scum factor but I get feelings both directions. Xam is kind of the same way except the feelings are more balanced.
Fair enough about QB, and that's why I have a null read overall. I need to look more into Drago and Salva. I guess I'm actually leaning a bit scum there but I want to review it.
VOTE: Zubz
There have to be people lying here, and I'd wager that you're one of them. Ezekel has already covered
some of your weird behavior, and your
Dahlia posts are simply impossible for me to read as coincidental- if they are then I'm sorry but you have
the worst luck in the world. Let's not forget
TWE's concern over Crimson's D1 vote against you.
What if Xam isn't a scum cop, but a neutral? This is completely hypothetical, but let's pretend that Xam is a neutral cop who only wins when a town Stanley makes it to the end of the game. He can check for alignment each night, and additionally will be told when he's found Ema (Stanley in this scenario.) Town's win condition requires neutrals to be removed, whereas scum's win condition would allow Stanley to be part of the group of townies left after scum becomes the majority. If scum is aware somehow of the fact that Xam can't win with town, it could explain his survival thus far, as he would have an active interest towards working against town. This would fit somewhat well with AA lore too, as Lana would do anything for Ema, even work with corrupt individuals.
I'm not sure how likely this is though, as not only does it sound like a strange role, but unless checks were in place, scum could simply kill Stanley towards the end and remove both him and Xam at once. There's really little evidence for this scenario, but I figured I'd entertain the possibility anyway since we're on the topic.
I think that's a bad move. As long as we have the ability to make cases against possible scum, I'll probably lean in that direction- and because I believe Zubz is scum, I'd rather lynch him.
If we were hard pressed to make a case against someone on another day, I might think that it would be an okay use of a lynch so it wouldn't be a total crapshoot.
The only (apart from what I've stated about him in the past)case I can make more about Matt Attack is that at one point he also thought we should lynch Xam. But he retracted it afterwards. Plus he didn't want to kill SP because he would rather scum hunt than lynch our potential backup cop to supposedly get more info as FEP did.( FEP didn't care who was getting lynched, he doesn't have a team, as long as he wasn't on the chopping block it was ok for him.) (I personally didn't find the idea of lynching for info, rather than scum hunt, a fond one and I said it in the past.) Plus if he, Matt Attack, was the neutral then he could've just placed his vote right now for FEP after Xam did so, dangling the carrot in front of me to hammer since I had already said that I believed him, but he didn't do so.
I've been far too careful about my voting throughout the game, if this game(or rather, EzekelRAGE) has taught me anything is that sometimes it's okay to be a little gung ho. So this is for you EzekelRAGE:
VOTE: Flatearthpandas
and if you're the neutral, Matt Attack, then GG, you deserve to win since you fooled me(and potentially all of us).
