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After car broke down, Florida church drummer killed by plainclothes cop (Up: Fired)
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Gordon Shumway
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Can't wait until the next thread..it's like clockwork..
SenorArdilla
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Was there anything caught on camera? Guessing no because the cop was in plain-clothing.
This was Corey Jones. Just depressing to read about him. His friends, family and coworkers said he was one of the funniest and most humble guys. That he loved playing the drums, his friend Matthew even said that they were just musicians, they weren't violent. Imagine that, having your car break down, and rather than get help, you are shot and killed.
I cannot imagine being in a situation like that.
He was a good person and was a victim of yet another police crime, RIP...
(Im not even american but seeing this problem so frequently in neogaf breaks my heart)
MarkMclovin
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Did they find a gun?
WTF!? That's one of Benjamin Dixon's close friends!
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMCioqY4zblWt7Uw0E0VTGA
Ben is someone i listen to avidly these days, and it only proves a lot of what he says right. He's way smarter than i am being a prestigious college grad, and it just breaks my heart, this kind of injustice.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMCioqY4zblWt7Uw0E0VTGA
Ben is someone i listen to avidly these days, and it only proves a lot of what he says right. He's way smarter than i am being a prestigious college grad, and it just breaks my heart, this kind of injustice.
kame-sennin
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I'm sure one will be produced.
It's not that implausible really. The problem here is the unmarked police car, and plain clothes cop with his gun drawn, and the victim possibly having a gun. If the cop didn't flash lights or announce himself, I would be fucking scared seeing some dude pull up behind me and start creeping up to my vehicle at 3 am. If he did have a gun, it's completely understandable for him to have it ready to go in a situation like that.
It could be total bullshit too though. Cop thought the car was abandoned, got startled by the guy and shot him. Sadly we'll never know. Police cameras need to be 100% mandatory, this is bullshit.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
As a gun enthusiast and 2nd amendment supporter, and I was broke down on the side of the road at night and someone pulled up behind me, you're damn straight I'm grabbing my firearm. If he was a cop, he should've identified himself.
This is why I laugh my ass off everytime an american friend tells me he or she wants to go to Europe on holidays but he/she is afraid for his/her safety because he/she saw " things " on the news.
America is 100x more dangerous than western Europe and it's not even close.
And yeah I know it depends on the cities/neighbourhoods.
what may be a drumstick in the hands of a regular person, in the hands of a black person it can become any weapon ranging from a knife, to a katana and even advanced black people can turn them into guns, but that takes years of training.
how was the cop supposed to know if he was dealing with someone experienced in the black arts?
They don't call it black magic for nothing.
Hellwarden
Member
You would think/hope they would put out more information at this point.
The longer they go without telling people, the sketchier this looks.
The longer they go without telling people, the sketchier this looks.
I'm guessing the cop approached the car, Corey was probably outside at that point looking at something under the hood, maybe a screw driver or something in his hand. Cop rounds the vehicle, sees a black guy, the coward yells "HANDS!! OH MY GOD HANDS!!" and shoots him. The story will be that this light hearted church band drummer actually hulked out and charged him with whatever the cop could find after shooting him that looks/sounds the most threatening. Paid vacation for cop. Black family and friends destroyed. Rinse and repeat for another such story next week.
Kitschkraft
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He had a gun, LEGALLY, bought it 3 days earlier.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ally-three-days-earlier-when-shot-by-officer/
We don't know much as of yet, and sadly, because this man is dead, we are only going to get the cops story (And you can guarantee they are working around the clock right now to "get our story straight").
My guess? This is probably similar to the ohio case. Guy is walking around legally with a gun, but because he's black, equal protection doesn't apply, and the cop murdered him cold.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ally-three-days-earlier-when-shot-by-officer/
We don't know much as of yet, and sadly, because this man is dead, we are only going to get the cops story (And you can guarantee they are working around the clock right now to "get our story straight").
My guess? This is probably similar to the ohio case. Guy is walking around legally with a gun, but because he's black, equal protection doesn't apply, and the cop murdered him cold.
I can totally see it being a case of a scared cop shooting at the first thing he sees.
Just like the Akai Gurley incident. That case pisses me off so much when I read about.
Anyway, here's the officer, Nouman Raja
I have no idea.
Rest
All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Some thing my mom told me when I was a kid was never to approach a woman who is alone, even if I could tell she needed help. She'd freak out and it would at best be a headache, and at worst would end badly.
Honestly, as a man I'm not too thrilled when someone approaches me at night.
Your first thought would be that someone was there to attack you and not help you?
Oh good job, you can use the search function. Here's a cookie.
No he's not wrong about the first thing, some cops are pretty despicable. But the part where I bolded just sounded absurd. That he respect organized criminal gangs.
Okay.gif control your hyperbole please.
CloverCarr
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Man, what a shitty place to be. My first assumption would be that someone had arrived to help me, not that I was about to engage in a firefight for my life. Must be fucking miserable living like that.
"Watch out! He got a hostage! Shot it before he can!"
thecouncil
Banned
If that someone had a gun drawn as they approached the car? Probably.
Well.... Fuck.
Marauder Shields
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He had a gun, LEGALLY, bought it 3 days earlier.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ally-three-days-earlier-when-shot-by-officer/
We don't know much as of yet, and sadly, because this man is dead, we are only going to get the cops story (And you can guarantee they are working around the clock right now to "get our story straight").
My guess? This is probably similar to the ohio case. Guy is walking around legally with a gun, but because he's black, equal protection doesn't apply, and the cop murdered him cold.
Well him having a gun does explain the officer's side a little more.
Coriolanus
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Are you surprised that the first instinct of people that would carry a weapon around would be fear?
Marauder Shields
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I agree that the officer being in plain clothes and an unmarked vehicle works against him. Just saying that the deceased being armed weighs in the officers favour a little.
How. How does it count for the cop. I am not a friend of the whole US gun issue, but it's legal to carry guns. And being alone in the darkest night with some shadowman approaching that isn't the help ordered it makes sense to be on defense.
lowrider007
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wow being from the UK you guys really don't seem have much faith in your police force do you, I'm not going to defend the Cop but anything could of happened, perhaps he did introduce himself but due to being in plain clothes Mr Jones may of thought it was just a ploy or scam to rob him, maybe he had a bad day, you can't really know who's fault it was 100 percent unfortunately.
Marauder Shields
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Well it explains why the officer may have feared for his safety if the deceased brandished his weapon at him.
I think it's just a messed up situation in general, don't really want to lay blame on anyone.
Big Baybee
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No it doesn't.
lowrider007
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Yes I am genuinely surprised at many Americans attitudes towards their police force yes, I'm sure a majority of Cops do an amazing job.
I'm not trying to defend him, I'm trying to be objective, if defense is a result of that it's not intended, my point was anything could of happened and we can't automatically assume he is guilty, that's a fact.
Big Baybee
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We can't automatically take his word because he is a cop, either. But that's what normally happens.
Or perhaps the drummer was a sowjet vampire spy and about to suck the cop dry to keep him from discovering the stolen nuclear missile plans. The thing is, that I rather give the innocent drummer who was waiting for help the benefit of a doubt than the member of a organisation with a history of killing and injuring innocent black people in differing levels of racism.
Fact is: the drummer wasn't doing anything criminal and now he is dead. Shot by the cop. There is something very very wrong in this chain of thousands and thousands of isolated incidents.
Any officier in america is constabtly on edge because everyone could have a gun thanks to the wretched laws there. It doean't matter if the drummer had a gun, a banana or nothing in the hand, really.
That works both ways. Weirdly enough, only the cop lives to tell his tale.
I'm pretty comfortably to blame the death of an innocent man on the one who shot said man. That this is a moral dilemma for some people is sad beyond words.
Marauder Shields
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I agree it works both ways. I don't blame the deceased for being on edge given the circumstances, just as I don't with the officer. Just an unfortunate situation really.
Diablohead
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fuck sake america just burn all your guns already.
lowrider007
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I think it's all too easy to take the side of seemingly obvious truths in the world, what about those that are hidden in what seems to be guilt? who protects those unfortunate people?
A situation that the cop created.
I don't belive for a second that he followed procedure concerning identifying himself and handling his gun.
So no, equal blame or lack thereof is not a justifiable stance here.
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