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After replaying Mario World, I realized it's not all that. 3, YI and NSMBU are better
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A bad movie that is better than the worst of the original trilogy? Not even close to the same thing.
I agree on Yoshi's Island and NSMBU being better (the latter is extremely underrated, but the NSMB homogenization holds it back). I replayed SMB3 recently and felt like the levels were over before they did anything interesting.
Yoshi's Island and NSMBU are better games, but there's something to be said about the ease of picking up and playing SMW compared to those.
Yoshi's Island and NSMBU are better games, but there's something to be said about the ease of picking up and playing SMW compared to those.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
And about the map, what you said sparks the imagination of any kid that played it. I remember those summer days drawing parts of the map as an enjoyment becuase of how magical they were for me.
The map of 3 is, sinceresly, unimaginative, plain and boring. Some of the new super mario bros games have the same traits of the toad houses and enemies going around, and I found those meh also.
Navigating the map of SMW was an adventure for itself. Even future marios that tired to make something similar (always with concessions) never got to the same heights (becuase of those shitty concessions)
I should like to high five you. *high fives*
Lupin the Third
Member
Look at all the colors! Look at all the weird domed pillars! Look at all the crap at weird angles that doesn't look like anything in particular! 16-bit!!
That's what it feels like.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
NSMBU is the best game in the worst sub-series of a major franchise.
EmCeeGramr
Member
*walks in, drops mic*
Super Mario World's artstyle is the NSMB artstyle of the 16 bit era. Bland pastel colors, ugly highlights, wonky looking sprites.
Super Mario World's artstyle is the NSMB artstyle of the 16 bit era. Bland pastel colors, ugly highlights, wonky looking sprites.
added_time
Member
My first Mario game was Super Mario Bros 1. So I would have equal nostalgia for Mario 3 and World. I personally prefer World but it seems like a pointless debate. Both are timeless classics in my eyes and one being considered better isn't important since they are both excellent.
But Sith is still a bad movie. It doesn't matter if it's the best in that trilogy. While NSMBU is a fantastic game.
Piston Hyundai
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you're supposed to drop the mic after you say something you dummy
EmCeeGramr
Member
yeah but i wanted to grab everyone's attention first, otherwise all everyone remembers is a loud mic feedback noise when it hits the floor
Geno Breaker
Banned
This is true.
J_ToSaveTheDay
Member
SMW was the first Mario game I ever owned and so it does hold a special place in my heart for that reason. However, I do agree that I do find SMB3 and NSMBU superior. I admit, my brother played Yoshi's Island far more than I did when we were kids, and he does adore it, but I never really gave it much time. I have a SNES Classic and maybe I'll check it out in depth that way. NSMBU admittedly took a while to click -- I was extremely lukewarm on it during the WiiU launch, later sold my WiiU to make a bit of extra cash to make my big life-changing move, then rebought a WiiU when I had saved up some cash again -- NSMBU was again one of my first games and I don't regret it one bit, ended up falling in love that second time around.
SMW diminishes each time I replay it. I still think it has the best 2D Mario art style (perhaps shy of YI -- while I didn't play YI much, I do love it's super funky bizarreness and pastel style), but I do think the gameplay gets worse and worse as time goes on for me. All the other 2D Marios feel a lot sharper and tighter.
SMW diminishes each time I replay it. I still think it has the best 2D Mario art style (perhaps shy of YI -- while I didn't play YI much, I do love it's super funky bizarreness and pastel style), but I do think the gameplay gets worse and worse as time goes on for me. All the other 2D Marios feel a lot sharper and tighter.
Vital Tundra
Member
Lets get it straight. World is a good game, a GREAT game. I agree that NSMBU is a better game, as well as 3. People can hate on New U all they want for the visuals (it is absolutely dreadful and incredibly boring) but the actual game design is a beauty. I replay World regularly and its always a fun time. THe visuals for world have always felt strange to me. Comnig off of 3 it felt like they didn't know what they wanted to do with World. I understand World is a launch title but damn does it seem to play it suuuuper safe.
It's not because it looks better or has more details that makes the game better.
It's also strange to compare a game that's has been made many years later with smw. You even could compare it with sm3 or sm1, it just doesn't make sense.
Smw is unique and has allot of surprises included. The sound music and gameplay are just amazing. Mario is everything else beside overrated. It change many things. Also yoshi is included for the first time. It's an amazing game and it earns his place
It's also strange to compare a game that's has been made many years later with smw. You even could compare it with sm3 or sm1, it just doesn't make sense.
Smw is unique and has allot of surprises included. The sound music and gameplay are just amazing. Mario is everything else beside overrated. It change many things. Also yoshi is included for the first time. It's an amazing game and it earns his place
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I think World is a good game, but I think NSMBU is the best 2D Mario game. It has the best controls (and prior to it I was a 3-for-lifer), it has some inventive level design and its the Mario game that feels like it has the most natural learning curve into becoming an acrobatic wunderkind. Triple jumps and wall jumps just elevate how much fun that game is to actually navigate above previous titles
You're 100% right OP.
Let me add that Super Mario World also has one of the worst artstyles in the series, and I'd honestly take the New series' style over it.
Like half the sprites look ugly as sin and are strangely inconsistent, nothing pops, the colours are bland and urgh.
Let me add that Super Mario World also has one of the worst artstyles in the series, and I'd honestly take the New series' style over it.
Like half the sprites look ugly as sin and are strangely inconsistent, nothing pops, the colours are bland and urgh.
3 is superior to World in every way. I always thought world's enemy/aesthetic designs are pretty weak compaired to other games. As for NSMBU I don't know I thought about it and you're probably right but I still think the ds game is the best in the new series(though it's been a while).
Also NSMB2 is legit garbage is fucking despise that one.
Also NSMB2 is legit garbage is fucking despise that one.
Vital Tundra
Member
Lets hope the next 2D Mario pulls all the stops. I want it to look and feel like the next step in 2D Mario.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I gave so much shit over the years to the people who said that some of the New Super Mario Bros. games (especially U, which I played for the first time earlier this year, and it's fantastic) were better than World. I sincerely apologize to all of you. You were right.
Been saying this for years: NSMBU is the best 2D Mario, and it's not close.
THE best. And I say this as someone who adores SMW and SM3.
crimzonflame
Member
- You can use Yoshi in 95% of the levels.
- Cape Mario is the best.
- Cape Mario is the best.
Spiritual_Chaos
Banned
In the "Console wars" book, doesnt it say Sega was happy about how World looked because Sonic would blow it away. Hmm. Or maybe that was just regarding the difference in speed.
Vital Tundra
Member
Okay so now you are talking about something else entirely. Yoshi's Island is one of the goats, as well as DKC2. Its not even fair. But lets stick to the traditional 2D Mario.
Pretty much this.
Man, I would love a New Super Mario Bros. Collection for Switch:
- New Super Mario Bros.
- New Super Mario Bros. 2
- New Super Mario Bros. Wii
- New Super Mario Bros. U
- New Super Luigi U
NSMB and NSMB2 would be brought up to NSMBU graphical quality. If possible, NSMB2 could be made 2-players but if the level design doesn't work for it, that' fine. But NSMB on DS would at least be given a 2-player co-op mode.
I would pay $60 for that.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The art style in U is pretty strong IMO, you just need to kind of forget about the previous New games and your exhaustion with them:
swarley64
Member
There are 96 exits, definitely not 96 levels... certain levels have two exits to find.
I'm a lot like the OP in that I just recently replayed SMW and felt a little underwhelmed. So much of the joy from SMW was the feeling of exploration as you replayed the levels and tried to find all the exits to get that 100% save file. I've done that 3-4 times over the years... I still have fun with it but it's just not the same. And the game is absolutely way too fucking easy.
I haven't replayed SMB3 in forever. I think I should do that soon
Narpas Sword0
Member
5 minutes is still more than 30 seconds. In both SMO and SM64 you have to engage with the actual environments to perform these feats, and at least for the latter you have to be extremely skilled. SM64 gives you options. SMW is literally tapping left over and over again. The cape is so powerful that the sole other option is made worthless. The cape should at least lose its spin that is better than the fireball.
You also forgot 3 other SMB3 power ups (tanooki, P wing, hammer bro), as well as all the overworld power ups (hammer, cloud, music box). Assuming I'm not forgetting any myself.
I just played SMW a few days ago and I had to make a conscious effort not to be flying constantly. You might not know how to fly forever the first time you play, but the default mega-jump you get from sprinting is already way more powerful than SMB3's tail.
PSFan
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Both World and SMB3 are still the best 2D Marios in my book. None of the NSMB games comes anywhere close to them. They are all boring and very samey. Art style has nothing to do with it either.
I'm so sick of NSMB to the point where I never want to play that series again, it's so awful compared to the old 2D Mario games.
I'm so sick of NSMB to the point where I never want to play that series again, it's so awful compared to the old 2D Mario games.
Weltall Zero
Member
This thread is funny because I've always believed SMB3 to be a far superior game to SMW, but replaying them on the SNES Mini makes me appreciate World and believe they are closer than I've always though. Yoshi is quite a fun mechanic, the faster pace is quite appreciated, and looking for secret exits is fun. It's still not as good as SMB3 or YI, but it's still a damn amazing game.
Also NSMBU is an amazing game too. The series has come a long way from the mediocre DS original.
Also NSMBU is an amazing game too. The series has come a long way from the mediocre DS original.
supermetfreud
Member
Oh my god I thought I was alone in this. Ive always thought it was one of the weaker Marios. The levels, the overworld, the art. I do enjoy the music, though.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Mario World's secret exit system and the overall construction of the world map are the best things about it, and the things that I'm frustrated they've never really properly expanded on. The NSMB games have the exits, but not the map to go with it
I could see the argument for 3. I like SMW's backtracking stuff, multiple exits and overworld map, but 3 does have crazier level design.
Can't comment on NSMBU other than the garbage art style, as I haven't played it.
Yoshi's Island though? Doesn't deserve to be uttered in the same sentence as SMW and SMB3.
Can't comment on NSMBU other than the garbage art style, as I haven't played it.
Yoshi's Island though? Doesn't deserve to be uttered in the same sentence as SMW and SMB3.
ButteryPie
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I replayed all 3 of the NES Mario titles about 2 months ago, and can confidently say that when compared to later entries, they're all kind of rough.
1 is fine, but suffers from monotony with entire worlds being repeated with seemingly only slight changes, the "Combat Evolved" effect I guess.
2 is actually pretty great, but is a departure in genre and suffers from some uninteractive or uninteresting level design.
3 is more ambitious but suffers from useless feature bloat and at times horrid level design. I'm also not personally a fan of the shorter levels, but thats just a prefference. The ideas here are better than the execution, which ultimately gets refined in Mario World.
I also don't like the art style. I get the angle, but I feel the NES can't or doesn't make it work.
1 is fine, but suffers from monotony with entire worlds being repeated with seemingly only slight changes, the "Combat Evolved" effect I guess.
2 is actually pretty great, but is a departure in genre and suffers from some uninteractive or uninteresting level design.
3 is more ambitious but suffers from useless feature bloat and at times horrid level design. I'm also not personally a fan of the shorter levels, but thats just a prefference. The ideas here are better than the execution, which ultimately gets refined in Mario World.
I also don't like the art style. I get the angle, but I feel the NES can't or doesn't make it work.
Theslammer
Member
It was my fourth, but you may try again.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Damn OP, you made me think pretty hard. And... Yup, I agree with you, for many of the reasons you listed.
SMW is a sentimental favorite, but (as I've said before) it's actually a regression from SMB3. Yoshi's Island and NSMBU came later, so you would hope/expect those would be better. And they are, in some cases, massively better.
SMW is a sentimental favorite, but (as I've said before) it's actually a regression from SMB3. Yoshi's Island and NSMBU came later, so you would hope/expect those would be better. And they are, in some cases, massively better.
paragonpro
Banned
Thats my experience, hell first game i ever owned and played. But age has shown me that 3 is actually the better game, though world will be special for me as being my first video game
TheSpaceBetween
Member
NSMBU is good, but I actually preferred NSMB Wii- better level design. Where NSMB Wii improved upon NSMB in every possible way, NSMBU was one of the safest sequels I've seen in all my years of gaming.
When you compare a game from 2012 to a game from 1991, of course technical areas like sound and graphics quality will vastly improve. But even so, the music and visuals of Super Mario World are infinitely more pleasing to hear and see than the recycled (for the 4th time) music visuals of NSMB U.
There were absolutely no surprises in NSMBU. It did not deviate at all from what became before it, and I feel like that is why felt like such a dull experience. Couple that with the level design being not even as good as the game that came before it, and you are left with a disappointing game (I understand that one can argue the level design is better than the Wii version).
SMW introduced new concept after new concept following SMB3. Ghost houses, a full world map, Yoshi, new music and aesthetics, alternate exits, Star Road and the Special World, new enemies, longer levels, more involved world gimmicks like Forest of Illusion, etc etc etc.
Other than overall level design (which I can understand for some is the only important part of a platformer, and that's ok), SMBU does not have much going for it.
When you compare a game from 2012 to a game from 1991, of course technical areas like sound and graphics quality will vastly improve. But even so, the music and visuals of Super Mario World are infinitely more pleasing to hear and see than the recycled (for the 4th time) music visuals of NSMB U.
There were absolutely no surprises in NSMBU. It did not deviate at all from what became before it, and I feel like that is why felt like such a dull experience. Couple that with the level design being not even as good as the game that came before it, and you are left with a disappointing game (I understand that one can argue the level design is better than the Wii version).
SMW introduced new concept after new concept following SMB3. Ghost houses, a full world map, Yoshi, new music and aesthetics, alternate exits, Star Road and the Special World, new enemies, longer levels, more involved world gimmicks like Forest of Illusion, etc etc etc.
Other than overall level design (which I can understand for some is the only important part of a platformer, and that's ok), SMBU does not have much going for it.
Spiritual_Chaos
Banned
Why is the OP a "hot take"?